Motoring Discussion > FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes
Thread Author: tyrednemotional Replies: 39

 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
We've been mulling over changing the motorhome for some time. Over the past few months we've variously got to within an inch of buying a panel van conversion and downsizing (but at the last minute I did my usual weight calculations and ended up with negative payload) and deciding we're keeping the current 'van and then putting (not cheap) new tyres on.

We then revisited our initial thoughts and had a view of a hard to locate replacement of a similar size, different layout, narrow/light coachbuilt of a different make. It was second-hand (and albeit quite new had not been well treated) but it re-awakened our interest. Though fairly rare beasts, I managed to locate a new one, automatic, with all the options we wanted and, just as importantly none that we didn't, but in the Newton Abbot branch of the same company the current 'van cam from. Not the most convenient of locations, but less than 10 miles from my daughter in Torquay.

So, we arranged to reserve it, view on Saturday, and if all was well purchase on Sunday (subject to the pre-agreed p/ex value being underwritten after their viewing. All went well (with a little "snagging" and a small number of additions to sort on the new one) so we pick up in a couple of weeks.

Whilst I was a bit wary, we managed to park up for the night with the current 'van on my daughter's drive (and were even allowed inside overnight ;-) ). There's plenty of room in front of the house, but a 200 yard narrow unmade road to reverse down (no chance of turning a 7m vehicle at the end). It was rather easier than anticipated.

Current 'van is getting on 7 years old, all in our ownership, but has worn its years well, and has been mechanically mollycoddled. It was invoiced new at £67k, and has been p/exed at £50k which, though the market has been quite buoyant for some time, isn't bad depreciation at around 25% over 7 years (c 2.5k a year in ownership).

I'd had a brake squeal on and off over the last year (common on Ducatos) and had managed to quieten it by stripping and cleaning the brakes, but it was eventually back. A couple of weeks ago I stripped one (the noisy) side again, and wasn't happy as the pads seemed to be delaminating slightly. It's another common Ducato problem (particularly those used as motorhomes) and it went onto the to-do list (possibly with new discs, though these were in-spec), in the next few weeks.

The imminent exchanging, combined with several associated long trips to and from the SW rather pricked my conscience and safety awareness, and I decided that, as a "hidden danger" I'd rather it was remedied. So, the day before it went to Newton Abbot I sourced a set of pads locally and fitted (both sides of course). Pad change isn't the most difficult of tasks (I have a piston compressor) but the Ducato's mechanics are pretty heavy duty. The worst part is getting the wheels back on. They're large and heavy and the hubs aren't studded, the wheels are bolted on and lining up with the vehicle jacked whilst trying to get at least one bolt in is back-breaking work.

Anyway, though I could have done without the task, £44 and 3 hours of my time later I was much happier and my conscience much clearer. Not least because the delamination on the original side was already somewhat worse, and there was a parallel crack in the friction material. The other side looked like one pad was just starting to delaminate. Plenty of wear left in all four pads otherwise.

And....the 'van stopped and went ok on the journey out and back despite me having played with it.

I just didn't feel I could pass the 'van on with a hidden fault of that nature.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Kevin
>The worst part is getting the wheels back on. They're large and heavy and the hubs
>aren't studded, the wheels are bolted on and lining up with the vehicle jacked
>whilst trying to get at least one bolt in is back-breaking work.

Easiest way that I've found to do that is to sit on floor with one leg each side of hub, roll the wheel between knees and then lift by bending knees.

Or get the wife to lift the wheel while you put the bolts in.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Bobby
So what is make/ model etc of the new van?
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Adria Compact Supreme DL.

The base vehicle has more electronic control options than a 747. (an extended warranty is therefore being seriously considered).

A bit like this one but without the leather.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgzbkjk2kBQ
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Zero
Adria? nicely built vans. Was tempted by an Adria Action van but opted for the Basecamp as the ergonomics in the Adria were a bit compromised
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Bromptonaut
We looked at an Adria when we bought the 304. I think it was called the Shannon but a then local outfit did then as dealer specials with, amongst other things an electric add on for the gas heater.

