I still need some heat in the evening and early morning.
Neither Iffy Towers nor the caravan is particularly well-insulated, but it is nearly June.
If global warming exists, it's not manifesting itself in higher temperatures.
Or perhaps I'm feeling the cold more as I get older.
Are you still heating your house?
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It's been a very warm spring actually although temperatures do plunge at night and the heating has been coming on for an hour or two some mornings and evenings. What is worrying is the continuing lack of rain in these parts, still less than half and inch in Norwich since the beginning of March
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no heating for about 6 weeks now. been pretty warm on the south coast since end of march
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... been pretty warm on the south coast since end of march...
Nick,
I'm always struck by how much warmer it is when I travel to London or the south coast.
Might be worth bearing in mind if you are still thinking of moving.
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i had to sort out some business cock ups in leicesetr yesterday and was surprised how much colder it was and even the light seemed duller.
if i move it will be towards hampshire or dorset i think. could move back north unless it was a perfect beuty spot
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Same here on the Hants/Dorset border, although it has been a bit nippy on the school run/walk in the mornings.
Really need some rain though. virtually nothing since early March.
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On returning from a month in a warmer climate a few weeks ago our heating was definitely ON, now it is on for an hour in the early morning with an occasional short boost in the evening.
Climate change is an income and tax raising scam, the climate has always changed.
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"Climate change is an income and tax raising scam, the climate has always changed.'
Whatever the reason for change it has certainly been an unusual year so far with and exceptionally cold winter followed by a warm and very dry and warm spring in the South and East of the country. Likely to have an effect on grain and vegetable prices later in the year if we don't get some heavy rain soon.
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>> Likely to have an effect on grain and
>> vegetable prices later in the year if we don't get some heavy rain soon.
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The floods in Queensland wiped out much of Australias banana crop, they were $15 a kilo, about £10, recently. Mrs ON tells me a kilo is 79p here.
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"If global warming exists, it's not manifesting itself in higher temperatures."
According to the met. office it was the warmest April in England since records began 350 years ago
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Yes for most of April the heating was off all the time, but we periodically flick it on for an hour or so in the evening depending on how warm the house is from the day's sun.
We keep a modern calor gas super ser type heater in our main living room, the ceiling of which is about 13', with that height/volume the room can get chilly, as the gas heater is instant an hours blast will do to keep it comfortable, that means we don't have to run the main heating as much even in winter, keeps the gas bills very reasonable as a result.
We should invest in a new gas fire, but i keep toying with getting our builder to make the fireplace and outside chimney, suitable for a wood burner...it might already be but i doubt it, the gas fire was put in new.
One thing we won't give up is a decent electric blanket, our bungalow can be quite chilly by bedtime with no heating on at the bedrooms end and the pleasures of cuddling up together in a toasty warm bed are wonderful.
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"We should invest in a new gas fire, but i keep toying with getting our builder to make the fireplace and outside chimney, suitable for a wood burner...it might already be but i doubt it, the gas fire was put in new."
Our 1990 house has an exterior chimney and came with a coal effect gas fire but I am assured it will be OK for a woodburner. Worth checking it out.
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>> Our 1990 house has an exterior chimney and came with a coal effect gas fire
>> but I am assured it will be OK for a woodburner. Worth checking it out.
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We've got builder friend in at the moment doing some other work, i'll ask him to look....or rather i've just suggested to SWM to ask him, i'll forget.
Similar age house to yours so here's hoping...if it works out i'll be annoyed as we've just had 15 metres of wood fencing and posts removed, and ...thinking about it he's probably dropped the lot at someon'e gaff with a wood burner...doh.
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...similar age house to yours so here's hoping...
Might need a liner, but shouldn't be too difficult:
www.woodstoves.co.uk/html/faq.html
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we have no gas in the village so heating is econ7 but by prepayment meter that the elec people want 400 pounds to change so very expensive in the winter but ok in summer. neighbour has wood stove in lounge so may be tempted to look at opening up the fireplace and seeing if i can install a wood burner
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>> we have no gas in the village so heating is econ7 but by prepayment meter
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Check Ebico, we are with them partly because their ethics are one price for all regardless of payment method.
www.ebico.org.uk/
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>> www.woodstoves.co.uk/html/faq.html
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Now you've got SWM looking, thanks Iffy...he muttered..:-)
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we have a good electric blanket and they are great on a cold night just to take the chill off but my wife has her side set to toasty
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April was lovely: no heating.
