Had a salesman at the door this evening, (he didn't even get onto the step). He was trying to sell solar electricity generating panels, which he tried to tell me would heat my water and heating, and provide a surplus which I could sell to the national grid. If my whole roof was covered in panels it might just boil a kettle if the sun was shining. :-)
The question that stopped him dead was "How many years will an installation take to pay for itself". When I suggested at least ten years he shuffled his feet and said "I think it is less than that". Aye right!
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What a wretched job. Selling solar panels in October in Fife. Poor beggar.
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I did think that, but it is above 10C (just) and not raining (at the moment). :-)
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I can see two houses across the road and just in a side road from here. Good, red-brick semis, not joined.....sharing a drive. The whole front roof of the right hand one is covered in panels....about 15. They really spoil the house seen against the welsh slate of it's adjoining semi.
The other, across the drive has it's gable wall fitted with about 10......looks like a market garden..ugly, shiny rectangles of dark glass.
Like the Ancient Mariner...not for me !
Ted
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>> The question that stopped him dead was "How many years will an installation take to
>> pay for itself". When I suggested at least ten years
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Isn't 10 years a really good payback time?
In any case, why do you ask that question? What other areas of your household expenditure do you ask that question? For a new boiler, a cooker, or a fridge? How about your car?
In the mean time, those who don't install these systems are paying for those who do so that they get their 10 year payback return.
Have you thought about how much it is costing you to subsidise the homeowners who do install the panels? How long is your payback period on that?
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>>he tried to tell me would heat my water and heating
Photo-voltaic (PV) cells provide electricity. If placed on a South facing roof that doesn't get affected by shade, can be a reasonable investment with the government scheme (I forget what it's called). What they don't tell you is the life expectancy of the inverter that converts the DC from the the cells to AC. Less than 25 years and probably closer to 10 at a replacement cost of around £1K.
I like the idea of a thermo-syphon, hot water system I saw at that place in North Wales. I've got a South facing frontage that makes the place too hot in Summer, but at this time of year provides a good deal of heating, when the sun shines. I've toyed with the idea of a matt black painted radiator in a sort of cold frame device on a sloping panel over my South facing lounge window. If I get the hight and angle correct, it'll act as shade in the Summer, but allow the sun to heat the room in the Winter. It'd feed a coil in a tank in the roof, which in turn would feed the hot water cylinder. No pumps, no controls.
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I actually witnessed this happening in the hot weather here - the rad in the conservatory was warming and the rads in the rest of the house were warming up - weird...
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My local plumber has a solar water heating system; he says a particular problem is that it gets TOO hot!
Have a read of this;
www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-energy/Solar-PV-electricity-panels
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What are the punters with the panels going to do if the goal posts suddenly get shifted.
Any guarantee's worth more than a politicians promise come with them about future proof rates?
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>> What are the punters with the panels going to do if the goal posts suddenly
>> get shifted.
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>> Any guarantee's worth more than a politicians promise come with them about future proof rates?
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The beauty of the scheme from the politicians' point of view is that it is not funded from tax, but if funded by a 25 years contract with the electricity suppliers through a levy on those punters/consumers who are stupid enough not to install these panels (or unfortunate enough not to be in a viable location). However, from next April the lucrative deals that Labour instigated won't be allowed by the ConLibs. Otherwise if the scheme continued to attract too many punters, the funding would become equivalent to a perpetual machine.
So you and I(*) are stuck with paying to subsidise those who have installed these panels. You can't call it a subsidy really as you are funding them in full to recover their costs in possibly 10 years or less, plus giving them a healthy profit for the rest of the 25 years.
(*) I don't have the panels as my house does not have a suitable roof.
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My brother has the panels on his house in Oxfordshire.
As Suppose says, the subsidy comes from a levy on all energy bills, so you and I are paying my brother £1,000 a year not to have any electricity bills.
My brother fully accepts he is taking advantage, he saw the opportunity, had the money and went for it.
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I currently have 3 solar water panels with total capacity of 4.5KW and I must say they have been absolutely brilliant.
Because of the great subsidy I am hoping to get around 16 solar PV panels before next year's deadline. That would give 4KW. No point doing more as the payback is less after that amount.
As some have said they are pretty ugly, so we will try to put most of them on the back roof. They also some with black bezels and without the other horrible silver lines across them which look dreadful. I think they cost more though.