In the end though it wasn't quite as good ergonomically as the 304 which is an absolute Tardis and had a much better dinette layout.

Away in the 304 over the weekend at CAMC Wyatts Covert; first outing this year. Scrounged 8 hours leave at short notice to add today.

It's still a pretty good piece of kit. It was though a bit of a 'mare on Friday having been cold soaked for weeks so wringing with condensation added to which the fridge and water were both playing up. All good by Saturday eve.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Bobby
92 grand!!! Holy moly
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - zippy
>> 92 grand!!! Holy moly
>>

It does look very nice though.

My first house cost less than a third of that! :-D
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional

>>
>> My first house cost less than a third of that! :-D
>>

Mine was about a sixth.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
>> 92 grand!!! Holy moly
>>

What's good enough for SNP leaders...,..

(It's the cost to change that counts when you already own one. The current equivalent Hymer to mine is around £110k, which is really taking the p. So much so that the dealers have stopped ordering for stock)

There aren't no pockets in shrouds, and "Rachel from accounts" is hovering.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Zero
The kevin way is the best for us aged ole geets
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Biggles
Or a wheel dolly
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Fullchat
Are the brake pad issues as a result of rust and sticking to the discs then driving due to long periods of being parked up?
I trashed a set of Picanto rear pads like that.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
>> Are the brake pad issues as a result of rust and sticking to the discs
>> then driving due to long periods of being parked up?

I don't think so. The front brakes shouldn't really be in contact when parked up, and on the Ducato (at least until recently) neither should the rears. The handbrake is "drum in hat", with disk for the service brake, and a central (small) drum within the disk with small shoes for the handbrake. That Ducato handbrake is notoriously carp, and a source of a good few MOT failures.

New van has EPB on rear disks, no "drum in hat", so hopefully better.

Whilst the 'van gets parked up for longer periods than a normal car, it is used regularly and all year round. I suspect it's a result of both age (the 'van, not mine!) and it running at or near max load all the time.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Kevin
>Or a wheel dolly

I thought I mentioned that?
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Biggles
Ha, ha!
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Bromptonaut
>> >The worst part is getting the wheels back on. They're large and heavy and the
>> hubs
>> >aren't studded, the wheels are bolted on and lining up with the vehicle jacked
>> >whilst trying to get at least one bolt in is back-breaking work.

Every sympathy with that. Getting ordinary alloys back onto the Berlingo is a pain.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - bathtub tom
Mercedes used to provide a rod that screwed into a wheel bolt thread and you hung a wheel on it to aid changing wheels. I've seen them advertised for most vehicles.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - legacylad
A few times, since retirement, I’ve considered a small motorhome, but never for long. I have 4 friends who own them, ranging from small VW types to great big things. They all use them, a lot, both for single overnights 3x a week, and two month continental trips.
I just prefer the simplicity and ease of getting in my car and heading off with tent, ferry to Dieppe or Santander/Bilbao, camping on a site if the weather is suitable, or staying B & B, hotel, Casa Rural wherever I find myself.
Never booking more than a few hours in advance, prefer to simply wing it.
Car hire can be really cheap…€81 for 15 days next week from ALC, so two cars, four of us in a luxury villa costing €850 pw, so about £25 each per night.


 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
We usually get somewhere North of 80 nights a year away in the 'van, using it all year round. (If you think that the current 'van depreciated by around £2.5k a year, that doesn't seem bad!)

Due to the different circumstances, we generally book in the UK. In more than 30 years I've only booked on the Continent a handful of times. Helsinki because we knew when we were going to arrive, and there was one obvious site to use and since we subsequently found it was the first day of their main school holidays (in May!) we were glad we had; Dublin, again, time known and rumours were it would be busy (it wasn't); and Delft to avoid having to search for somewhere after a late-ish arrival at The Hook.

