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 Fri 12 Sep 25 17:10 
 Charlie Kirk - Fullchat
So the land of the free, the right to bear arms and free speech has taken another victim.
I didn't realise that he was so aligned to the Trump's Republican party.
From what I have seen of him. I quite liked the way he quickly dealt with and put downs of the leftist woke.
Listening to the self congratulation of law enforcement investigaton and arrest of the suspect is quite nauseating. How much smoke can be blown up a posterior?
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 Fri 12 Sep 25 17:21 
 Charlie Kirk - Zero
Well he certainly has been blown up into a martyr by the extreme right wing anti woke brigade in the states. To the rest of the world he was a virutally unknown nothing.

Of course the major enabler of his assassination, is the right wings delusion with "the right to bear arms. ironic really.

As far as free speech goes in the US, its gone, only the right type is approved.

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 Fri 12 Sep 25 17:35 
 Charlie Kirk - Lygonos
Apparently he articulated some gun deaths were an acceptable part of the "God-given" right to bear arms.

Pow.

“It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”

x.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272
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 Fri 12 Sep 25 18:25 
 Charlie Kirk - sooty123
I'd not heard of him, but he was very popular with the under 25s even in this country.

Sadly another in a long line of political murders in the US.
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 Fri 12 Sep 25 21:11 
 Charlie Kirk - Robin O'Reliant
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>> Sadly another in a long line of political murders in the US.
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Not just the USA, two MP's have been murdered in this country in the last decade. The internet social media sites are full of people wishing death on anyone who disagrees with them, and it is all too easy to convince themselves and others that it is acceptable to put their fantasies into reality.
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 Fri 12 Sep 25 21:21 
 Charlie Kirk - sooty123
I don't think we've had the history of it to the extent the US have.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 08:06 
 Charlie Kirk - Duncan
Don't forget 'The God given right to bear arms'.

It leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 11:40 
 Charlie Kirk - Kevin
>It leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.

Because that is not what he said although the extreme left have been spreading that narrative.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:02 
 Charlie Kirk - James Loveless
In his own words: "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights." (5 April 2023)

Clearly his words imply the Second Amendment (the right to bear arms) is one of the "God-given rights".
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:49 
 Charlie Kirk - Kevin
No. If you take it in context and do a bit of background research he says that we accept road deaths as the price of mobility etc. and that gun deaths are the price paid for protecting 'other' rights.

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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:12 
 Charlie Kirk - Zero

>> Because that is not what he said although the extreme left have been spreading that
>> narrative.
Extreme left? In the states? Oh P*** off you sound like Donald. The is no such thing in the states, it's a trumpian catch phrase, the best they get to extreme left wing is greenish liberal
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:30 
 Charlie Kirk - Terry
Extreme right or left is dog whistle stuff.

UK - extreme left - any to the left of Tony Blair. Extreme right - any to the right of Theresa May.

An insult to ones intelligence used in both the UK and US by the media and opponents of whatever is proposed. Complete nonsense of course.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 13:58 
 Charlie Kirk - Robin O'Reliant
>> Extreme right or left is dog whistle stuff.
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>> UK - extreme left - any to the left of Tony Blair. Extreme right -
>> any to the right of Theresa May.
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>> An insult to ones intelligence used in both the UK and US by the media
>> and opponents of whatever is proposed. Complete nonsense of course.
>>

Bang on. It's now become a term applied to anyone who disagrees with a particular point of view.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:34 
 Charlie Kirk - Kevin
I said it to deliberately P you off after your extreme right post.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:46 
 Charlie Kirk - sooty123
>> I said it to deliberately P you off after your extreme right post.
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Are you saying there's no extreme right wing in the US or he's not going to become a martyr to them? Or something else?
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:53 
 Charlie Kirk - Kevin
No. I'm saying that it isn't just the extreme or plain ordinary right that are trying to claim that he's a martyr.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 13:10 
 Charlie Kirk - Kevin
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dxexl7glvo
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 13:14 
 Charlie Kirk - sooty123
>> No. I'm saying that it isn't just the extreme or plain ordinary right that are
>> trying to claim that he's a martyr.
>>


I don't think he'll be remembered politically. There'll be more influencers/politicians killed in the coming years.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 13:32 
 Charlie Kirk - Kevin
I think that you're right. Unfortunately on both.
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 12:42 
 Charlie Kirk - Biggles aka B_i_G
Wasn't Vance criticising the UK for it abuse of the right to free speeh?
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/13/charlie-kirk-shooting-people-fired-social-media
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 Sat 13 Sep 25 16:37 
 Charlie Kirk - Terry
>> Wasn't Vance criticising the UK for it abuse of the right to free speeh?
>> www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/13/charlie-kirk-shooting-people-fired-social-media

The UK felt it necessary to send five armed officers to arrest Graham Linehan (an Irish citizen) on arrival at Heathrow for some tweets made some months earler. A gross response to that which many would regard as a reasonable opinion (with which one may reasonably disagree).

People in the UK and the US need to accept that the right to free speech comes with a risk of sometimes being offended. Speech is not free if the only opinion allowed aligns with whatever you happen to hold dear!

Vance was entirely right to be critical of the UK - but seems to be lacking the wit to realise that the US is at least equally deficient in the democratic free speach stakes.

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 Sat 13 Sep 25 20:36 
 Charlie Kirk - Bromptonaut
>> The UK felt it necessary to send five armed officers to arrest Graham Linehan (an
>> Irish citizen) on arrival at Heathrow for some tweets made some months earler. A gross
>> response to that which many would regard as a reasonable opinion (with which one may
>> reasonably disagree).

Officers at LHR may well be routinely armed.

Linehan's no innocent where this stuff is concerned and I suspect has history of not 'coming quietly' when challenged.

How about we wait and see what happens next?
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