Does anyone know why M1 was closed between J5 & J6 yesterday night?
It was a massive queue and I was there standstill for 3 hours :-(
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Usually its because there has a been a minor prang, but the Wombles close it as a 'crime scene', delighting in the power they momentarily have and the inconvenience they cause to other users out of all proportion to the original incident...
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I searched web for any news about accident but couldn't find anything which may mean it was not a serious accident.
I think people suffered following consequences
- Some people missed flights (someone asked me from another car how they could reach Luton airport using alternate roads)
- Some people ran out of fuel (a lot of cars were waiting on hard shoulder with passengers behind metal barrier)
- People with infants suffered a lot (I had my 2-week old daugher in the car and she was quite upset)
- People were chaning lanes dangerously. I don't understand what makes sometone think that other lane is faster when no one is moving an inch.
- Some people might had to answer nature's call inside the car or on the bushes
... and some morons were using hard shoulder to bypass the queue %$!¬&^
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>> Usually its because there has a been a minor prang, but the Wombles close it
>> as a 'crime scene', delighting in the power they momentarily have and the inconvenience they
>> cause to other users out of all proportion to the original incident...
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Do you have any evidence at all for that statement?
Wombles don't close motorways. Police do, but not for fun. With maybe 15,000 vehicles per hour trying to join or continue on the M1 at 6A northbound, any incident is going to be a big problem.
Try blaming the inattentive, tailgating, brake dabbing, phone using, lane jumping berks who cause these incidents in the first place, and be grateful when you or your family are not the victims.
No, I don't know what happened either.
Last edited by: Manatee on Sat 16 Oct 10 at 11:29
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Highways agency website news pages carried this yesterday:
"The M1 northbound is closed between junctions J5 and J6, due to an incident. The road is expected to re-open from 02:15hrs on 16th October 2010. The access slip road onto the M1 northbound at J5 has also been closed.
A diversion route has been implemented. Traffic should exit the motorway at J5, follow the hollow-diamond diversion signs, and re-join the M1 at Junction 6. Please note however, that there are long delays on the M1 northbound, approaching the closure at J5."
hth
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Tailgating should be an offence and carry a stiffer penalty than speeding in my opinion. Doing 90mph five hundred yards away from the nearest other vehicle on a motorway is not especially dangerous if conditions are good but tailgating at 70 mph is potentially lethal.
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Totally agree Humph. Unnecessary and irresponsible braking certainly causes more congestion, and probably as many accidents, as excessive speed.
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We don't need evidence, it's there for us all to see. Police or Wombles, either way they do seem to enjoy creating as much inconvenience as possible.
As for blaming the "tailgating, brake dabbing, phone using, lane jumping berks who cause these incidents in the first place", yes I'm all for it but we don't do we? On the odd occasion all that CSI work does turn up a culprit they get a slap on the wrist and 3 points!
Then we have "be grateful when you or your family are not the victims.", struth, give it a rest will you.
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>> We don't need evidence, it's there for us all to see. Police or Wombles, either
>> way they do seem to enjoy creating as much inconvenience as possible.
I can't say I've seen that myself. Unless you happen to be right by the incident then you aren't going to see or know anything really.
My one personal experience of wombles was very good, I won't bore you with the details but they were excellent - calm and efficient. They stopped the traffic on the M42 for about 3 minutes to retrieve some debris, made sure we were sorted and got on their way.
>> Then we have "be grateful when you or your family are not the victims.", struth,
>> give it a rest will you.
Not sure what's upset you about that. When I'm held up and stressed I find it helps me to relax a little to consider the positives. It may be trite, but it is a fact that thinking of others puts your own problems in perspective.
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I'm with Manatee on this one.
The M1 incident, as with so many others, was almost certainly caused by a poor error of judgment by a driver.
It was not caused by those tasked to clear up the mess.
Yes, it's frustrating to be delayed, but better to be sat in your car with your legs crossed than smeared all over the road.
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On the weekend of the Goodwood FOS in early July I was heading south on the M1. I left Middlesbrough at 5pm ish and heard on the radio that the M1 north was closed for a serious accident and air ambulance etc.. We passed the scene at around 730-8pm ish. There was a car half way up the embankment with its roof cut off, looked pretty bad. There was a police car parked on the hard shoulder just where the car was, with two policemen stood by the car and nothing else in the carriageway. The road was still closed (presumably for investigation work). There were a few more police cars where the road was actually closed. When we arrived in Chichester (where we were staying) at 1030pm the road was still closed.
I know when there is a serious injury or fatality they have to investigate, but how long does it take?
Last edited by: PR on Mon 18 Oct 10 at 14:44
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My father was policeman, we lived for several years on the edge of the A66 north of Scotch Corner (Greta Bridge for those who know the area) in a badged police house with office attached.
As a 4/5 year old I frequently chatted to casualties, often still covered in blood, who had been left in our hall while they waited for another ambulance to take them to hospital.
My father used to do the initial first aid (if he was not out on the beat), organise ambulances, question drivers, organise vehicle recovery and accident investigation and any prosecutions arising.
These days they have specialist investigators and they may have been waiting for one to arrive on the scene before they opened the road and destroyed all the evidence.
Keep things in perspective, I would rather be in the queue than the cause of the queue.
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I have no issue with the road being closed for a time after an incident. After all, sorting out the mess has to be done and the road often needs to be closed to do that.
What tends to bug me is the lack of information given to drivers heading for the queues. Last time I was stuck in a road closure I must have gone past about 4-5 gantries all of which were switched off. I therefore joined a long static queue when I could have diverted beforehand if the gantries had told me of a problem. Last time I was in Paris I was amazed at the amount of information our taxi driver was getting, allowing him to change direction to avoid a blocked section.
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Some of the problems arise from the civilianisation of some roles that were once done by police officers.
They do not necessarily have contracts that require them to turn up near the end of an established shift and/or are not subject to being a member of a disciplined service, so cannot be ordered back to work.
This means that what once could have been done in the middle of the night has to wait until morning...e.g. scenes of crime work and photography.
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Westpig, it grieves me to say that that does not surprise me in the slightest...
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Movilogo - it was a fatal involving a motorcyclist. More info here bit.ly/dxzfuJ
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M1 closure yesterday night (15 Oct) - Boxsterboy
