Seems there is a protest going on at Dover right now which is causing major disruption in the whole area.
I hope none of us are travelling through there today!
Hundreds of masked men apparently, but I can't at the moment see what they are protesting about. The local MP has mentioned how boat people numbers are down so maybe that's it.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmwyzxlzxpzgt
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Yep visiting mil in Folkestone luckily we come off as the m20 ends so missed the a20 being closed. No idea how you get to the ferry.
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It's related to 'illegal migration'.
How it helps is another question.
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Maybe they're hoping seeing swarms of thugs waiting for them might be a deterrent.
It certainly puts me off going to Dover!!
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Surely they should be on the beaches in France if they want to stop it?
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Yes but I suspect they aren't the sharpest tools in the toolbox :-)
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>> Yes but I suspect they aren't the sharpest tools in the toolbox :-)
Ah! Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon must be there then.
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They heard 'Stop the Boats' and got confused about which boats to stop.
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..took a wrong turning for the NEC...
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It seems that Sports Direct have the contract for the black uniforms, trakkie bottoms and hoddies.
All last seen causing havoc on Surrons.
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Police said no arrests were made as it was a 'spontaneous' protest....
Spontaneous my a*se!
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I wouldn't call it peaceful either. If it needs a name then threatening behaviour - very intimidating and designed to be so.
To have zero arrests is a joke when peaceful protesters against Israel, oil etc are locked up is shameful.
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>> To have zero arrests is a joke when peaceful protesters against Israel, oil etc are
>> locked up is shameful.
But you are biased because of your political opinions. If protestors are left of centre, they are peaceful and ok.
But, if in your opinion protestors are right of centre, then it's harumph! - Disgraceful, they should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Say it ain't so.
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>> >> To have zero arrests is a joke when peaceful protesters against Israel, oil etc
>> are
>> >> locked up is shameful.
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>> But you are biased because of your political opinions. If protestors are left of centre,
>> they are peaceful and ok.
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>> But, if in your opinion protestors are right of centre, then it's harumph! - Disgraceful,
>> they should be locked up and the key thrown away.
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>> Say it ain't so.
Racist, not right of centre but yes I have a bias. I accept that they are mostly ignorant pawns more to be pitied than scorned, with an admixture of badhats in my (objective of course) opinion but they should be treated equally as protesters. Large numbers of masked men in black is suggestive of something very bad and is premeditated intimidation by the instigators IMO.
I note that they have been directed by somebody with a brain to avoid an organised "march" as that would have to be notified to the police 6 days in advance, but large numbers moving through the streets together really amounts to the same thing.
"Disruption can become unlawful where protesters, for example:
-wilfully obstruct a highway;
-deliberately or recklessly cause a public nuisance;
-prevent people from carrying out ordinary day-to-day activities or journeys;
-obstruct major transport works or interfere with key national infrastructure;
-use “locking-on” or similar tactics intending or risking serious disruption;
-threaten, assault, harass, intimidate, or damage property."
The definition of public nuisance in particular is fairly wide, arguably too wide.
If the police wanted, or had been directed as I think they have been in the case of pro-Gaza and anti-oil protests, to take a firm line they have enough to latch on to there. Obstruction, public nuisance, getting in the way of everyday life, threatening and intimidating at the very least. But they did not. So we will have more of these "protests".
There is also this -
"Concealing identity at a protest Under sections 157 to 159 of the Crime and Policing Act 2026, someone commits an offence if they are “wearing or otherwise using an item that conceals their identity or another person’s identity” in a “designated place”.
A place could be designated by a police officer of rank of inspector or above if the officer reasonably believes that a protest will take place, and offences are likely to be committed. The offence carries a maximum penalty of one month imprisonment and a £1,000 fine.
The act provides for defences for a person charged with an offence of wearing a face covering to prove that they “wore or otherwise used the item” for a purpose relating to their health, religion or work.54 This new offence is in addition to existing police powers to force people to remove face coverings in places where a designation is made under section 60AA of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, or if a section 60 order is in place. Under these powers, a police officer can request that an individual removes a face covering if they reasonably believe that offences may be committed in that locality, and the face covering is being used to conceal their identity."
Source
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05013/ (download page)
I don't ask that they are treated like striking miners but this is the not-very-thin end of a nasty wedge and they need to know that decent people see it for what it is.
