>> As I said, power/force /strength is an effective deterrent. But the moment you use it
>> is becomes counter productive in the big picture.
I don't follow the logic.
The moment you use it, some people know what it feels like and don't want it again.
Yes there are some who will carry on regardless, but they are the ones that the initial threat wouldn't have bothered too much either.
>> However, clearly you have to have it, especially in order to protect others.
...including the actual application of it..as explained above
>>
>> Firstly, stopping someone in one area and moving them on to the next area, as
>> per WP's example, achieves nothing insofar as addressing the problem is concerned, it simply moves
>> into to where you can't see it. It has solved nothing.
It has solved something, it has solved the problem in that area. I'd agree it hasn't solved the problem in its entirety, but not many of us have the command or resources to achieve that.
>> But as WP also said, "he'll still be a loudmouth" so the problem has NOT
>> been resolved by the use of force.
It was in North Finchley for that time period.
>>
>> Now I don't know how that problem could be solved, but I also don't see
>> how anybody can believe that it could be solved with force.
If the whole of London used that or other tactics, then the whole of London would have been 'solved'...(although that is far easier said than done and overly simplistic).
I agree with this:
tinyurl.com/lmozxkt
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>> >>Your alternative would have ignored it and it would still be happening now.
>>
>> This is part that I don't feel comfortable with - the belief that there is
>> force or ignoring the situation. There is a range of stuff in between doing nothing
>> and using force. It at least needs considering.
Fair enough... but what is it?
>>
>> Neither am I comfortable with the idea that a problem moved onto the next patch
>> is a problem resolved.
Neither am I , but it's the best I could achieve.
>>
>> I can see how a police force is driven towards both of those results, but
>> I don;t like the belief that this is a good or acceptable thing.
Why not..something is better than nothing.
>> I cannot see any sign that force will effectively deal with terrorism. Most of the
>> terrorism we currently have is resulting from previous uses of force, however long ago.
>>
>> I think the core is understanding. (Not the same as being a wuss and doing
>> nothing).
Then what?
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