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Thread Author: No FM2R Replies: 137

 No future for the Labour Party? - Terry
The only time I have found rail a worthwhile service is in commuting into centre of large cities or urban areas.

I live in a county town with a population of ~80,000 with a mainline rail station. I am about 1.5 miles from the station - walk is 30 mins, taxi 10 mins, car and park 12 mins. No cost of walking. Taxi is ~£7 each way. Parking depends on length of stay - but say ~£10.

Two journeys I may often take.

The first to a larger city ~ 35 miles distant. At random for travel on 1st June - fare (peak or off peak) is £22 return. Rail time 30mins. Frequency is approx 2 per hour - although the last train goes at 22.40, the next is at 01.00 in the morning. No good for concerts, parties etc.

Total elapsed journey time door to door: home to station 15mins, train 30 mins, station to destination - say 15mins by taxi. Using walk/bus instead of car/taxi adds ~30mins but saves ~£15-20 at each end.

Second journey which would be undertaken fairly frequently to see daughter in north London. Same travel times - fare is £110 return with 2 or 3 changes.

Rail journey time varies between 3 and 4 hours + home to station, and station to daughter. 4-5 hours door to door. Adding in an intermediate stop to sister in Hertfordshire (which we often do) is a complete non-starter in a day. If staying in hotel overnight (which we do occassionally) we then need to factor in transport to/from hotel.

In summary - trip to Exeter - train is 15-45 mins longer than car. Cost of ~7 litres of fuel is ~£9. Even if double to cover servicing tyres etc car costs £18 vs train at £22 + possible parking/taxis at both ends £30-40.

Similar comparison for London trip - door to door journey time is an extra 1-2 hours. Fuel required for 350 mile round trip is ~ £45 (double to £90). Train fare £110 plus possible taxi at each end £30-40 - total £140-150.

For one person the car wins - although on a business trip it would be possible to work on the train. For two or more the train is utterly non-competitive in terms of both time and money - unless you dislike driving and love trains (I don't!).
Last edited by: Terry on Fri 21 May 21 at 01:37
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 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 00:36
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 07:28
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 17 May 21 09:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 14:42
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 14:54
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 15:10
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 17 May 21 15:45
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 15:57
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 15:58
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 17 May 21 21:16
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 23:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 09:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 10:15
 No future for the Labour Party?  Falkirk Bairn 17 May 21 10:19
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 17 May 21 14:03
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 15:06
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 17 May 21 18:22
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 18:40
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 20:19
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 15:41
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 19:16
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 14:50
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 18 May 21 11:20
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 18 May 21 16:56
 No future for the Labour Party?  Stuartli 17 May 21 12:45
 No future for the Labour Party?  R.P. 17 May 21 13:09
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 19:19
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 17 May 21 19:28
 No future for the Labour Party?  Lygonos 18 May 21 07:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 18 May 21 10:57
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 20 May 21 08:45
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 20 May 21 11:55
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 20 May 21 13:05
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 20 May 21 14:09
 No future for the Labour Party..  neiltoo 20 May 21 14:23
 No future for the Labour Part..  Bromptonaut 20 May 21 14:34
 No future for the Labour Par..  legacylad 20 May 21 14:51
 No future for the Labour Par..  No FM2R 20 May 21 17:41
 No future for the Labour Par..  No FM2R 20 May 21 17:42
 No future for the Labour Party..  No FM2R 20 May 21 17:40
 No future for the Labour Part..  sooty123 20 May 21 18:18
 No future for the Labour Par..  No FM2R 20 May 21 19:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 20 May 21 17:00
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Terry 21 May 21 01:32
 No future for the Labour Part..  No FM2R 21 May 21 02:26
 No future for the Labour Par..  legacylad 21 May 21 07:30
 No future for the Labour Pa..  smokie 21 May 21 09:02
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 21 May 21 09:37
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 21 May 21 11:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  legacylad 22 May 21 09:07
  