May has been very wet and progressivley colder: 1/2 hour heating at 7pm most nights.. once during the day when it was 7C..
My bees don't like the cold.. nor do I. Thermal vest time. Unbelieveable for end May.. 12C max today but a breeze made it feel more like 5C.. and that was 2pm....
Puts hairs on your chest... I need them elsewhere...
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havent had any rain her for 3 weeks at least and hasnt dropped below 17 deg during the day and 12 deg at night. im having to use a hosepipe to keep my new plants alive
are you in the far north at all?
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I've had the heat pump on in the evenings downstairs, and I light the wood burner upstairs most evenings to warm the bedroom a little. I may also put in a heat pump upstairs for background heat this autumn.
Also just finished cutting and splitting my wood for next winter, all 30 cubic metres of it. So that makes the total under cover about 60 metres - enough for a couple of hard winters.
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The energy companies will be laughing - all the way to the bank :(
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>> April was lovely: no heating.
>> May has been very wet
May has been very wet? Where you have you been spending your may?
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North and West has been quite wet. Western Scotland rainfall has been twice average for May. It is amazing how varied the weather can be in a fairly small island
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>> North and West has been quite wet. Western Scotland rainfall has been twice average for
>> May. It is amazing how varied the weather can be in a fairly small island
Yeah i know CGN. I was out your way last week, and its so dry the trees are taking on a brown tinge. The crops look knackered already.
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>> April was lovely: no heating.
May has been very wet and progressivley colder: 1/2 hour heating at 7pm most nights..
once during the day when it was 7C.. >>
Not in the North West...:-)
We had a bit of rain in the last four or five months and plenty of gale force winds over the past fortnight; I've been wearing a fleece in the house later on in the day because it's not worth turning the heating on, but on the east coast and down south rainfall has been less than a fifth of the average.
Just ask the farmers and others working on the land in the areas affected...:-)
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we have strong winds often but i live nr goodwood at the base of the downs so the wind comes across the flat from the sea and up the hills.
you get used to it and replacing fence panels a few a yr
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>> According to the met. office it was the warmest April in England since records began
>> 350 years ago
This is entirely meaningless. The climate began billions of years ago, records of a mere 350 years in a piddlingly small country are a drop in the ocean.
We are still only just emerging from the last ice age, of which permafrost is the remaining indicator. This will melt whatever mankind does or doesn't do, the climate cycle will continue. There are probably thousands of years of warmth ahead, which will be followed by another ice age eventually.
What the hell we think we've got to do with it is beyond me.
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>>What the hell we think we've got to do with it is beyond me.<<
Human beings as a whole have developed a rather high opinion of themselves, inventing whole religions which have gods who created the whole earth just for them.
Any species that can manifest such grand ambitions for themselves is more than capable of believing they control the heavens and the earth aswell just by lighting a bonfire.
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...What the hell we think we've got to do with it is beyond me...
Nicely put.
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>> Are you still heating your house?
No idea, I have a thermostat. That decides if the heating comes on or not.
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Turned off about 2 months ago - not needed since, but house was only built in 2005 and is very well insulated
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The new house is in eco-home territory (scoring in the upper Cs) heating has been off, only a little sun is enough to warm it a little too thoroughly so heating hasn't been on this month....been rainy all month here as well.
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Well our heating has been off since that wee hot spell at the end of April.
Has rained every day since though I think, been thoroughly miserable. Has got so cold even I have been tempted to turn the heating back on. But have resisted so far.
Hate a warm bedroom, hate a warm bed. Prefer it cold.
To those of you considering wood burning stoves, once you do get one your whole daily outlook will change I guarantee you!
In your normal day to day business you will start to see surplus wood where you never saw it before, you will start to look at a wooden pallet in a different light! You will start to take pride in cutting kindling, how thin a strip of wood can you manage!
This week we have had winds that have ripped trees down all over the place - been all the Xmases wrapped into one if you are looking for supplies!