Locked up and the key thrown away? No. It wouldn't do to make martyrs of them. A bit of community service maybe, gardening outside migrant hotels perhaps.
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>> It's related to 'illegal migration'.>>
Goodness! Are they all from North Korea?
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Reform UK home affairs spokesperson Zia Yusuf announced support for legislation to outlaw full face coverings in public. Party leader Nigel Farage has also backed the measure.
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Glad to see the protesters seemed to be mainly the same sex as those of whom they complain.
I expect their women, if they should have some, and like most of the rest of us, had better ways to spend our day :-)
Is it who or whom? Apols if I got it wrong!
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Last night in Glasgow a block of flats were set alight. These flats were empty and were being renovated.
The far right FB groups had started a story that these were being renovated for migrants and so far, there has been no proof that this is the case. But one of their thick followers took it as truth obviously and torched it just in case.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75035k54lxo
When you have a social media platform owned by a far right, paying people for their "content" and the content happens to be live streaming these sorts of events, and encouraging action, and we are a country that allows freedom of speech and protest, then all that is happening is more and more people are being converted to these views.
Similar to Brexit voting, the remainers thought ach this was just a fad and it would pass over and then we could carry on, and so didnt put together a meaningful, united campaign, then we know what the result of that was.
All parties really need to unite to fight the far right, I already fear it may be too late.
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>> More in Pompey.
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyegwl9vzqo
Reported to have crossed from Cherbourg!!
That's 5-6 hours on a ferry. But probably no more than crossing the Med.
As I've said before, for all the political narrative about danger, after you've crossed the Saharah, Libya and the Med the Dover Straight is a cake walk.
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However there is a fair old load of seriously big boats wending their way along the straits of Dover, which can't stop or even change course at the drop of a hat.
www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:1.6/centery:50.8/zoom:9
I remember once going out on a mates yacht somewhere in the Channel and feeling really small and exposed when we were not that far from a container boat. And of course in a narrow area like the channel even just their wake can be hazardous to small boats.
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>> Reported to have crossed from Cherbourg!!
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>> That's 5-6 hours on a ferry. But probably no more than crossing the Med.
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>> As I've said before, for all the political narrative about danger, after you've crossed the
>> Saharah, Libya and the Med the Dover Straight is a cake walk.
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I've sailing from Gosport/Portsmouth to Cherbourg - it takes a good 12 hours with a fair wind. The same journey in an over-laden rubber dinghy with just an outboard would fill me with dread!
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>> As I've said before, for all the political narrative about danger, after you've crossed the
>> Saharah, Libya and the Med the Dover Straight is a cake walk.
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I agree.
A total of 162 people are confirmed to have died in the Channel between 2018 and 2025, according to data from the Migration Observatory.
Over 192,000 people attempted the small boat journey during this same multi-year period.
Chances of dying on the crossing about 1 in a 1000.
Most unlikely to deter most who are male below the age of 40 who, like driving cars recklessly, believe it can't happen to them.
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>> Is it who or whom? Apols if I got it wrong! >>
If you use 'of' I think 'whom' will always be correct !
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As I see it The rationale behind the lack of arrests is motivated by the perception of what could happen.
1/.You contain and monitor and hopefully it fizzles out with minimal disruption and damage.
2/.You make arrests and this is an excuse to inflame the situation,makes martyrs out of those arrested and creates hostility towards the Police which spreads widespread copycat public disorder amongst the great unwashed.
The other concern is the legal aided judicial process which is already on its knees. Justice would not be swift and therefore there would in reality be no real consequences.
Its all about damage limitation and minimising the impact and collateral damage.
We are seriously in a state and on a knifedge.
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How this disorder is driven is of course subject to debate. Some would suggest that it is driven by long term Russian interference in the background to destabilise law and order. There was a suggestion in 2024 that there were 'Fixers' in the background of outbreaks of public disorder initially focused on temporary immigrant accommodation.
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>How this disorder is driven is of course subject to debate.
Locals are saying that the protest was hijacked. It started in the afternoon with locals who are P'd off after an Iraqi was arrested a few days ago for raping a 14yo boy*. The balaclavas arrived hours later so it sounds like they were tipped off.
* Portsmouth has the largest concentration of illegal immigrant accomodation in Hampshire and has seen quite a few sexual and violent assaults perpetrated.
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Report is that up to 500 protesters wearing balaclavas and appearing intent on causing trouble turned up with no notice. I suspect they vastly outnumbered frontline police that would normally be on duty. Normal demo planning processes simply did not happen.