 No future for the Labour Part..  Bromptonaut 21 May 21 11:49
 No future for the Labour Par..  sooty123 22 May 21 07:57
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Bromptonaut 22 May 21 08:54
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 22 May 21 09:13
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 22 May 21 20:07
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 22 May 21 20:31
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 23 May 21 08:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 23 May 21 16:46
 No future for the Labour Party?  commerdriver 23 May 21 17:41
 No future for the Labour Party?  neiltoo 23 May 21 18:00
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 23 May 21 18:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 23 May 21 18:39
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 23 May 21 18:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 23 May 21 22:08
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 24 Sep 21 07:59
 No future for the Labour Party?  PeterS 24 Sep 21 08:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 24 Sep 21 08:40
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 24 Sep 21 09:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  smokie 24 Sep 21 09:31
 No future for the Labour Party..  sooty123 24 Sep 21 11:21
 No future for the Labour Party..  legacylad 24 Sep 21 12:02
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 24 Sep 21 15:16
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 24 Sep 21 21:28
 No future for the Labour Party..  Kevin 24 Sep 21 22:15
 No future for the Labour Part..  Robin O'Reliant 25 Sep 21 14:02
 No future for the Labour Par..  Bromptonaut 25 Sep 21 14:28
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Terry 26 Sep 21 00:45
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 26 Sep 21 08:44
  
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Bromptonaut 26 Sep 21 09:31
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 26 Sep 21 12:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 26 Sep 21 12:13
  
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Kevin 26 Sep 21 13:52
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 26 Sep 21 20:44
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 26 Sep 21 22:05
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 26 Sep 21 22:22
 No future for the Labour Party?  bathtub tom 26 Sep 21 22:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 26 Sep 21 23:21
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 27 Sep 21 07:03
 No future for the Labour Party?  PeterS 27 Sep 21 08:00
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 27 Sep 21 08:57
 No future for the Labour Party?  Dog 27 Sep 21 11:44
 No future for the Labour Party?  bathtub tom 27 Sep 21 09:31
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 27 Sep 21 10:07
 No future for the Labour Party?  martin aston 27 Sep 21 12:06
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 27 Sep 21 13:11
 No future for the Labour Party..  Terry 27 Sep 21 13:59
 No future for the Labour Part..  bathtub tom 27 Sep 21 14:23
 No future for the Labour Part..  Bromptonaut 27 Sep 21 14:30
 No future for the Labour Par..  sooty123 27 Sep 21 15:06
 No future for the Labour Par..  Robin O'Reliant 27 Sep 21 15:15
 No future for the Labour Pa..  sooty123 27 Sep 21 16:57
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 29 Oct 21 11:17
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 29 Oct 21 11:22
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 29 Oct 21 11:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 29 Oct 21 11:31
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 29 Oct 21 13:59
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 29 Oct 21 14:31
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 29 Oct 21 17:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 29 Oct 21 18:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 29 Oct 21 18:55
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 30 Oct 21 14:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 30 Oct 21 14:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 30 Oct 21 18:11
 No future for the Labour Party..  Manatee 30 Oct 21 18:54
 No future for the Labour Party..  Bromptonaut 30 Oct 21 21:59
 No future for the Labour Part..  PeterS 30 Oct 21 22:29
 No future for the Labour Par..  Bromptonaut 30 Oct 21 23:09
 No future for the Labour Party?  smokie 29 Oct 21 19:33
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 29 Oct 21 20:21
 No future for the Labour Party?  Kevin 29 Oct 21 21:49
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Bromptonaut 27 Sep 21 18:24
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 27 Sep 21 18:29
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 27 Sep 21 20:51
 No future for the Labour Party?  DeeW 28 Sep 21 09:27
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 27 Sep 21 22:37
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 28 Sep 21 09:53
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 28 Sep 21 10:05
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 28 Sep 21 17:29
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 28 Sep 21 19:03
 No future for the Labour Par..  PeterS 27 Sep 21 16:58
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Lygonos 27 Sep 21 17:06
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 27 Sep 21 22:15
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 27 Sep 21 22:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  PeterS 28 Sep 21 23:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  Lygonos 29 Sep 21 00:06
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 29 Sep 21 09:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 29 Sep 21 16:36
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