Unlike water panels, most PV models don't do that well in very bright sunlight because they get hot and their efficiency falls.
The other we might do is use micro inverters, i.e several on the system because this can deliver more efficiency.
Apparently the payback calculator is very conservative and in reality you get much more.
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We live in a south-facing spot in the very western-most foothills of the Massif Centrale, with an open aspect. One of our neighbours recently had almost the whole front roof of his cottage covered in solar panels and he told us how much money he would make.
First, he got into trouble with 'Batiments de France', the sort-of equivalent of English Heritage, because we are in the equivalent of an area of outstanding natural beauty. They pointed out he is only allowed to cover one third of his south-facing roof area. He is still arguing with them.
Second, the government, which runs the French electricity buy-back scheme, did indeed move the goalposts, with a quite large reduction in the offer price. He may not now live long enough to see any profit on the deal.
Meanwhile, we get approaches every week from firms wishing to help us make our fortune...
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We live in a south-facing spot in the very western-most foothills of the Massif Centrale,
we used to have a little house around le puy en velay, lovely area. we are thinking of moving back there when we can get rid of the children in 5 years time
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>> when we can get rid of the children in 5 years time
After the evening I've just been subjected to, I can sympathise with that feeling. Just saying :)
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....they have been absolutely brilliant...
I live just a few miles from you car4play and have an ideal south facing roof on my bungalow at the back . I am seriously considering such an installation, particularly as I am coming up to retirement when I am more likely to spend time at home using more energy with less income.
Can you advise who you used and a little more on the economics / savings / possible pitfalls of the installation and operation?
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I've been considering solar power for a while now and have nearly won over the other half. Tesco gave me what I thought was a quite reasonable quote - around £12k for around 3kw worth of panels. Could uprate the invertor for additional money, and also add fancy measuring devices (remote I think). I think I'm fairly close to a Yes vote but now I'm wondering whether it really is worth it. I reckon payback in 9 - 10 years (excl replacement invertor) which takes me to mid sixties - so nice profit beyond that, but will I be around to see it? On the other hand with energy prices rising fast they have got to be a Good Thing.
btw I have the funds to do it, so not dependent on loans. The endowment which was taken out with the mortgage is just coming up. Just as well we weren't depending on it to pay even half of the mortgage, but that's another story...
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Alas, despite having a south facing rear garden and ground floor windows, I only have about 2 sq metres of south facing roof....
grrrrr
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>> Alas, despite having a south facing rear garden and ground floor windows, I only have
>> about 2 sq metres of south facing roof....
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>> grrrrr
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A wind turbine dear boy, a wind turbine.
More than one way to save the planet you know.
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One thing that intrigues me is how do you clean the things? A house near by had some fitted last year and they are now streaked with guano from the local seagulls. Surely this must impair their efficiency. Doesn't seem to be the sort of job you could do yourself or entrust to the local window cleaner.
I clean the house windows every two months so I assume solar panels need something like the same attention
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Apparently, the sales guys tell you they're 'self cleaning'.
Although if their efficiency drops with the increase of temperature, perhaps a bit of crud's not too bad.
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We had 16 hi spec slimline Samsung panels fitted on the South facing garage roof 6 weeks ago. Cost just under £14K. Have so far produced 380Kw/H which works out at near enough £170 from the Feed In Tarrif and payment for surplus electricity going into the grid. This is an industry estimated figure of 50% as the surplus is not measured. We have had some very cloudy miserable days, since fitting, when production is poor.
The art is to consume during good daylight which will reduce our overall bill, washing machines, dishwashers, immersions etc.
Another bonus is the meter (non digital) is going backwards when producing and not consuming although I'm reliably informed that this is factored in when it comes to calculating tariffs and bills and it won't be long before the meter is changed.
We looked at it as a long term investment. Money sat around earning little interest. As I see it the profit will only come when the returns have paid for the investment + say another 10% for what the capital could have returned if I'd found a good investment.
I think that a year will show what the potential annual earnings and bill savings will really be and then we can calculate when we will hit that magic time when we will be getting a true return. A colleague just received a cheque for £700 for the mid summer quarter return. He has a similar system
After much research we used a company called Evo Energy who were spot on from inquiry to fitting. They have a good reputation, feedback and aftersales service.
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>> washing machines, dishwashers, immersions etc.