It may have been possible given time to get support from other parts of the Kent area or even draft in officers from other forces. This would take hours. Possibly provoking a violent reaction from protesters by making arrests could lead to the police being humiliated in a street fight.
Understandably no one was arrested despite justifiable grounds for so doing. More importantly a failure to arrrest wrongdoers risks making protesters contemptuous of the law and police encouraging further such incidents.
Extremely worrying - societies only work where there is an acceptance of societal norms, and fall apart if violent disorder is left unchallenged.
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Whilst folk are waiting so long for court cases, and then getting such short sentences, and then getting released early, exactly where is the punishment and fear of getting caught?
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"It may have been possible given time to get support from other parts of the Kent area or even draft in officers from other forces. This would take hours. Possibly provoking a violent reaction from protesters by making arrests could lead to the police being humiliated in a street fight."
Mutual Aid is the co-ordinated movement of Police between forces. This does rely on forward planning and intelligence. Responding to spontaneous incidents in numbers is much more difficult and takes hours and depletes routine response. Alternatively 'off duty' PCs are mobilised which takes much longer. Resourses are always stretched on a normal day.
If you go back to the Miners Strike large columns of Police were formed and deployed as necessary. These were all on overtime and overtime paid to cover back in force. All co-ordinated locally and via a centre in London. The length of time allowed logistics to develop but think in terms of transport, accommodation, feeding etc.
If widespread disorder in several locations erupted then control would be lost. If its defined as a Riot the Police pick up the tab.
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There were no social media during the Miners' Strike ! ... :-(
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>>It may have been possible given time to get support from other parts of the Kent area or even draft in officers from other forces. This would take hours. Possibly provoking a violent reaction from protesters by making arrests could lead to the police being humiliated in a street fight.
>>Understandably no one was arrested despite justifiable grounds for so doing. More importantly a failure to arrrest wrongdoers risks making protesters contemptuous of the law and police encouraging further such incidents.
Fair comment.
I do like this forum. Nobody has actually said "they have a point".
I don't know what the answer is to migration problems, which clearly do exist. The world isn't going to go into reverse so it isn't going the be a return to the 1950's.
I wish people could get as exercised about climate change. How did we cock that up so badly? The imminent destruction of the ozone layer was warded off, can't that be an inspiration?
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Another coming crisis that nobody seems concerned about is the ageing population and the massive decline in the birth rate. I see from today’s paper that it now stands at 1.39 children per woman. To maintain a stable population it needs to be 2.1
This year the number of deaths in the UK will outnumber births for the first time.
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>> Another coming crisis that nobody seems concerned about is the ageing population and the massive
>> decline in the birth rate. I see from today’s paper that it now stands at
>> 1.39 children per woman. To maintain a stable population it needs to be 2.1
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>> This year the number of deaths in the UK will outnumber births for the first
>> time.
Many regard the current population as far too high. Climate change, other ennvironmental degradation and consumption of limited resources is broadly proportional to the total population.
Low birth rates create a demographic problem - not enough of working age to do that which the community, including an increasingly number of elderly, need. Until now the shortage has been met by immigration - the social, moral etc implications are another discussion.
There may be a very happy coincidence making the reduced birth rate a non-issue, and even desirable. Concerns over AI replacing jobs and employment opportunities may turn out to be the solution to the demographic challenge.
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>> Many regard the current population as far too high. Climate change, other environmental degradation and consumption of limited resources is broadly proportional to the total population. <<
Article in Times today illustrating how the UK's ability to feed itself has dwindled since 1995, in just about every kind of food. Back then we were net exporters of wheat (I didn't realise that).
Meanwhile large areas of once-productive farmland have been replaced with gigantic warehouses to store imported Chinese stuff or distribute Amazon packages. It is traditionally said that the country is going to the dogs - perhaps we are nearly there ?
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>> I wish people could get as exercised about climate change. How did we cock that
>> up so badly? The imminent destruction of the ozone layer was warded off, can't that
>> be an inspiration?
I don't think we have cocked up (how quaint!) climate change.
It is a completely natural consequence of population growth.
When I was born, the world's population was 2 billion, now it is 8 billion. That is unsustainable. The UK population has increased by some 68%.
Until we control population we will continue trying to push water uphill with a broom (other phrases or cliches are available).
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>>I don't think we have cocked up (how quaint!) climate change.
