Having a discussion over on hotukdeals about how long a car can sit in a field and still be sold as 'new' I have a vague memory discussing this in the BR days, but I can't find anything from an archive search there.
I have the figure 3 years in my brain form somewhere (a case against Ford?), but I can't find anything from Google.
Anyone know the actual answer please?
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Back in 1999 I cleaned a Rover 825 Sterling that was registered 'new' but had a build date in 1995.
I was speaking to one of the contract cleaners who had gone to clean a Ford Maverick which had been parked in a boggy field with long grass - it was discovered when they opened the bonnet that it had terminal rust in the bulkhead - unregistered aswell. Oops.
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...unregistered...
I suspect 'unregistered' has a lot to do with it.
If the car has not yet been registered, it's new, in the sense meant by the OP.
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in 2004 i bought a new unreg c-max that was 16 months in a filed before i had it.
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Sitting above grass or earth is the worst place to park a car for any time.
I know the rules for cars are different, but I think it's a swindle that they are allowed to call anything"new" that's been sitting around for months.
New old stock or shop soiled marked down 50% would be more honest. Is there any other consumer good you would call "new" if it had been standing outside? Washing machine? Furniture? Lawnmower?
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Give your seatbelts a tug, look at the date - it will be accurate to within about 1-3 months of the car's build date
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There are websites which tell you how to decide the VIN, my dads is May 1996 but was registered in December 1997. I knew the fact it had no aircon and the 1.3 push rod engine it must have been one of the earlier MK4s, as the 1.3 Ghia was very soon discontinued.
My car has trim dated 30/4/2010, I received it on the 11th May 2010! So it was less than two week old by the time I got it.
I reckon it took 5 days from leaving the factory to ending up at the dealer.
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>>I reckon it took 5 days from leaving the factory to ending up at the dealer.>>
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That is swift, mine was built in mid January 2010 and delivered (as requested) mid March, so about 8 weeks old.
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I checked the CC3 just after I bought it.
Build date was either October or November, 2008, registered new to me in March, 2009.
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It was at the height of the scrappage scheme, and the Panda was one of the best selling cars under it. I had to wait two months for delivery but my dad couldn't drive due to his broken elbow so the Fiesta was spare, so it worked out ok. Was there a waiting list for the Kia?
Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Fri 16 Sep 11 at 19:07
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There is a sticker on the sunvisor of my Mazda6 which has a date on it of January 2007. I got the car at the end of October 2007. I know it sat at the dealer's for a bit because it was the end of that old model when I got it - so they had to get one in stock before they were all gone.
I suppose it took a good few weeks to get from Japan to the UK too though.
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Only bought new twice - the Xantia and Berlingo. In both dates on carpets etc are within a month of date of registration in UK.
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The C5 was a factory order - Citroen used to drop me a letter every couple of weeks to tell me the status, and the point they shipped it to the UK
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Citroen (and I presume Peugeot) put an 'RP' number on every car, which tells you the exact date it was built - and now also includes the factory. There are several websites that will calculate the build date. It used to be stencilled on under the bonnet, but I think it's now more often on the tyre pressure sticker in the drivers door jamb.
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>> Was there a waiting list for the Kia?
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I don't think so, I ordered it a month before delivery, but the delivery was delayed at my request as I was abroad.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 16 Sep 11 at 21:32
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One of the basses in my village choir has a 56-registered Rover 75. I thought Rover collapsed in the spring of 2005, so it seems to have taken a long time to flog off the stock.
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>> One of the basses in my village choir has a 56-registered Rover 75. I thought
>> Rover collapsed in the spring of 2005, so it seems to have taken a long
>> time to flog off the stock.
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I seem to recall that the administrators impounded quite a few
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...I seem to recall that the administrators impounded quite a few...
I remember it the same way.
The cars were released a year or two later and bought by one of the ex-dealers in the south, might have been SMAC Group.
Whoever had the cars advertised them in the Telegraph's motoring section for a few Saturdays.
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I've mentioned this before, but in 1994 I had a look at a brand new unregistered delivery mileage VW Golf GTI at an independent dealer. It was the pre big bumper type, so built in 1989 at the absolute latest.
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>>Is there any other consumer good you would call "new" if it had been standing outside? Washing machine? Furniture? Lawnmower? <<
Common enough around here with lawnmowers and lawn tractors. Because French traders would rather eat their own entrails than offer a few euros off, and 'end of season' sales don't happen, the stock just stands around gathering dust or in the pouring rain. Lawn tractors, in particular, can be 'new' but with ingrained dirt, faded plastic and rust on every fitting after standing outside for a couple of years.
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We bought one of these a few weeks ago - freshly minted we had the best internet price matched and a "deal" on servicing from a local dealer. I wonder whether prices in the UK are still artificially high.
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>> I wonder
>> whether prices in the UK are still artificially high.
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Of course they are, any sale or special offer still makes a profit, so it must be overpriced at the normal selling price. No one is going to price match, or discount and make a loss.
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My S-Max was registered just 13 days after it was built.
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>> best internet price matched and a "deal" on servicing from a local dealer. I wonder
>> whether prices in the UK are still artificially high.
A John dear x 300 would cost you
£3913 in Australia
£3,300 here
£1,900 in the US ( plus any state sales tax)
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My BM has a manufacturing date labelled on the underside of the bonnet and was April '08. Came in from the factory and delivered to me same month.
Just a few months ago I saw a Jag XJ-S convertible, (identical to mine), a Black 1989 V12, which was unregistered and with just 72 miles on the clock. The asking price was £50,000 and it was up for sale for a long time. Assume sold now, or back into storage for a few more years whilst the value of these lovely cars starts to rise for the older ones. If someone had bought it, it would be 'new' on a 61 plate, but be 22 years old in reality........
Would cost a fortune to re-commision I would think...........Someone could happily buy my fabulous rock solid 2nd hand one for £11k if they wanted such a lovely beast!
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How old can a 'new' car be? - Stuu
