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Thread Author: No FM2R Replies: 137

 No future for the Labour Party? - Bromptonaut
<< "Labour, as currently constituted, cannot win a majority. Its structures are too ungainly, its
>> nostrums
>> >> too old, its activists too angry, its mood too sour. In Britain, as in
>> any
>> >> country, there is a chunk of the electorate in the market for a Left-of-centre
>> party.
>> >> But the language of picket lines is as foreign to that electorate as the
>> language
>> >> of “defund the police”."


How much if that is true and how much the talk of a right wing brexiteer Tory? He, FWIW, is public school>Oxford and, being an MEP before he was 30, has little experience of real life. MAybe a bit of journalism on the Telegraph. The reference to picket lines and defunding the police* does not reflect the reality of Labour policy.

There's a generation of voters out there who would need a picket line explaining to them.

The need for, but lack of support of a Social Democratic party is not unique to the UK. France has the same issue.

It was initially appealing after 2017 to think 'one more heave' and we could have the Tories out. Then, presented with the open goal of Johnson eviscerating his majority, the rest of the commons couldn't make it work and hold his feet to the fire.

As of course his strategists had bet.

Dragging the left of the party kicking and screaming to the concept that they need a majority to achieve anything is going to be hard work.

I'd imagine that when Starmer stood for the leadership he had a two year plan to reform the party and create a vision, as Blair did. He's been blown off course by the pandemic and now needs to get a grip and get back on the road. Loss of Hartlepool was probably inevitable given the Brexit Party got 25% last time and picking a fight with Angela Rayner, who appeals to both wings of the party, was just stupid.

They retained all their Mayors and won the new one in West Yorks convincingly. Why there and not in Tees Valley or the West Midlands which should be natural Labour territory?

*Defunding police/prisons could mean transferring resources to treatment and rehabilitation.

How much money is spaffed up catching people in small time drug related offending and imprisoning them? On discharge after a few weeks they're on the streets trying to get their benefits restored with next to no help. The DWP has a dedicated line but it's no good if you're released at court kicking out time on Friday after a sentence already served on remand.

 Messages Author Date
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 00:36
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 07:28
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 17 May 21 09:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 14:42
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 14:54
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 15:10
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 17 May 21 15:45
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 15:57
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 15:58
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 17 May 21 21:16
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 23:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 09:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 10:15
 No future for the Labour Party?  Falkirk Bairn 17 May 21 10:19
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 17 May 21 14:03
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 15:06
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 17 May 21 18:22
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 18:40
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 17 May 21 20:19
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 17 May 21 15:41
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 19:16
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 14:50
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 18 May 21 11:20
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 18 May 21 16:56
 No future for the Labour Party?  Stuartli 17 May 21 12:45
 No future for the Labour Party?  R.P. 17 May 21 13:09
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 17 May 21 19:19
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 17 May 21 19:28
 No future for the Labour Party?  Lygonos 18 May 21 07:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 18 May 21 10:57
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 20 May 21 08:45
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 20 May 21 11:55
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 20 May 21 13:05
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 20 May 21 14:09
 No future for the Labour Party..  neiltoo 20 May 21 14:23
 No future for the Labour Part..  Bromptonaut 20 May 21 14:34
 No future for the Labour Par..  legacylad 20 May 21 14:51
 No future for the Labour Par..  No FM2R 20 May 21 17:41
 No future for the Labour Par..  No FM2R 20 May 21 17:42
 No future for the Labour Party..  No FM2R 20 May 21 17:40
 No future for the Labour Part..  sooty123 20 May 21 18:18
 No future for the Labour Par..  No FM2R 20 May 21 19:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 20 May 21 17:00
 No future for the Labour Party..  Terry 21 May 21 01:32
 No future for the Labour Part..  No FM2R 21 May 21 02:26
 No future for the Labour Par..  legacylad 21 May 21 07:30
 No future for the Labour Pa..  smokie 21 May 21 09:02
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 21 May 21 09:37
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 21 May 21 11:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  legacylad 22 May 21 09:07
  