Mock away.
By that I mean we (humankind) have constructively abandoned trying to limit it to +1.5C and now we are trying to prepare for just living with 2.5C; and the world's 'leading' country has in effect cancelled official work on climate change - withdrawing from the Paris agreement, and revoking the EPA’s 2009 “endangerment finding,” which had concluded that greenhouse-gas pollution threatens public health and welfare. That finding had served as the legal foundation for federal regulation of emissions from vehicles, power plants, and other sources.
Trump has publicly called climate change a hoax or con job, and his administration has attempted to dismantle much of the federal climate-regulatory framework.
On behalf of my grandchildren I am extremely sad about it.
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>>Until we control population we will continue trying to push water uphill with a broom (other phrases or cliches are available).
I can buy into that. Increasing the population to deal with demographic inconvenience is about as rationale as thinking everybody's economies growing exponentially is a sustainable strategy.
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Seems Ai may be even more of a risk than climate change
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgwy1k42w4ohttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgwy1k42w4o
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“Until we control population “
Interesting phrase. Who is the “we” and how do how do you propose they control it?
As per my post above. The U.K. population is now in decline as are actually those of most industrialised nations. World population is expected to decline from the 2080s.
The only effective way to reduce populations is to increase per capita wealth and standards of living.
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No it isn't. The birthrate might be decreasing but the population has continued to grow year on year, as it has throughout the world.
tinyurl.com/24tc5pam (links to www.bing.com/search)
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Assuming the scientists are right humanity needs to reduce greenhouse gas emissions close to zero by ~2050 (25 years) to avoid potentially unmanageable climate change consequences.
There is uncertainty - sea level rise, ice cap and glacier melt, regional differences, thawing permafrost etc - but overall timescales and magnitude may be broadly correct.
Very simple maths. Assuming a global population currently 8bn and an average life of 80 years, it will take 80 years for those currently alive to die off.
Assuming reproduction rate falls from ~2 (replacement) to say 1.5 immediately there will be 6bn births in the next 80 years.
The simple maths could be refined with current demographics, average age of reproduction, year by year analysis etc, but it will not change the overall message - reducing populations is not the answer to climate change.
The benefit will come to future generations not alive today in 100-200 years time.
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No, but continuing to increase it makes it worse.
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Hi, I'm not sure this is right, unless I've misunderstood.
"Very simple maths. Assuming a global population currently 8bn and an average life of 80 years, it will take 80 years for those currently alive to die off."
It'll be 80 years on average for those just coming into the world to die off, rather than those currently alive, surely?
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>> "Very simple maths. Assuming a global population currently 8bn and an average life of 80
>> years, it will take 80 years for those currently alive to die off."
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>> It'll be 80 years on average for those just coming into the world to die
>> off, rather than those currently alive, surely?
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You are sort of right. The life expectancy assumption is constant whether alive today or born in the future. The phrasing is intended to reinforce the point that natural population reduction is not a swift solution.
The population will only change when reproduction rates fall. Thus in the first year 100m will die (8000m/80), and 60m born (8000m/2x1.5).
Over the coming 80 years if the crude assumptions are broadly correct 1.6 bn less will be born that die (40m x 80 years) - 20% of current population.
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>> The population will only change when reproduction rates fall. <<
Projecting forward the events of the last few years, I think we can expect an increasing proportion of immigrants who will want to attract their families and probably alter the reproduction rate ?
The traditional picture of a white-majority 'British' population may slowly vanish.
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>> The population will only change when reproduction rates fall. <<
>> Projecting forward the events of the last few years, I think we can expect an
>> increasing proportion of immigrants who will want to attract their families and probably alter >> the reproduction rate ?
>> The traditional picture of a white-majority 'British' population may slowly vanish.
Slowly vanish? How long will that take? That is alarmist far-right wing rhetoric.
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Why is it alarmist?
Sounds like a view to me, which the OP can legitimately hold and post.
There is no judgement on whether or not that is a good or bad thing. You are seeing things which aren't there. Unlike your attempted politicisation of the comment.
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>> Why is it alarmist?
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>> Sounds like a view to me, which the OP can legitimately hold and post.
The suggestion that UK will cease to be a majority white country, implicitly in short order, seems pretty alarmist to me.
Exactly the narrative of those organisations organising last week's 'events'.
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>> Why is it alarmist?