Oh and the other thing is you must never ever ever pay for your wood, to do so is to fail. Wood burning stoves should be 100% free heat! YOu are allowed to buy some eqpt though, saw saws, axes but never pay for wood!
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>> To those of you considering wood burning stoves, once you do get one your whole
>> daily outlook will change I guarantee you!
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>> In your normal day to day business you will start to see surplus wood where
>> you never saw it before, you will start to look at a wooden pallet in
>> a different light! You will start to take pride in cutting kindling, how thin a
>> strip of wood can you manage!
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>> This week we have had winds that have ripped trees down all over the place
>> - been all the Xmases wrapped into one if you are looking for supplies!
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>> Oh and the other thing is you must never ever ever pay for your wood,
>> to do so is to fail. Wood burning stoves should be 100% free heat! YOu
>> are allowed to buy some eqpt though, saw saws, axes but never pay for wood!
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+1 on that, especially the last paragraph!
I'd go as far as to say that anyone considering installing a woodburner, particularly as a primary heat source, should not do so unless they have access to a local farm etc where plenty of decent wood is available; you have to be a bit particular to get the best results, ash, oak and beech are good. Ideally you'll also need covered storage to keep your stock while it seasons, a trailer to carry it and you need to be working 12 months ahead. Wood prices are on the increase now that woodburners are fashionable; up to £100 for a 1 tonne tote bag down here.
There's a saying in Wales that wood warms you three times; when you cut it down, when you stack it and when you burn it. We have two woodburners, one a Villager and the other a home-made monstrosity which is the world's ugliest stove but is very efficient.
Have not had our central heating on since well before Easter.
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I thought you'd want to avoid anything that involved burning :-)
We can't burn wood in a fire here - it is illegal to burn anything apart from smokeless fuel.
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Is that a Stockport by law? Seen plenty of people in Chorlton and Didsbury running log fires, although I suspect the wood is some how treated.
I currently have my little electrical oil heater on as its so cold in my room.
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>> Is that a Stockport by law?
Yes. A house we looked at buying had an open wood burning fire and they were singing it's praises... except it's illegal to use.
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Sure Manchester city council has the same by law. Personally I think a rubbish burning boiler might be in order, it would be illegal but if the council what to stop collecting rubbish they can like it or burn it.
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...We can't burn wood in a fire here - it is illegal to burn anything apart from smokeless fuel...
I was thinking about that, some woodburners are approved for smokeless zones:
www.stovesonline.co.uk/cleanburn-cleanheat-stove.html
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>> I thought you'd want to avoid anything that involved burning :-)
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Heh heh, know what you mean boyo.....
.... when I had my roof done a few years ago, my neighbour (VERY Welsh) asked me what I was doing with the old laths and battens.
"Welsh DIY", says I.
"What's Welsh DIY?"
"I'm burning my own cottage".
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>> >> Are you still heating your house?
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>> No idea, I have a thermostat. That decides if the heating comes on or not.
Exactly!
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Ours has been off since April but we've needed a 15 minute blast a couple of times this month just to take the chill off.
No rain to speak of, but the winds have been the problem in the Fen as they dry the soil out more than ever.
I'm watering new plants and hanging baskets every couple of days and even had to fill the two water butts up with the hose pipe this week, just in case we get a hose pipe ban.
Having said that our overall gas and electricity usage is down by 16% on the same time last year according to Eon's energy meter.
Pat
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>> No idea, I have a thermostat. That decides if the heating comes on or not.
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Indeed, though the early/warm spring daytime temperatures but cooler evenings have highlighted a problem with the position of our thermostat I think. It's in the hall, quite near the kitchen. The kitchen is warmed 24/7 by an aga, but the drop in temperature some evenings means that it can feel a bit chilly in the sitting room. We have to nudge the thermostat up a bit so the heating will kick in. Must look at moving it, though I guess replacing with a wireles one would be easier. Another thing to add to the list :-)
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>>but cooler evenings have highlighted a problem with the position of our thermostat I think. It's in the hall, quite near the kitchen<<
Par! that's nothing ... our stat is in the same room as our 8kw multi-fuel stove :(
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OK I admit it, due to incessant whining from female household members I've just switched the heating on for the first time in two months. Still no bloomin' rain to speak of.