Blimey your house is big. We have only one washing machine and one dishwasher :-) No immersion heater because of a combo-boilier.
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:-) to you.
Are your figures likely to be right.... maybe there is money to be made after all. £170 in a short space of time.
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I've calculated at 50% at 43p / KWH and 50% at 46p / KWH. I'm pretty sure thats what the returns are.
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Sods law says the scheme changes if I join though. Big investment of our cash. But then it might not end because it's really generating electric and benefits all of us in the end.
I'd be more likely to pay say £10k for solar panels and benefit than go for an overpriced electric 'milk float'.
I could have had a Prius for my company car. I'd rather walk because of the styling! The Lexus equivalent was available and again I could have had one. But in real terms a 170PS diesel Passat was cheaper. Thankfully! :-)
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>> We had 16 hi spec slimline Samsung panels fitted on the South facing garage roof
>> 6 weeks ago.
That's interesting to know. Aparently these are some of the best and don't degrade performance in hot, bright sunlight. Funny enough I had a look at Evo Energy's website the other day when comparing it with one of our clients South Downs Solar - www.southdownssolar.co.uk.
Looks like a really good company.
Edit: Correction - I am confusing Samsung's with Sanyo - the latter apply above
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Just to be clear, you get 43.3p per unit for ALL the electricity a pv system produces. The 50% is for the 3p export tariff only - this is based on the belief that an average household will use half the electricity generated. Eventually we will all have smart meters which will record the actual amount sent back to the grid and you will then get paid accordingly.
An average 4kw system with a standard inverter should cost no more that £13K.
£15k is the maximum using Sanyo panels and a Solaredge inverter system.
It is the Sanyo HIT panels which are generally regarded as the best currently available - but only in certain conditions, and the benefits are not able to be demonstrated in any meaningful way in terms of paybacks/extra generation etc simply because the standard accessment criteria used as the basis for all calculations (SAP) does not allow for hybrid panels such as the Sanyo!
Solar panels are NOT self cleaning. Anyone who says this should be kicked out of your house immediately!
As mentioned before anyone on the Herts/Beds/Bucks area are more than happy to contact me for a survey!
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"Solar panels are NOT self cleaning. Anyone who says this should be kicked out of your house immediately!"
So exactly how do you clean them? I assume they need to be cleaned regularly
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In the Uk we have a great deal of something called rain. Usually this will be sufficient to clear away dust/dirt etc. A lot of window cleaning firms are cottoning on to the need however, and many offer a cleaning service, often from ground level using the articulated pump systems available. I would say maybe once a year should suffice. A powerful jet wash may be usable as well, obviously depending on the distance etc!
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If the mods are happy to allow this?
See: www.s-power.co.uk
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Does it make any financial difference if I move evening tasks to daytime, when I am (maybe) generating?
I thought Yes, as if I am using what I generate then I am paying for less. So if I don't, the only "revenue" is the 3p a unit for half of production. (I'm assuming that it takes from generated power before going to the grid to fulfil requirements).
SWMBO thinks No as input to the grid is not metered by time so while I am generating during the day, if not using then the meter goes backwards so I am "in credit" to use that power when it comes to evening.
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>> Does it make any financial difference if I move evening tasks to daytime, when I
>> am (maybe) generating?
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Depends on your cost to buy, and the rate to sell what you produce.
AIUI you'd be better using theirs and selling yours, due to the FIT.
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If your meter is old style and can go backwards then SWMBO is correct.
If you have the newer digital meter that only goes forwards then if you produce more than you use you will only be getting 1.5p on top of your 43p instead of saving the cost of your normal supply.
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The "free fitting" deals make you sign a lease agreement on your roof space for a goodly long time, I understand.
As I am not likely to live for the lease term, I would hesitate to commit my heirs to such an impediment in flogging the homestead.
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Leasing roof space is not really the way to go. Have heard of complications when trying to sell property before the lease has expired.
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@retpocileh
I wouldn't normally suggest this but why not drop me a line and come and have a look. Talking of hot water, tea or coffee? ;-)
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We have a large array on the flat roof at work, mounted on angled frames.
Access for cleaning and maintenance is vital, as seagulls roost and nest up there.
2 of the 30 panels have failed in 5 years, and the rectifier has been replaced.
It was paid for with a 100% grant otherwise it would have been a waste of money.