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>> Sounds like a view to me, which the OP can legitimately hold and post.
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>> There is no judgement on whether or not that is a good or bad thing.
>> You are seeing things which aren't there. Unlike your attempted politicisation of the comme
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I did not say the OP cannot have a view and post it. I am not seeing things that are not there. I made a comment which I think is totally valid. If you do not like it, then that is up to you. No need to get excited, riled and appear to take offence about what I said.
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>> I did not say the OP cannot have a view and post it. I am
>> not seeing things that are not there. I made a comment which I think is
>> totally valid. If you do not like it, then that is up to you. No
>> need to get excited, riled and appear to take offence about what I said.
I don't think there was any attempt to 'censor' just a comment about the reality of the idea of the UK ceasing to be a majority white country.
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>> >> The population will only change when reproduction rates fall. <<
>> >> Projecting forward the events of the last few years, I think we can expect
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>> >> increasing proportion of immigrants who will want to attract their families and probably alter
>> >> the reproduction rate ?
>> >> The traditional picture of a white-majority 'British' population may slowly vanish.
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>> Slowly vanish? How long will that take? That is alarmist far-right wing rhetoric.
I would say it is inevitable if the species survives long enough, but so what? It is what it is, or rather will be.
Around 15% of the world is "white", 85% not. It's rather an odd distinction to worry about when you think about it.
I'm more concerned that about half have below average intelligence;)
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>>I'm more concerned that about half have below average intelligence;)
Do I recall a previous education secretary wanted all school leavers to have average or above intelligence?
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>> How long will that take? That is alarmist far-right wing rhetoric. <<
So presumably any foreseen problems should not be mentioned, to avoid alarm. Yes, it will take a long time, perhaps longer than we realistically have to exist in a tolerable climate. Don't see anything right-wing about it though - or any other wing for that matter ?
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>> Projecting forward the events of the last few years, I think we can expect an
>> increasing proportion of immigrants who will want to attract their families and probably alter the
>> reproduction rate ?
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>> The traditional picture of a white-majority 'British' population may slowly vanish.
For the UK as a whole 75% identify as white British. A further ~5% are European.
London white British are 37% - compared to rural Devon at 90-95%. I live ~10 miles from both Bristol and Bath, both sizeable cities. Bristol has 72%, Bath 86%.
Falling birth rates are skewed - some ethnicities will grow faster than others. Assuming nothing changes (a dangerous assumption) it will still be 100+ years before white British are outnumbered nationally.
Educationally many ethnic groups outperform white British, encouraged by a greater cultural work ethic. They increasingly populate the professional classes in medicine, law, finance etc etc. Simple resentment of their achievements by some is unjustified - the solution is to try harder.
I can understand why there are tensions as personal experience varies greatly depending on where one lives. This is not justification for the behaviour of the balacave clad!
Personally I welcome increased diversity. The concept of nationhood is slowiy being displaced by a global community characterised by the relatively unimpeded flow (Trump permitting!!) of goods, food, services, cultures etc etc.
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The first generation of migrants will have their views and actions shaped by what they grew up with as well as where they are now. The second generation will have grown up in the UK and will mostly have a UK view of things. This can cause a clash with their parents views. The third generation will have totally UK views and be indistinguishable from anyone else. They will also most likely have inter married.
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>> The second generation will have grown up in the UK and will mostly have a UK view of things. >>
I believe there are districts in Yorkshire and the Midlands which are still densely ethnic and where English is still a second language for many. The assimilation you describe does not always happen.
I remember briefly visiting Blackburn about 20 years ago and being struck by the high proportion of Asians, and also by the contrast between those who remained ethnic and the others who had more clearly integrated.
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I remember visiting the Dordogne and being struck by the large numbers of English couples and also by the contrast between those who only spoke English and the others who had more clearly integrated and learnt French
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>> I believe there are districts in Yorkshire and the Midlands which are still densely ethnic
Densely white ethnic?
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>> >> I believe there are districts in Yorkshire and the Midlands which are still densely
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Mapping of ethnic concentrations based on the census coutesy of ONS. It demonstrates how regional and even local the ethnic mix is.
www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps/choropleth/identity/ethnic-group/ethnic-group-tb-6a/white
Unsurprising as newly arrived groups will tend to feel more comfortable and settle where there is an existing like minded community sharing the same religion, culture, language etc. Helps with initial integration - finding jobs, getting healthcare, education etc etc.
