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Thread Author: Dutchie Replies: 110

 The C.I.A. and torture. - No FM2R
>> >> You don't teach a child to stop bullying by beating them
>>
>> The people who torture suspected terrorists and other bad guys aren't trying to teach
>>them anything FMR.

The "Child" in my example, is not the individual you are torturing, but rather the "other side".

But I see the whole issue as pretty obvious;

We don't like Team X because they abuse people's rights who can't defend themselves. (rape, murder, etc. etc.)

So, to show them that abusing people's rights just because you are stronger than them is wrong, we abuse their rights because we're stronger than them.

Or perhaps we think that it is wrong to abuse people just because you believe yourself to be correct; yet torture is the act of abusing people just because you believe yourself to be right.

Presumably the opposing view is that one can show them that you're so strong and tough that they will give up on their beliefs?

Like that has ever happened to anyone ever.

The people think that they are correct. However wrong that you think they are, however wrong that they actually are, they believe themselves to be right.

Now, consider that you believed yourself to be correct, consider that you believed yourself to be defending your religion, your way of life, your future, your family and you were doing it against people who had no religion, were not worthy of respect, and had no value who were corrupting and destroying everything you believed in.

What would stop you?

I suspect, like IS, absolutely nothing.

You know what stopped the IRA? Or what stopped the Native American tribes? Getting manipulated in negotiations, not confronted in war.

All this aggressive, in your face, we'll show 'em who is boss, bomb the b******s, hunt them down s***e is just that; Expensive, ineffectual, counter productive s***e.

Jeez, half you lot can't cope with immigrants never mind what you consider to be invading forces.

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 The C.I.A. and torture.  Dutchie 10 Dec 14 20:56
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Zero 10 Dec 14 21:21
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 The C.I.A. and torture.  Old Navy 11 Dec 14 16:06
 The C.I.A. and torture.  CGNorwich 11 Dec 14 20:18
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Old Navy 11 Dec 14 20:56
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 20:58
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Old Navy 11 Dec 14 21:04
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Zero 11 Dec 14 21:09
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 21:11
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 21:16
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Zero 11 Dec 14 21:29
  
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 The C.I.A. and torture.  CGNorwich 11 Dec 14 21:49
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 21:52
 The C.I.A. and torture.  CGNorwich 11 Dec 14 22:02
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 22:03
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Armel Coussine 10 Dec 14 22:56
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 The C.I.A. and torture.  Armel Coussine 10 Dec 14 23:13
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Zero 10 Dec 14 23:05
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Armel Coussine 11 Dec 14 00:36
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 14:55
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Dutchie 11 Dec 14 15:57
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Armel Coussine 11 Dec 14 16:41
 The C.I.A. and torture.  Armel Coussine 11 Dec 14 16:52
 The C.I.A. and torture.  No FM2R 11 Dec 14 21:34
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 The C.I.A. and torture.  Westpig 14 Dec 14 21:19
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 The C.I.A. and torture.  Manatee 15 Dec 14 14:19
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