I've also recently booked an Aire in the centre of Tournai (12 spaces, just off the centre) for our first night out.

Otherwise, we just follow our noses using aires/Stellplätze, generally finding the quieter places and exploring.

It ain't for everyone, but it suits us, and we've certainly visited interesting places between North of the Arctic Circle and mid-Italy we wouldn't have done using different methods.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - henry k
>> ... a rod that screwed into a wheel bolt thread and you hung a wheel on it to aid changing wheels.
I've seen them advertised for most vehicles.
>>
see Wheel fitting removal alignment tool on the usual site
Available from about £8
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
I've just caught up with myself again and, as I was binning the pads I'd taken off I stuck a little screwdriver lightly between the backing plate and the friction material on the one I was concerned about.......and half the friction material simply separated and broke off :-O

The one from the other side that looked like it was just starting was still firmly attached.

I'm now rather relieved (and avoiding looking at the rears).
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Fullchat
Due to a rear brake issue on my Sportage I had to replace discs, pads and handbrake shoes. I sourced the parts from GSF, a reputable source. The pads were Drivetec, a budget brand that they seem to seem to sell a lot of.
They were rubbish. Even with a metal file I could not get them to fit properly (they were the correct ones). Even the friction material looked tatty.
Exchanged and paid more for Delphi. They fitted and the whole pad looked better quality.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - zippy
>>They were rubbish...

This seems to be happening a lot now. The customer is quality control.

 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Fullchat
I think there's a fine line between counterfeit and budget parts.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Zero
>> I think there's a fine line between counterfeit and budget parts.

the packaging mostly..... I am always annoyed the factors never sell a kit, pads yes, but no guides or wear sensors,
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
My pads came with wear sensors on 2 of the 4 (one too many as only only one side is wired), shims and replacement slider bolts.

The shims didn't fit though - not enough clearance on the disc. That wasn't much of a surprise as the same pads fit three thicknesses of disc, and mine was the middle size (various sites I use warn that additional shims might be required, and I know of people who've had the same issue). I re-used the existing shims after cleaning and ceramic greasing.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Well, the deal is now done.

Best part of a 400 mile round journey on Thursday to complete the swap.

Most surprising result was the fuel consumption of the new 'van on return. I got 35mpg on the meter from the old one on the way down. That's about as good as I ever got in the UK, and it was of course lightly loaded. I'm light-footed, but not particularly slow overall.

The new 'van has a 60 litre tank (vs 90 on the old one - it's a motorhome thing where they can then quote a theoretically larger payload. It was of a bit of a concern when buying, but all the UK imports come like that. Anyway, well into the journey back the fuel gauge didn't appear to be dropping very quickly. I managed, in the plethora of display options to find the average consumption (the trip had been relatively easy to zero as we set off). Unfortunately the units were l/100km rather than MPG, and converting in my head was a challenge, but my quick calculations indicated something well North of 40mpg. It dropped a bit by the time we got home, but a proper calculation then indicated 41mpg (confirmed by later changing the display units).

The weight, frontal profile and engine power (from a revised engine) are roughly the same, the new gearbox is a TC auto, however. The route was a mix, about 50/50, of A roads and Motorways. That MPG is quite difficult to believe, even though the fuel gauge and trip meter are in broad agreement, so I won't, yet. (German motorhome magazines have been quite impressed by the fuel consumption figures from the 8-speed auto box, which is a very recent replacement for a 9-speed ZF box, which has proven troublesome).

Lots of work now reloading and fettling the new 'van before we get away for our first trip.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Kevin
..but all the UK imports come like that.

Is it RHD? What proportion of your time behind the wheel is spent on the correct side of the road as opposed to driving in Europe?
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Yes RHD. Certainly more mileage will be done in Europe, but probably less days (or at least, half and half).

In general, I don't find it an issue on the continent, and RHD is what I'm used to.