 No future for the Labour Part..  Bromptonaut 21 May 21 11:49
 No future for the Labour Par..  sooty123 22 May 21 07:57
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Bromptonaut 22 May 21 08:54
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 22 May 21 09:13
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 22 May 21 20:07
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 22 May 21 20:31
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 23 May 21 08:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 23 May 21 16:46
 No future for the Labour Party?  commerdriver 23 May 21 17:41
 No future for the Labour Party?  neiltoo 23 May 21 18:00
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 23 May 21 18:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 23 May 21 18:39
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 23 May 21 18:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 23 May 21 22:08
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 24 Sep 21 07:59
 No future for the Labour Party?  PeterS 24 Sep 21 08:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 24 Sep 21 08:40
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 24 Sep 21 09:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  smokie 24 Sep 21 09:31
 No future for the Labour Party..  sooty123 24 Sep 21 11:21
 No future for the Labour Party..  legacylad 24 Sep 21 12:02
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 24 Sep 21 15:16
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 24 Sep 21 21:28
 No future for the Labour Party..  Kevin 24 Sep 21 22:15
 No future for the Labour Part..  Robin O'Reliant 25 Sep 21 14:02
 No future for the Labour Par..  Bromptonaut 25 Sep 21 14:28
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Terry 26 Sep 21 00:45
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 26 Sep 21 08:44
  
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Bromptonaut 26 Sep 21 09:31
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 26 Sep 21 12:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 26 Sep 21 12:13
  
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Kevin 26 Sep 21 13:52
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 26 Sep 21 20:44
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 26 Sep 21 22:05
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 26 Sep 21 22:22
 No future for the Labour Party?  bathtub tom 26 Sep 21 22:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 26 Sep 21 23:21
 No future for the Labour Party?  sooty123 27 Sep 21 07:03
 No future for the Labour Party?  PeterS 27 Sep 21 08:00
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 27 Sep 21 08:57
 No future for the Labour Party?  Dog 27 Sep 21 11:44
 No future for the Labour Party?  bathtub tom 27 Sep 21 09:31
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 27 Sep 21 10:07
 No future for the Labour Party?  martin aston 27 Sep 21 12:06
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 27 Sep 21 13:11
 No future for the Labour Party..  Terry 27 Sep 21 13:59
 No future for the Labour Part..  bathtub tom 27 Sep 21 14:23
 No future for the Labour Part..  Bromptonaut 27 Sep 21 14:30
 No future for the Labour Par..  sooty123 27 Sep 21 15:06
 No future for the Labour Par..  Robin O'Reliant 27 Sep 21 15:15
 No future for the Labour Pa..  sooty123 27 Sep 21 16:57
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 29 Oct 21 11:17
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 29 Oct 21 11:22
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 29 Oct 21 11:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 29 Oct 21 11:31
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 29 Oct 21 13:59
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 29 Oct 21 14:31
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 29 Oct 21 17:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 29 Oct 21 18:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 29 Oct 21 18:55
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 30 Oct 21 14:01
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 30 Oct 21 14:47
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 30 Oct 21 18:11
 No future for the Labour Party..  Manatee 30 Oct 21 18:54
 No future for the Labour Party..  Bromptonaut 30 Oct 21 21:59
 No future for the Labour Part..  PeterS 30 Oct 21 22:29
 No future for the Labour Par..  Bromptonaut 30 Oct 21 23:09
 No future for the Labour Party?  smokie 29 Oct 21 19:33
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 29 Oct 21 20:21
 No future for the Labour Party?  Kevin 29 Oct 21 21:49
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Bromptonaut 27 Sep 21 18:24
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 27 Sep 21 18:29
 No future for the Labour Party?  Manatee 27 Sep 21 20:51
 No future for the Labour Party?  DeeW 28 Sep 21 09:27
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 27 Sep 21 22:37
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 28 Sep 21 09:53
 No future for the Labour Party?  No FM2R 28 Sep 21 10:05
 No future for the Labour Party?  Bromptonaut 28 Sep 21 17:29
 No future for the Labour Party?  Robin O'Reliant 28 Sep 21 19:03
 No future for the Labour Par..  PeterS 27 Sep 21 16:58
 No future for the Labour Pa..  Lygonos 27 Sep 21 17:06
  
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 27 Sep 21 22:15
 No future for the Labour Party?  Terry 27 Sep 21 22:52
 No future for the Labour Party?  PeterS 28 Sep 21 23:26
 No future for the Labour Party?  Lygonos 29 Sep 21 00:06
 No future for the Labour Party?  Zero 29 Sep 21 09:23
 No future for the Labour Party?  Duncan 29 Sep 21 16:36
 No future for the Labour Party?  Fursty Ferret 3 Oct 21 09:25
  
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