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Well thank you for the invite car4play..... I might just take you up on the offer.... tea for preference :0)
However I don't want to impose on you and was just interested in your experience and who you used as you are close by.
I have already seen one large installation put in his garden by a friend ( ex pilot ) some years ago down in the west country and he had to get council permission .He reckoned availability of inverters seem to be a problem and that the returns were dropping .
I wondered what council permissions are required as we are in the same council area I believe. I cannot find anywhere to get a decent return on the savings so solar panels might just be a good investment .
There seem to be a large number of companies selling locally and I just wanted to get other unbiassed personal opinions and recommendations where possible.
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...I just wanted to get other unbiassed personal opinions and recommendations where possible...
retpocileh,
My brother is in Oxfordshire, I expect he would talk to you about his panels.
Ping me an email via the mods.
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We currently only have solar water :
- panels from www.eco-nomical.co.uk 3 arrays of (58mm x 30 tubes)
- heat bank from www.heatweb.com (with integral solar controller and pump)
This heat bank allows us to combine gas, solar and back boiler on wood stove easily. Outputs to underfloor heating (downstairs), rads (upstairs), hot water via external heat exchanger.
I installed the panels and got a plumber to do the connections to the heat bank. We don't use a separate pressurised solar circuit, but directly connect to the heat bank which controls over temperature by dumping to the rad circuit, and does frost protection at 3° by circulating water when needed.
I have just had some discussions with South Downs Solar yesterday
www.southdownssolar.co.uk
about adding 16 solar PV before next year when the feed in tariff will likely fall from the current 43.3p/KWh (by approx 9%).
They have just taken on Suntech panels which have some of the best efficiencies.
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Suntech panels are the cheapest panels we are prepared to fit. They are some of the very few chinese panels with a reliable 10yr guarantee from a company that has actually been around that long. Biggest issue with the newest models (WD+) is a lead time of at least 2 months to get them. Apparently a lot of the free installation companies have preorderd on mass and bagged the volumes due into the country in an attempt to stockpile. Plenty of older models available in warehouses being sold for extortionate prices though...
Don't be swayed too much over 'efficiencies' regarding pv panels. Most are around 14.5-15.5% efficient. Even the Sanyo HITs which advertise around 20% efficiency 'cheat' a little because per watt they are smaller than the average panel. If a smaller panel is still rated as 250w then it is by default more efficient than a larger 250w panel. Real world difference is minimal except in extremes of shade/temperature which these hybrid panels are designed to be better for.
However the quality of the inverter panels are linked to and the quality of electrical works in the installation can have a massive effect on the overall efficiency of the whole system. Losses can be as low as 18%, or as high as 30% if the installation is poor.
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Warning on MoneySavingExpert www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/free-solar-panels
Free solar subsidy could be slashed
We've heard strong industry rumours the rules may soon change, so if you want solar (free or bought), go quick.
The Government may be due to cut feed-in payments by 50%+ for those installing after 31 March '12, though changes are unlikely to affect those already signed up. If you want to take advantage, hurry, as it takes time to sort and could spell curtains for free solar.
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I'm thinking about having panels fitted trying to convince my wife.Like to buy them out right.No interest on the savings.Strange you work hard I remember paying 15%interest on our morgage.And now we are getting penalised for being carefull.Funny world.(:
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It's called socialism Dutchie, and practiced whichever team happen to be in No 10.
Those who work hard, pay their dues and spend wisely must not be allowed to be in a better position over time than scroungers, ne'er do wells, alcholics, druggies and general layabouts.
The former must pay for the latter through funds they accrued by their diligence one way or another, it will always be thus.
Don't complain you'll end up on being branded an 'ist of some sort, find yourself on a list or two too.
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Been following politics a bit in the Netherlands,they have a right wing coalition.
Their health care is similair to the UK difference is insurances are involved.They have problems with immigration in the big citys.
Parents are resonsible for children up to 18 years.Brother in law told me up to 21years if children are in debt and owe money and can't pay parents have to pay.
Anyway off swimming <:)
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>>Strange you work hard I remember paying 15%interest on our morgage.And now we are getting penalised for being carefull<<
Don't pay to be too honest in this world - God will wont provide!
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The Squirrel and the Grasshopper:-
REST OF THE WORLD VERSION:
The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer way. Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
THE END
THE BRITISH VERSION:
The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed.
