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 Afghanistan - Terry
The intervention of the West (US,UK, NATO etc) into the Islamic world (Middle East, North Africa, etc) has been little short of disastrous. In no way could it be counted a success:

- Iraq successfully removed from Kuwait, but the military stopped well before Baghdad
- Iraq invaded for a second time on the basis of a dodgy dossier
- Aghanistan effectively invaded to get Osama Bin Laden
- Arab Spring encouraged - Libya and Syria become failed states
- Taliban not successfully defeated, Islamic State quiescent now - but for how long

This is not the fault of the military and the guys on the ground who I believe did their best. It is a complete political failure and evidences an absence of any real strategy.

20 years in Afghanistan - and much of the last 10-15 spent trying to set up a decent infrastructure (health, water, sewage, education), training and equipping an Afghan army, setting up political structures.

The Taliban have within a couple of weeks taken back the entire country with scarcely a shot fired or any resistance. I can only come to two conclusions:

- the efforts of the West were woeful and Afghanistan remained a failed state, or
- imposing western values on those with very different cultural expectation was flawedor naive
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