That cat Mandelson appears to have used up all of his nine lives with some very serious jail time on the cards. The randy Windsor formerly known as Prince must be seriously quaking in his boots too, as more and more of the Epstein files are released. In the Andrew Lownie book "Entitled", a Palace insider is quoted as saying if it ever becomes public knowledge what the Royal Family (Including the late queen) knew about it they would be finished as an institution.
Either way, when the dust settles they will have been heavily damaged by the whole business. And I can't see any way Starmer will survive this, probably to the benefit of his party.
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If only jail time were a real possibility.
Legal commentary suggests that Misconduct in Public Office is a difficult offence to charge and an even more difficult one to convict. Police investigations framed around political events - see partygate - often get in a mess too.
A M-W is another kettle of fish. His Mother doted on him and wouldn't see his actions as any more than high jinks.
I think it's William who made his father grow a spine and sack off the former prince.
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Probably somewhat controversially, and putting aside what a massive sleazebag he is, I'm not clear what Andrew did which was illegal. at least under UK law.
What is surprising me now is the range of VIPs involved, and we're only hearing about those we know of. I'm sure there are hundreds of others.
Also the money sloshing round in these circles - him paying $11k dollars to fly Fergie and daughter over to see him, and dishing out dosh to Mandy. I suppose to true millionaires it's pocket money.
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>> Probably somewhat controversially, and putting aside what a massive sleazebag he is, I'm not clear
>> what Andrew did which was illegal. at least under UK law.
If Virginia Roberts had been trafficked was sex with her truly consensual?
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>> >> Probably somewhat controversially, and putting aside what a massive sleazebag he is, I'm not
>> clear
>> >> what Andrew did which was illegal. at least under UK law.
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>> If Virginia Roberts had been trafficked was sex with her truly consensual?
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If she was trafficked then sex would not have been consensual and therefore would have been rape.
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There's an "if" there.
So "if" she was, did Andrew know (yes, I know we expect he did but it feels we're starting to scrabble round for something to pin on him already! :-) )
However, again being somewhat controversial, I know we now believe that 18 is too young to choose, and she likely was being exploited etc etc but I believe it's a fact that some people historically have willingly and knowingly sold themselves for sex (or even given it away), and some of those go on to regret it later (in a different, more enlightened maybe, age), and a small handful of those, in that later more enlightened age, see opportunity there (which is a generalised comment and not relating to this matter).
NB I will shortly stop defending this stance here because I believe what has happened is really fairly indefensible in a moral way but I was thinking of the legality. But there are still plenty of men who pay for sexual services all around the world, and plenty of women offering them.
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>> Also the money sloshing round in these circles - him paying $11k dollars to fly
>> Fergie and daughter over to see him,
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why o why ? In the entire sordid affair, that trio of munters could get the job as under studies in Macbeth, Scene 1, Act 1.
No make up required.
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I'm Mandy, Fry Me - Bromptonaut