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I've fired up the wood burner for the first time in weeks - SWMBO has a cold see, so I'm being kind :)
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With all this talk of starting fires, I decided to light the main boiler and warm the place up a little. I also had a little wood left in the cellar, that I'm clearing out to make way for my new saw bench.
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I feel slightly less guilty now as I turned mine on for the first time in months this evening too.
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>> Wimps :-)
Alright for you Pu, you've got the gulf stream.
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:-) I'm hoping to get a rain free day before the month's out !
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Well you lot had best burn some more sheep or dance round your pot belly stoves in your pointy hats or whatever it is you lot do up there, but I demand dry weather by the middle of June when I arrive, or I shall think less of you leak eaters then I do now.
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Leeks and the hats aren't at all pointy. You are more than welcome to join us for some drinks on the patio and we could rustle up some space in the barn for you...!
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>>I shall think less of you leak eaters then I do now.
Methinks Zedddo's partook even more of the spirit than I?
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We've just moved. Our abode is shared temporarily with SiL who will be moving deo gratia into her own flat very soon. Her sister shares her fear of tumble dryers. So, instead they turn up the heating, to dry clothes on radiators. It's like talking to the deaf!
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>>shares her fear of tumble dryers.
Why? Does she think they'll morph into daleks?
Mind you, SWMBO's got a thing about baked beans. She refuses to have those screw-topped containers, but can't explain why, and can't throw away a tin until she's scraped the last bean out of it.
I thought it was only men who were supposed to be OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder).
I feel a new thread coming on.................
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>> Mind you, SWMBO's got a thing about baked beans. She refuses to have those screw-topped containers, but can't explain why, and can't throw away a tin until she's scraped the
>> last bean out of it.
Tell her the scraping in needless.... store the tins upside down...... put the right way up just before opening,and ALL the beans just fall out the tin!
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Why not just store them the right way and open them from the bottom ?? :-)
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>> Why not just store them the right way and open them from the bottom ??
>> :-)
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Cos the beans run down your sleeve :-)
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They come out of the bottom anyway, later !
Ted
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>> Why not just store them the right way and open them from the bottom ?? :-)
Depending on the tin design they are only opened from one end easily. Life's too short.
I wouldn't go for one of those fridge/huge Heinz containers because (a) it's too big to use in a few weeks and (b) we prefer Branston beans here..... when we have 'baked beans'. Although we actually prefer Greek style giant butter beans in tomato sauce.
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I just pull the ring, tip beans into pan, tap it on the side of the pan so all the beans run out.
I never realised baked beans were so complicated. Perhaps purists insist on storing the tins on their sides in special racks?
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I find that Asda's 29p full size tin travel particularly well !
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Tapping doesn't always release every bean.
I don't like waste, and I don't like putting dirty tins into the recycling bin.
So it is an issue for me, although perhaps not the biggest one I'm facing.
I have this very morning up-ended my stock of two tins.
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You need to optimalise and rotate your stock in order to ensure that each tin runs freely when opened. If you don't leave it long enough then you get what is technically called inadequate bean dispersion. On the other hand if the tins are left too long, in either orientation, you get bean clogging.
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>> I just pull the ring, tip beans into pan, tap it on the side of the pan so all the beans run out.
Am I the only one not to eat a whole can of beans in one go? I only use aprox a 3rd of a can at a time, or ½ a can if I'm having beans on toast.
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To answer my own question: Yes, and finally I hope.
There's an old - possibly Yorkshire - saying: Never cast a clout until May is out.
A 'clout' meaning an item of clothing, and 'cast' meaning take off.
The saying was spot on for this year - the warmer weather coincided exactly with the start of June.
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>> warmer weather coincided exactly with the start of June.
We went to Tuscany earlier in May. Don't tell me the warm spell here before we went away was in my imagination though :-)
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...Don't tell me the warm spell here before we went away was in my imagination though :-)...
Now, now, you know what I mean - discard the warm clothing for the summer.
Anyway, it's Yorkshire and it wasn't that warm here any time in May.
Presumably you'll have a saying over there about rain.