A social worker finds the shivering grasshopper, calls a press conference and demands to know why the squirrel should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate, like the grasshopper, are cold and starving. The BBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper; with cuts to a video of the squirrel in his comfortable warm home with a table laden with food.
The British press inform people that they should be ashamed that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. The Labour Party, Greenpeace, Animal Rights and The Grasshopper Council of GB demonstrate in front of the squirrel's house.
The BBC, interrupting a cultural festival special from Notting Hill with breaking news, broadcasts a multi cultural choir singing "We Shall Overcome". Ken Livingstone rants in an interview with Trevor McDonald that the squirrel has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the squirrel to make him pay his "fair share" and increases the charge for squirrels to enter inner London.
In response to pressure from the media, the Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The squirrel's taxes are reassessed. He is taken to court and fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as builders for the work he was doing on his home and an additional fine for contempt when he told the court the grasshopper did not want to work. The grasshopper is provided with a council house, financial aid to furnish it and an account with a local taxi firm to ensure he can be socially mobile. The squirrels food is seized and re distributed to the more needy members of society, in this case the grasshopper.
Without enough money to buy more food, to pay the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, the squirrel has to downsize and start building a new home. The local authority takes over his old home and utilises it as a temporary home for asylum seeking cats who had hijacked a plane to get to Britain as they had to share their country of origin with mice. On arrival they tried to blow up the airport because of Britain's apparent love of dogs.
The cats had been arrested for the international offence of hijacking and attempt bombing but were immediately released because the police fed them pilchards instead of salmon whilst in custody. Initial moves to then return them to their own country were abandoned because it was feared they would face death by the mice. The cats devise and start a scam to obtain money from peoples credit cards.
A Panorama special shows the grasshopper finishing up the last of the squirrel's food, though Spring is still months away, while the council house he is in, crumbles around him because he hasn't bothered to maintain the house. He is shown to be taking drugs. Inadequate government funding is blamed for the grasshoppers drug 'illness'.
The cats seek recompense in the British courts for their treatment since arrival in UK.
The grasshopper gets arrested for stabbing an old dog during a burglary to get money for his drugs habit. He is imprisoned but released immediately because he has been in custody for a few weeks. He is placed in the care of the probation service to monitor and supervise him. Within a few weeks he has killed a guinea pig in a botched robbery.
A commission of enquiry, that will eventually cost £10,000,000 to state the obvious, is set up.
Additional money is put into funding a drug rehabilitation scheme for grasshoppers and legal aid for lawyers representing asylum seekers is increased. The asylum seeking cats are praised by the government for enriching Britain's multicultural diversity and dogs are criticised by the government for failing to befriend the cats.
The grasshopper dies of a drug overdose. The usual sections of the press blame it on the obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity and his traumatic experience of prison. They call for the resignation of a minister.
The cats are paid a million pounds each because their rights were infringed when the government failed to inform them there were mice in the United Kingdom.
The squirrel, the dogs and the victims of the hijacking, the bombing, the burglaries and robberies have to pay an additional percentage on their credit cards to cover losses, their taxes are increased to pay for law and order and they are told that they will have to work beyond 65 because of a shortfall in government funds.
THE END
With apologies to anyone on benefits who is wanting to work
And apologies for the length
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S’funny I should come in from a quite luvly walk on the moor, brilliant sunshine (in between showers)
only meeting one other lost soul, hearing on radio Cornwall the tale about a family in Truro with 5 kids,
no-one in the house has done a days work for god knows how many years – TV in every room, nice car in the drive,
Rewind to last week, radio 5 dead, elderly chap up in the N.E. can only afford to eat on 4 days of the week,
doesn’t know how the hell he’s going to afford to heat his home this winter.
Funny ole life, as Lauri used to say.
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Nice to be back dog.Did have some nice bicycle rides on the moors in Drente the provence of Assen.Wide bicycle paths and a joy to cycle.Just heard the news about this Vince Tabak bloke there are nutcases everywhere.
Had the raw herring with unions yum.>:)
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Whatcha Dutchie, you're pulling my leg about the moors in Holland right ;}
I know you're married to an English lass Dutchie, and have English children but,
would you rather live in Holland now, at your time of life?
I've still not ad me roll mops yet, actually :)
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He's not pulling your leg. Drenthe is famous for its heaths and moorland. Lovely area to cycle or walk.