(It's generally possible - in theory - to order a 'van with any of the options, the issue is availability and waiting time. The converters order their base vehicles well in advance and tend to be conservative on the options choice/mix, especially the continental converters who have low RHD demand (relatively) and short RHD production runs. You could wait 12 to 18 months for certain base vehicle options, the chassis being a special order).

As an example, the 'van I've just traded in came with the long-arm mirrors (known as Elephant Ears). They are extremely vulnerable (I lost one in Devon to white-van man). Being a relatively narrow-bodied coachbuilt, it didn't need the wide mirrors, but Hymer order all their chassis with these for production flexibility - they can build any of their range, narrow to wide, on such a chassis.

The new 'van, which is almost exactly the same width, eschews even the medium-arm mirrors and manages, with no issues, with the short-arm panel-van size. It makes for considerably more relaxed driving on narrow roads.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Having largely finished the fettling, this week has been the first sea-trials outing with the 'van.

Three nights in Warwick and now in Bristol for 3 nights. The current Mrs nE isn't up to full speed yet following bionic hip number 2, but at 10 weeks she's managed 10 miles. The urban destinations give us options.

A bit of snagging to catch up with, but largely ok, and surprisingly the fuel consumption is still hovering around 40mpg. 8-O

But......

A mad cyclist has added to the snagging. Waiting at a roundabout at Evesham a one pulled up rather unsteadily on the pavement slightly behind me, at 90 degrees obviously wanting to cross. I pulled forward as the car in front went, but had to slow for a car on the roundabout. Thought I heard a bump, and the cyclist was rather unsteadily manoeuvring his bike. Didn't stop (as he was still upright and I was in the roundabout) but at the next services a check revealed two long scrapes on the garage door, and a number of scratches (and a small dent).

He either rolled of the kerb inadvertently, or more likely went for a gap that wasn't there yet, given me rolling forward slowly.

The long scrapes wiped off (plastic off the bike?) and I think all bar the dent will polish out). Considering pinging Worcs police just for the record, though
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Bobby
Would that not count, in insurance terms, of having an “accident” and need declared?
I wouldn’t be reporting it.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Quite possibly, but not having exchanged details, not reporting it is an RTA offence. If someone else has subsequently reported it.........

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Zero
The cyclist could have personal injury, in which case not reporting it is an offence. I would log it with the ole bill, it has the potential to go TU very qucikly.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Indeed. Hit and run would rather better describe behaviour, but there's no way I'd like to invite such an accusation of myself

It was reported online shortly after my op.

(Wasn't at all sure there'd been any contact until the later inspection, but his behaviour observed in the mirror had made me suspicious. FWIW, I'll restate that he tried to cross the road from pavement to pavement through the back of my 'van going slow towards a roundabout! He wasn't on the road.)
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
That should have read:

Indeed. Hit and run would rather better describe his behaviour, but there's no way I'd like to invite such an accusation of myself
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Zero
Well I think you should turn in the Fiat, and be a MANN.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPkrR3dkj7g&ab_channel=MANvoyage4x4

At the very least, mr cyclist would be a mere squashed fly mark.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
Apparently, Fiat Professional do a very nice aftermarket line in Boadicea knives......

Hmmm
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - tyrednemotional
....and just to round it off, my p/ex van appears to have been sold inside two weeks of me chopping it in. Taxed in the last couple of days, and no longer listed for sale.

If it went for, or close to asking price it's a lot of money for a 7-year old van, even if it does wear the years well.

(I've always tried to look after my vans. A previous p/ex went off to a show the same day and was bought by the first viewer).

Meanwhile Bristol, which is always "lively", is absolutely bouncing in the hot weather.
 FIAT Ducato Sevel X250 - Conscience and brakes - Kevin
>Meanwhile Bristol, which is always "lively", is absolutely bouncing in
>the hot weather.

Looks popular. Did you need to book a pitch in advance?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-68597681
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