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:-)
Decided to go away again though. Rhodes at the end of the month. We did think about staying in the UK but it was cheaper to go to Rhodes for the week! It will be hot mind.
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...Decided to go away again though...
Don't you go spending all that emigration fund, or is this a fact finding mission as well?
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It's not fact finding this time as we'd not live on Rhodes. Greece is an option. After Tuscany we think (well I do) that I'd prefer to live in Italy and continue to holiday in Greece though. We like Lesvos for example.
Maybe there will be bargains in Greece when they leave the euro by 2013 though. :-)
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I saw a programme on Lotto winners in which this topic came up.
There was a guy from, I think Yorkshire, who had built his dream mansion near his home town.
But relations with family and the locals became so difficult, he moved to Cyprus where he is living a relatively simple, but comfortable, life.
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Wont be any super fast broadband tho.
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...Wont be any super fast broadband tho...
Don't suppose there was in Yorkshire, if the service at this caravan site is anything to go by.
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It's been 28 degrees C from around lunchtime here on the North West coast and it was still that temperature at 6-15pm....:-)
Makes a change after about three weeks of cold, windy weather with only two or three days of rain.
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>> ...Wont be any super fast broadband tho...
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>> Don't suppose there was in Yorkshire, if the service at this caravan site is anything
>> to go by.
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I think Zero has been watching too many Plusnet adverts; lord knows how they decided on the 'from Yorkshire' as a USP.
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We have been up in the North Yorkshire moors and dales area today and it was between 25C and 22C.
Stopped off at Lealholm in Eskdale to take a few pictures; drove through some beautiful villages - wonderful to be in an area like this - it made us appreciate England even more.
We both have distant roots in Yorkshire, my mother was from Middlesbrough (not NOW Yorkshire, I know), my wife's grandmother was from Whitby, although she was born in Wales & I in Malta!
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tis 10 past 2, temp in the Hovel boudoir is 23c - the Hostess is snoring, an i`ve been forced to come down and cool-off ¬ shes got her side of the eleccy blanket on under a 15 tog duvet, cos i had the window open an she was cold !!!!!!!
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I rate temperatures on a scale of 1-4:
1 = warm enough to sit outside for 10 minutes, then to hasten back indoors
2 = warm enough to eat lunch outside
3= warm enough to eat the evening meal outside
4 = warm enough to have an early breakfast outside.
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Nearly a month on and it's still chilly overnight in North Yorkshire.
My Google weather gadget is showing 9 deg C as the low tonight.
Which equates to some heat required before bedtime, although it was quite hot during the day.
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Spurred on by this thread I bought a widget from Lidl. An Auriol weather station. It records time (Radio Signal) - Barometric pressure (with historical recording), Moon phase and tide times., also includes an inside and outside temperature gauge and dual humidity readings -has a its remote sensor on (in a shaded area on the "stoop" ) - beautifully crafted bit of kit, currently forecasting some showers. Inside temp (as of now) is an ambient 24 degrees @41% humidity and outside it tells me that its 11.9 degrees @ 75% humidity. Handy toy - cheap enough at 16.99 !
I should add that the house has an EPA in the lower end of the B band, it's warmed on days like this by having a built in conservatory with a gallery type landing that promotes warm air circulation - a little too efficient at warming the place at times.
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Got one of those PU. Bit of a pig to set up but not a bad bit of kit. You can become a bit of a weather anorak though. My sensor, which for the majority of the day is in the shade just catches the late afternoon sun, and then the temp goes a bit haywire.
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>> Spurred on by this thread I bought a widget from Lidl. An Auriol weather station.
>> It records time (Radio Signal) - Barometric pressure (with historical recording), Moon phase and tide
>> times., also includes an inside and outside temperature gauge and dual humidity readings -has a
>> its remote sensor on
Yeah I have one of those Auriols, bought at Lidl a few months back.
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Got the new boiler - Worcester - fitted on Friday, and very smart it looks too. But we also wanted the thermostat moving, as having it next to the fire didn't seem ideal.
