Motoring Discussion > Should I change my engine oil?	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: bathtub tom	Replies: 40

New Sun 27 Feb 11 23:23   Should I change my engine oil? - bathtub tom

I bought the KIA Pride four years ago. The first thing I did was change the black, treacly stuff in the sump for new. I subsequently changed it annually and it gradually turned less black. It does less than 3K miles a year, although many of them are bouncing off-road, wheels spinning, at over 7K RPM. The oil looks a nice golden brown since the last change a year ago and peering in the oil filler it all looks clean under the cam cover. I suspect a lot of 'varnish' has been flushed away. Do you think it's worth changing? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 27 Feb 11 23:29   Should I change my engine oil? - Dave_

>> It does less than 3K miles a year >> The oil looks a nice golden brown >> Do you think it's worth changing? Probably not Len, as long as everything else on the car is done up nice and tight I'd have said the oil was the least of your concerns. Last edited by: Dave_TD {P} on Sun 27 Feb 11 at 23:29 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 27 Feb 11 23:33   Should I change my engine oil? - ....

Absolutely, signed Mr. Esso From what you describe your car suffers what the manufacturers refer to as extreme use, not many miles but "bouncing off-road, wheels spinning, at over 7k RPM". I would change the oil every six months. Might be worth checking the state of the gearbox oil too. Or, looking for another £50 motor as a backup. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 07:44   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

Yes, the most cost effective maintenance you can do. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 07:48   Should I change my engine oil? - Perky Penguin

What is the cost to you, garage or DIY, of oil and a filter twice a year? If it is less than a replaement engine + fitting I'd got for the oil! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 08:29   Should I change my engine oil? - Dog

Those l'lle Mazzy injuns are quite well glued together, so, - as a test, you could try draining the oil and see how long the engine runs before seizing up, like, ... but don't take it over 7kRPM, Lemme know how you get on. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 11:26   Should I change my engine oil? - bathtub tom

I saw a (long) clip on you tube about someone doing that to one of these engines. After it seized, they let it cool down and it started again! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 12:35   Should I change my engine oil? - bathtub tom

Found it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hc3uLI5p68&feature=related Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 12:57   Should I change my engine oil? - Dog

>>I saw a (long) clip on you tube about someone doing that to one of these engines. After it seized, they let it cool down and it started again!<< (hehe!) ... I was actually thinking a'back to the days when (I think it was) car mechanics mag who did that to a car (injun) that had previously bin dosed with Molyslip - it ran on, and on, and on etc., etc., etc. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 08:47   Should I change my engine oil? - hawkeye

>> Do you think it's worth changing? >> If you need to ask, change the oil. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 08:49   Should I change my engine oil? - Iffy

Compromise solution. Change the oil this year. Change the oil and filter next year. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:00   Should I change my engine oil? - Zero

No, its a kia worth 20 quid. the oil and filter cost 25 quid. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:05   Should I change my engine oil? - Tooslow

"No, its a kia worth 20 quid." Now go and look at the prices. I see a rather nice looking 3 door C'eed (I think) from time to time and wondered if it was a coupe. Went to the web site just out of curiousity and needed a lie down after I saw the prices. OK that's list not real world but still. Phew!! John Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:09   Should I change my engine oil? - Zero

The OP has a Kia Pride of vintage 295 quid with a years mot. Tax it and double the value, Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:10   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

>> Now go and look at the prices. I see a rather nice looking 3 door >> C'eed (I think) from time to time and wondered if it was a coupe. Went >> to the web site just out of curiousity and needed a lie down after I >> saw the prices. OK that's list not real world but still. Phew!! >> >> John >> I assume you have not driven one, it might be a pleasant surprise. I don't think that the 7 year manufacturers warranty is a freebe. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:11   Should I change my engine oil? - Tooslow

I was simply commenting on the perception of them as being cheap cars. They ain't! John Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:16   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

Most people haven't realised that the Ceed is comparable in quality to the products of the mainstream European and Oriental manufacturers. Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 28 Feb 11 at 09:17 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:17   Should I change my engine oil? - Zero

Get a C'e'ed' second hand, they dont hold value well. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:39   Should I change my engine oil? - madf

We drove a 106 over 17 years averaging 2k miles a year and the engine was as new when crash wrote it off. Anuual oil and filter changes.. made the difference. For £25 - £50 it seems false economy not to... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:42   Should I change my engine oil? - Zero

you could have saved 750 quid and never changed the oil at all. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:57   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

>> Get a C'e'ed' second hand, they dont hold value well. >> >> I run my cars for about 100,000 miles, then anything I get as a trade in I consider a bonus. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 09:59   Should I change my engine oil? - R.P.