Probably takes 3 generations+ (60-80 yrears+) before populations start to disperse influenced (probably) by UK education, changing family relationships, first generation immigrants dying, familiarity with UK cultures and behaviours, engaging in a diversity of careers, changing diets etc etc etc.
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>> Densely white ethnic? <<
As a personal example of why some resident Brits resent what they see happening, I would cite a contemporary of my parents, whose son became CEO of Luton town council, so Dad moved from Suffolk to join him in Luton. Son then retired to live in Provence, leaving Dad on his own (tho he managed to drive to Provence each summer until he was 100). By then he said he felt marooned in a sea of Asians. I don't think he actively resented this, but I know it saddened him.
If you have grown up in a 'densely white ethnic' community it must be unsettling to feel you are now living somewhere else. Most Brits who spent their working lives in India (like my grandfather) always expected to return to Blighty, not to settle.
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"If you have grown up in a 'densely white ethnic' community it must be unsettling to feel you are now living somewhere else."
The "mob" in Portsmouth weren't all there last Sunday to cause trouble, but just needed to vent their frustration at where they see their city and the wider country going. If you were born and bred in Pompey and lived there for 40, 50, 60+ years you'll have seen massive changes in the make up of the population. It's the UK's most densely populated city with many social issues. A football team which, despite it's sometimes lacklustre performance, still draws capacity crowds. And a naval city with many residents connected to (and very proud of) the Navy and dockyard. I may not share their passion, but I can see why they feel the need to protest.
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>> By then he said he felt marooned in a sea
>> of Asians. I don't think he actively resented this, but I know it saddened him.
Luton has been the focus of a large Asian community since the 1960s having been attracted by jobs in manufacturing - Luton was once home to Vauxhall. I know having been brought up in St Albans about 12 miles away.
He may have felt marooned - but it is a bit like complaining about aircraft noise if you move close to an airport.
>> If you have grown up in a 'densely white ethnic' community it must be unsettling
>> to feel you are now living somewhere else. Most Brits who spent their working lives
>> in India (like my grandfather) always expected to return to Blighty, not to settle.
Many years ago I travelled freuently to India on business - so not the usual tourist trail. Two overriding memories of my first visit:
- passport control and customs in Delhi - a sea of people all pushing and shoving to get to the front. In the UK we politely queue! I decided that the only way I was going to get on my flight to Madras was to push as well
- in the departure lounge waiting for the Madras flight I was 1 of 2 white faces out of several hundred. I then properly understood how uncomfortable it felt like to be an ethnic minority - even without any sense of bigotry etc.
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>> For the UK as a whole 75% identify as white British. A further ~5% are European. <<
What were the numbers (say) 50 years ago ? That might give a less debatable reference point.
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Cheers Terry. That's clarified it and it makes sense to me now.
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>> Some would suggest that
>> it is driven by long term Russian interference in the background to destabilise law and
>> order.
It's not just Russian interference towards this end. It's American, too. Not the American state necessarily (although I wouldn't put it past the current President and his team), but wealthy businessmen.
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Kent police have admitted today that they knew about the plans for the Dover protest the day before but underestimated the eventual number of people on the day.
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I read that the Portsmouth/Southampton mob started off as a local protest in the afternoon after a young, teenage boy was raped by an Afghani refugee. The boat then arrived later, was refused landing by Southhampton and Portsmouth (the latter I believe because it's a naval dockyard). The mob was probably aware of the earlier demo and possibly alerted to the boat arriving, giving them time to get there.
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"The Mob" was out again last night at the Marriott hotel in Portsmouth protesting that a coach load of illegal immigrants were being put up there. They quickly left after being reassured it was a Pakistani cricket team on tour.
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Presumably none of these malevolent fascist thugs in balaclavas were complaining about wearing "face nappies" six years ago, or ever complain about people wearing the burqa, enthusiastic face covering wearers that they are.
Fat coked up cowards is what they are, wound up and set upon the law abiding public by the likes of Nigel Farage, Elon Musk and the owners of disgraceful fascist rags like the Daily Telegraph, Mail and Express, to further their project to install an anti-democratic, nativist, fascist government in the UK, along the lines of the Trump administration. Well I say nativist, but of course in America those pursuing this project are far from native themselves, as they don't live on Reservations.
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Nice to hear a balanced view ;-)
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Yes, but what do you really think?
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Disruption at Dover today - Rudedog
