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 Fri 12 Dec 14 19:38 
 The C.I.A. and torture. - No FM2R
>>You smack a bully right in the eye...........

And teach him what? That he was absolutely correct in his behaviour in hitting people smaller than him, as proven when he got hit by someone bigger than him?

There's always someone bigger, then what will you do?

If you hit a bully, then you run the risk that the bully's brother / friend /whatever will then hit you. Even if they don't perhaps they'll sneak up and scratch your car in the night. Or perhaps they'll go and pick on some other kid to get their "kudos" back. Then you;ll go and get your friends. etc. etc.

Or have you truly met bullies who got thumped and so thought "oh, I see where I've gone wrong now, I'll change and never be like that again".

I entirely understand the wish to thump them. But all you do is reinforce the sentiment that its ok to hit people if you think you're right and you're bigger than them. So you may make that individual suffer, and maybe you will feel better because they suffer, but not only will you change nothing, you will probably exacerbate the problem.

And right now IS thinks that it is in the right and is bigger than those it is hitting. As did Al Qaeda when it attacked the US and as did the US when it tortured, etc. etc. etc.

Overly simplistically;

Why did the US get attacked on 9/11?
Why did those people wish to target the US?
Why did the US do what it did that then caused that enmity?
What did those people do to cause the US to carry out that course of action?
and on and on ....

So where is this approach of answering violence with violence solving anything?

Now, I am not saying that anybody should turn up their toes and let it all happen, but what has caused conflicts to end in the past?

Because its not and it has never been violence.

What did G W Bush solve? Because he didn't make the terrorists go away. In fact, he changed what to most was an intangible enemy into a tangible bogey man and got attacked more.

Why is there now less conflict in Northern Ireland? Because I don't think the IRA got scared and ran away. Neither did the Unionists nor the British Army.
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