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 HS2 costs out of control, says review - Manatee
That sounds naive, just no offence intended. This isn't a yes or no answer.

Opposition is there to scrutinize and challenge, in parliament, and no doubt will. You might also have noticed that the Cons at the moment are behaving like the opposition, not only continually attacking Labour but making up lies to do it. I'd give them nothing that wasn't carefully thought out and tested.

As it happens, I'm pretty sure the simple "business case" hasn't added up for a long time. On that basis London to Birmingham should probably also be cancelled.

Sunak says the facts have changed. They changed a long time ago. This idea goes right back to Gordon Brown, when the cost estimate was no more than £25bn IIRC. Sunk cost is about £10bn and writing that off could be our least loss. North of Brum it's probably a billion, a mere 1/37th of the failed track and trace exercise, so by pure logic we should probably at least put it in abeyance while a proper decision is made.

You're using this to characterise KS but really there's no need for Labour to add a knee jerk reaction to the debate this week or next.

The Cons are now routinely minimising parliamentary scrutiny. The first response from Labour must be to probe the proposals that have been dressed out with a bundle of at least partly recycled promises. There really is no plan - the point is the electioneering action man propaganda. It defies belief that they would cancel a national infrastructure project just to pursue a populist agenda of course but I'm sure it has a bearing on the timing, the carpy process and the manner of the announcement.

While the 12 year old SPADs in no. 10 are making up non existent policies to cancel and writing the culture war script, Sunak is also fighting a leadership challenge. His biggest enemies are Truss, Braverman, Badenoch, Patel and a considerable number of his own MPs. I doubt whether Labour has much to gain by lowering itself to the same level. There seems to be about 25% of the voters who make up the faithful, and Labour is unlikely to make inroads there. Save the ammunition.

Best let them get on with it. Surely only the dim and deluded are fooled by Sunak's poor attempt at personating Johnson.

Apology for the stream of thought.
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  No FM2R 5 Jan 20 14:03
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 5 Jan 20 15:04
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Zero 5 Jan 20 16:11
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 5 Jan 20 16:22
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Rudedog 5 Jan 20 17:17
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 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Zero 5 Jan 20 19:06
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 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  No FM2R 5 Jan 20 20:04
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  No FM2R 6 Jan 20 17:07
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 6 Jan 20 17:30
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  No FM2R 6 Jan 20 17:39
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  tyrednemotional 7 Jan 20 07:17
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  Manatee 7 Jan 20 10:18
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  No FM2R 7 Jan 20 11:00
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 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  zippy 7 Jan 20 14:53
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  tyrednemotional 7 Jan 20 17:26
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Crankcase 7 Jan 20 17:52
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  sooty123 11 Feb 20 08:38
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Lygonos 11 Feb 20 10:11
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  PeterS 11 Feb 20 10:47
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Robin O'Reliant 11 Feb 20 10:59
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 11 Feb 20 11:52
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 11 Feb 20 16:48
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 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 10:54
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 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 10:49
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Bromptonaut 12 Feb 20 11:13
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 12 Feb 20 10:34
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 11:21
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  Terry 12 Feb 20 15:57
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  No FM2R 12 Feb 20 16:09
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 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 18 Nov 21 12:10
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 28 Sep 23 14:59
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  sooty123 4 Oct 23 19:17
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 4 Oct 23 20:07
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  sooty123 4 Oct 23 20:14
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 4 Oct 23 20:39
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 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  tyrednemotional 4 Oct 23 22:24
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Manatee 4 Oct 23 22:38
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 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Terry 5 Oct 23 01:48
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  sooty123 5 Oct 23 06:50
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 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Manatee 5 Oct 23 08:56
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Kevin 6 Oct 23 13:08
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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 6 Oct 23 18:15
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Terry 6 Oct 23 19:27
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Kevin 6 Oct 23 19:28
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  Manatee 6 Oct 23 20:20
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  sooty123 6 Oct 23 20:55
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Bromptonaut 6 Oct 23 22:39
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 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Manatee 7 Oct 23 11:08
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 HS2 costs out of control, says..  sooty123 7 Oct 23 11:41
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Bromptonaut 7 Oct 23 11:49
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  sooty123 7 Oct 23 15:58
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  tyrednemotional 7 Oct 23 16:25
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Terry 7 Oct 23 15:10
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 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Terry 7 Oct 23 19:02
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 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Bobby 7 Oct 23 19:03
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Bromptonaut 7 Oct 23 20:41
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