Same could be said of a Colt couldn't it ON ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 10:20   Should I change my engine oil? - Zero

>> >> Get a C'e'ed' second hand, they dont hold value well. >> >> >> >> >> I run my cars for about 100,000 miles, then anything I get as a trade >> in I consider a bonus. Buy it second hand and run if for 100k miles, there's an immediate 5k bonus. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 10:24   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

I prefer not to buy a rejected lemon. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 10:26   Should I change my engine oil? - Zero

ON! Its a Kia C'E'E'D! How can it be a lemon! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 10:28   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

If someone has put petrol in it! I don't usually buy the same make of car twice. I agree that a preregistered unused car is an option. like my last car. Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 28 Feb 11 at 10:29 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 11:30   Should I change my engine oil? - John H

>> I prefer not to buy a rejected lemon. >> in other words, you prefer to by a new lemon. ;-) Last edited by: John H on Mon 28 Feb 11 at 11:30 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 12:46   Should I change my engine oil? - jc2

Is a Kia Pride what Ford(US) sold as a Festiva?? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 13:34   Should I change my engine oil? - Dog

>>Is a Kia Pride what Ford(US) sold as a Festiva??<< Si Senor + Mazda 121. Re: OP, as I've told before, I had customers who *never* changed their engine oil, and I'm talking about Ford V6 (Essex) and the Volvo 240 series, these customers used their mota's for busy ness btw so covered many miles! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 15:25   Should I change my engine oil? - DP

I took over a Focus TDDi from a previous keeper at my last company. 2 yrs old, 62,000 miles on the clock, still on the same oil it left the factory with. The lazy so-and-so had never bothered getting it serviced. I refused to drive it away from the premises without the fleet manager putting it in writing that I would not be held responsible for any subsequent engine failure. Got the poor thing serviced at the Ford main dealer the next day. Put another 30,000 miles on it over the next 9 months without so much as a hiccup. No perceptible difference in performance or smoothness compared to the religiously serviced 100,000 miler I'd previously handed back. I am a great believer in frequent oil changes, but it seems some engines really don't care. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 16:02   Should I change my engine oil? - John H

>> I am a great believer in frequent oil changes, but it seems some engines really >> don't care. >> I am NOT a great believer in frequent oil changes, because it seems MOST engines really don't care. ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 17:09   Should I change my engine oil? - corax

>> I am NOT a great believer in frequent oil changes, because it seems MOST engines >> really don't care. ;-) And which modern engines would they be? The TDDi engine DP is talking about is a relatively low tech engine, and can take some abuse. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 17:20   Should I change my engine oil? - John H

>> And which modern engines would they be? The TDDi engine DP is talking about is >> a relatively low tech engine, and can take some abuse. >> As i said, most. One exception that requires particular care with quality of oil and service intervals is: VW PD. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 17:21   Should I change my engine oil? - Bigtee

All this chat about oil yes change it for the sake of £20.00 it's got condensation in it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 17:25   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

>> All this chat about oil yes change it for the sake of £20.00 it's got >> condensation in it. >> And fuel, carbon, and a load of other debris, at least the condensation boils off. Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 28 Feb 11 at 17:26 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 17:56   Should I change my engine oil? - John H

>> All this chat about oil yes change it for the sake of £20.00 it's got >> condensation in it. >> Change it at 1000km or 1000 miles or any other arbitrary figure such as daily or weekly (or whatever your religion's calendar's time frame equivalent is) if you are worried about condensation. Last edited by: John H on Mon 28 Feb 11 at 17:57 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 18:20   Should I change my engine oil? - madf

If your engine has a cam chain then if you foul the oil badly, the chain wears and makes a racket. New chains are not cheap.. and fitting them is usually £££s. See Micras and Yarises. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 19:19   Should I change my engine oil? - jc2

Surely the Mazda 121 was a Fiesta-built by Ford in Spain but badged(and more expensive) as a Mazda.I asked about Festiva which was only sold in the US. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 19:47   Should I change my engine oil? - Old Navy

>> I asked about Festiva which was only sold in the US. >> There was a Festiva sold in Australia, I drove one about five years ago. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 20:30   Should I change my engine oil? - Alastairw

The most recent Mazda 121 was indeed a Fiesta Mk4, but built in good old Dagenham. The op's Pride is based on the original 121, which was sold as the Festiva in USA and Australia. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 28 Feb 11 20:57   Should I change my engine oil? - bathtub tom

The Mazda 121, KIA Pride, Ford Festiva of my '94 vintage was sold originally in this country as a Mazda. It was always made in South Korea by KIA. When Mazda produced a new model 121, KIA continued to produce the old model and marketed it in this country as the Pride. The three-door model was sold in the USA as the Ford Festiva, where there's a thriving community: www.fordfestiva.com/ It was also sold in Australasia, although as what I don't know. I believe it was continued to be made in Iran until recently. You can often see them in current news programmes, particularly in Afghanistan. It's probably KIA's most successful car. Reply to this message | Report message