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Feed in price cuts to come soon. Somebody jumped the gun & published a website prematurely
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/28/solar-subsidies-cut-half
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>> Feed in price cuts to come soon. Somebody jumped the gun & published a website
>> prematurely
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>> www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/28/solar-subsidies-cut-half
Solar tariff cut plan ruled legally flawed
Government plans to cut subsidies for solar panels on homes have been ruled legally flawed by the High Court.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16291768
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Just happen to see this post Dog.Better late than never.>:)
Settled in the UK now Dog.Two children adults leave near me.One in New Zealand ,he will problaby return next year to the UK.
Where I was born is a nice Province of Groningen small village Nieuweschans.
Sorry about the belated answer.
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I saw a new solar panel installation on one of my recent rehab hobbles.
Panels are an unusual sight in the North East, due to the generally lower levels of sunlight.
The feed in tariff is very generous, so perhaps it makes sense for a homeowner even if the home is in a sub-prime location.
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>>Panels are an unusual sight in the North East, due to the generally lower levels of sunlight<<
Maybe a bit late for you and your hip Sahib, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to suppliment your diet with vitamin D.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_d
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I was listening to a chap who owns a Solar Bussiness on the radio this morning.They lost about 12 miljion pounds due to work cancelled.
Social housing schools hospitals etc.
Also plenty of jobs lost.
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>>>Have heard of complications when trying to sell property before the lease has expired.
Called in our local agents the other day and despite us being sorted they couldn't help but offer a brochure for a place in the village that met our basic spec. About £20k over where it should have been on asking price (due no doubt to its mock tudor bling)but interestingly they commented (not shown by any photographs) was an extensive solar panel setup on the rear roof. Apparently the guy says it's worth £12k and subject to seperate negotiation....
I'd have asked that it was all removed and the roof reinstated.
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...and the roof reinstated...
The roof's still there underneath, so taking off the panels wouldn't be a big job.
Seems to me panels are like extras on cars - they don't add any value in a secondhand sale, and can put off some buyers.
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I agree. Problem is the that the sellers think they can charge extra for something you see as a cost. Same goes for swimming pools, fishponds and and the like .
Last time I was looking for a house one I was interested in had a substantial front and rear garden but both had been completely paved over with brick weave paviours. Owner was aghast when I suggested he reduce the price by £10,000 to pay for the cost of of removing them and reinstating the topsoil
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Appeal court decision today on legality of some aspects of recent cut in 'buyback' rate.
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2012/28.html
Not au fait with this stuff but seems to say Minister 'jumped gun' in cutting rate for installs between late 2011 and April 2012.
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Our roof is south facing,I can't make up my mind if it is worth spending 12000 pounds.
I like the idear of saving money and a payback from the government.The panels are fixed to the roof and should last more than 30 years.
The panels won't add any value to the house in my opinion.I have checked a few companys and the majority of panels are made in Germany.
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The less workmen clambering over my roof the better is my opinion.
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>> The less workmen clambering over my roof the better is my opinion.
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I now get adverts for solar panels on the right of my screen!
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They are the modern equivalent of stone cladding or uPVC doors, or huge satellite dishes. Completely and utterly naff.
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>> They are the modern equivalent of stone cladding or uPVC doors, or huge satellite dishes.
>> Completely and utterly naff.
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A good advert for we have got spare £££s - beware of scroats?
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...beware of scroats?...
Hope I get the first 'solar panels nicked while family away on holiday' story.
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>> ...beware of scroats?...
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>> Hope I get the first 'solar panels nicked while family away on holiday' story.
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too late:-
www.norfolk.police.uk/newsevents/newsstories/2011/june/solarpanelsstolen.aspx
www.northumbria.police.uk/news_and_events/media_centre/news_releases/details.asp?id=49564
Ok, missing the 'whilst on holiday' angle ;-)
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...too late:-...
Well researched, Spammers.
The lesson for the reporter here is never claim something to be 'the first', always cover yourself with 'believed to be...'.
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>> the first 'solar panels nicked while family away on holiday' story.
'Crawling' Nissan Leaf with 'football-field-sized board strapped to roof' led to arrest of East London electrician, court told
Accused cites 'interests of all humanity'
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Thu 26 Jan 12 at 21:00
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Should have stuck it where the sun don't shine
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Solar panels - Runfer D'Hills