Now we've got a Honeywell wireless unit that lets you programme the target temperature to up to 6 values over the course of the day eg. something low overnight, 20-ish for when you get up, back down again while everyone's out during the day, up again for when people get in after work etc. Sounds like a good idea...
www.honeywelluk.com/products/Systems/Wireless/CM927/
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The problem comes when you have 2 people living in the house who have vastly different ideas as to what temperature the house should be, i find 20c too hot and the enemy like thermo nuclear meltdown type temperatures !
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>> The problem comes when you have 2 people living in the house who have vastly
>> different ideas as to what temperature the house should be
Similar problem here results in our thermostat being turned up and down many times during the course of a day.
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>> different ideas as to what temperature the house should be
>> Similar problem here results in our thermostat being turned up and down many times
Factor long term hot flushes into that scenario for added confusion.
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We have a constant battle in our house. My son and I are permanently turning the heat up and my wife keeps turning it down. It's not like she's carrying any padding, she's about 8 stones in her socks. Conversely and somewhat puzzlingly we have to turn the shower temperature down significantly when she's been in to prevent the skin being flayed from us by the heat of the water.
Go figure, as the cousins say.
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>> we have to turn the shower temperature down significantly when she's been in to prevent the skin being flayed from us by the heat of the water.
It's reassuring to know that my wife isn't the only female who showers in near scalding water.
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>> >> we have to turn the shower temperature down significantly when she's been in to
>> prevent the skin being flayed from us by the heat of the water.
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>> It's reassuring to know that my wife isn't the only female who showers in near
>> scalding water.
Ditto - same here. Don't know how they do it, it does not seem survivable to me.
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>> >> The problem comes when you have 2 people living in the house who have
>> vastly
>> >> different ideas as to what temperature the house should be
Same here, we have compromised at 20C. I can always put a sweater on, she is obviously better insulated than me. :-)
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>> Got the new boiler - Worcester - fitted on Friday,>>
My Worcester Bosch boiler goes in on Tuesday and Wednesday. It is being moved to the loft so I don't care how pretty it looks. It will have a wireless remote control thermostat gadget.
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>> Yeah I have one of those Auriols, bought at Lidl a few months back.
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Me too, had one for ages, My remote sensor is in my external gas meter box, out of the weather and the sun.
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>>>> Yeah I have one of those Auriols, bought at Lidl a few months back.
I bought something similar from LIDL years ago. I can't find a decent place to situate the external sensor.
I started off putting it in the shed, but when the sun comes out it gives a false high reading as the shed warms up.
I put it on the North facing wall of my garage. It got the direct sun in the morning and evening and I found it was effectively measuring the temperature of the garage. I've read that if they're fixed to a wall of a building they measure that.
I've now got it on a 'stand-off' on the North wall of the house, tucked up under the eaves. I suspect it's reading higher than air temperature and is kept warm by the house during very cold weather.
Any suggestions for a suitable location other than a purpose built weather box?
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What you need is a 'Stevenson screen' ( the first time that I have written that word for over 50 years:) ) - why is it that I can remember that, but not where I put my keys 5 minutes ago?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_screen gives info on dimensions and siting.
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Got mine hanging in a plastic bag in the middle of a bush. Its shady all the time.
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I like it.
What about Winter months, or do the leaves not drop?
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>> Got mine hanging in a plastic bag in the middle of a bush. Its shady
>> all the time.
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I had mine in a plastic food box in the garden until I put it in the gas meter box, which is also plastic, this is set into a north facing wall and the reading only lags changes in the ambient temperature slightly.
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So who do we believe, the global warming side, or this lot?
tinyurl.com/62ogt22
Will there be more tax on cold? (house fuel)
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The good news is that the Thames ice fairs could return,
But the bad news is that we'll be gorn by then O/N (or ga ga!)
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Yes I won't know (or care) about it in 20 years time. Not that bothers me now other than the tax on the estimated temperature variations that the politicians have invented.
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>>Will there be more tax on cold
There'll be less paid out in cold weather payments very soon. That's for sure.
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>> There'll be less paid out in cold weather payments very soon. That's for sure.
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That's a novel form of taxation. :-)
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>>That's a novel form of taxation. :-)
Add a little tax here, take of a little allowance there. All the same in my book, ON.
:)
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Have you turned off your heating yet? - CGNorwich
