From the land of the scared witless:
Police set up a sign advising of a random drug checks ahead (picture in story link). However they didn't set the check on the road ahead, they set it on the first available exit from the highway, a rarely used off ramp.
They bagged some drugs busts by the number of people diverting off at the rarely used off ramp.
420tribune.com/2010/03/narcotics-checkpoint/
Unfair or just smart policing?
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Unusual site that, how did you find it.;)
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Would probably be considered unfair and a trap in the UK, personaly I think its a great idea.
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Smart policing. Can't see why it would be illegal in UK - roadworks signs are not always explicit about being on the offslip rather than carriageway!!!
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I was thinking along the lines of Robert Peel would turn in his grave and its just not Cricket,
but then its no worse than those cars they set up to catch the thieving toe rags.
If it achieves the desired result - go for it!
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UK doesn't have an entrapment defence. It is still wrong whether someone encouraged you or not.
freebeagles.org/articles/entrapment.html
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So what about the UK police forces that set up speed traps a mile apart? There are some, and the second one is always the most busy.
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>From the land of the scared witless:
That's from the US not Europe.
The yanks take their drug trade and border security rather more seriously than we do.
In addition to border controls, every interstate I've driven that connects to Mexico has another Customs checkpoint about 10 to 20 miles further into the US. They all seem to keep a spaniel as a pet as well.
Kevin...
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Perfectly foul, and perfectly half-witted. On everyone's part.
Honestly Sheikh Rattolo. Do you want us to believe that you are some sort of goody-goody?
I thought you were one of these famous dringe binkers you are said to have in the offshore bits of the continent I am infesting at present... Rockall was it? Iceland? Some sink of iniquity of that sort.
Faugh, Rattle. And fie.
Dog too.
'Et tu, Brute? Then fall, Caesar!'
Bruddy herr...
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Mon 20 Sep 10 at 22:24
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My mates do a bit of a dope occasionaly but I just avoid it. I am a bad goody goody if that makes any sense! I have nothing against the drugs them selves its the supply chain I have problems with. I see the wider picture of making trafficers rich etc.
At least if I buy a pint its been made legally, tax has been made from it all and the brewerys are not shooting each other to control towns.
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Today (maybe stronger) cannabis can cause serious mental health problems years after a user has stopped using the drug. Just a public health warning to follow up on Rattle's comment. Forget legality, cannabis can lead to (for example) psychosis or similar.
I like the idea of the story originally reported above. If it's not legal to do this it ought to be ;-)
Last edited by: rtj70 on Mon 20 Sep 10 at 23:17
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Its one of the reasons I just avoid it, I said to them I am cool with it providing you don't talk me into taking it.
I think my biggest drug issue is actually caffiene, I am adicted to it.
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>> cannabis can cause serious mental health problems years after a user has stopped using the drug
Years after? I've never seen that claimed before.
Last time i touched the stuff a (good looking) guy touched me. I was half way through 3rd year at uni. New guy at work (call centre evening job), really decent guy, we all went out that night, was a great night, later me & him went back to his - he grew the stuff and i was mucho skinto and really digging my new mate's willingness to share.
Despite being a total hit with the girls we had earlier that night, he hit on me, not suggesting, actual touching, although thankfully i was clothed. He had lost his shirt somehow in the 20 mins we were in his living room to that point.
Escape quick sharp and not because of that incident just a change in life i've never touched it since (it was probably the walk home did it for me, very light rain, felt electric on my face in a way it never had affected me before, drove me psycho as i floated home, spent the rest of the night falling through my bed).
Current employer makes it widely known there is no drugs testing policy. Off to Holland this week too... (i wont though :)
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>> >> cannabis can cause serious mental health problems years after a user has stopped using
>> the drug
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>> Years after? I've never seen that claimed before.
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The son of a friend in Australia srtated using cannabis in his early teens, some ten years later he became a basket case, linked, I don't know. I wouldn't want any of my family to test the theory though.
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>> >> cannabis can cause serious mental health problems years after a user has stopped using
>> the drug
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>> Years after? I've never seen that claimed before.
You sound as if you know about cannabis. Does it have any pain killing ability?
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>> Does it have any pain killing ability?
I've heard that it does but my experience doesn't back that up.
My concern about using it for your situation is it's more likely to leave you feeling vulnerable, in the sense that it makes it harder to co-ordinate yourself properly. In your earlier days when you were fighting fit, fine, but what if you need to evacuate the house quickly or something like that? I would have reservations about my grandpa using it for this purpose.
There are people who specialise in helping out with medicinal use, they are consciously very discreet and they would be in a much better position to advise with all their experiences. I understand tea is the preferred method of taking it, but there are other ways.
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>> That's from the US not Europe.
Come off it ;-)
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If I were looking for free drugs (heaven forfend) I'd chuck up a sign like that and go back later to collect all the stuff that's been thrown out of cars...
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Although I dabbled in uppers & downers, cannabis & LSD, I'm talking like over 4 decades ago,
Sure I've had the odd spliff over the years, but I'm *dead* agin pushers, they are the most despised, insipid syphilitic scumbags that ever walked the Earth IMO.
I have 2 distant relations - my late brothers daughters sons, both totally messed up due to drugs, one tried to murder his mother at one time - complete psycho!
Trouble is there's no control without legalizing drugs, not heroin though, that's far too dangerous IMO.
What's really sad, is young children with undeveloped minds taking mind altering substances,
with sometimes devastating consequences :-(
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Clever. But it's not really entrapment, more a game of bluff and double bluff.
I remember a question in a children's magazine. You are escaping from your pursuers and have temporally thrown them off and they are still out of sight behind. Then you see a road sign "Long Delays Ahead".
The dumb thing would be to pull off onto a side road, exactly as the pursuers might expect. The clever thing would be to stay on the road.
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Don't know the drugs involved and over how long, but I know of a teenager (maybe 16) who had a stroke due to the prolonged drug taking. He's in a wheelchair and probably will never make a full recovery.
And alcohol is one of the worst drugs but its legal. How much damage does this do us all (those that drink alcohol that is).
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>>And alcohol is one of the worst drugs but its legal. How much damage does this do us all<<
Far more damage apparently - I blame the pushers!
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Whatever anyone says about the evils of drug taking, the current policies have seen drug taking go from a rare event in the 1960s to fairly common in the 1990s to habitual now..
Fraid to say the current policies do not work, have not worked and with spending cutbacks will not work.
Waste of time and money: banging heads against brick walls.
Of course, many people welcome current policies as they are kept employed and made very rich by it. I assume the more farsighted are actively funding campaigns against the legalisation of drugs...
Worth their while.. a good investment.. and huge returns...
When models can openly take drugs in the UK and not be prosecuted...policy is a farce.
www.law.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/staff/judith_aldridge/documents/ParkerEA2002.pdf
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.>> policy is a farce.
It's worse than a farce. It's openly hypocritical and contradictory, perverse and shot through with lies and exaggerations. It's got steadily worse for as long as I can remember.
You can't blame ordinary citizens, including some here I'm afraid, for succumbing to confusion and vertigo. That is what they are supposed to do.
It's sometimes risky trying to say anything on this subject because of the extreme vehemence in the expression of poorly-informed views produced by that vertigo. Not many people have much real idea of what they are talking about.
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