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Bit of whiplash there I should imagine. Don't read the comments following the vid!!!
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I note that there have been over 1M views and the web jury has voted in four letter words !!!
Very strange but perhaps they view the road in a different way.
I agree the Morgan driver did not do a fantastic job.
I suggest the other driver may have been exceeding the speed limit and might have been wearing blinkers.
Towards the end of video clip other vehicles seem to travelling at more than 30 mph and easily passing the Morgan stationary on the carriage way way up the road.
So there appears to be TWO useable lanes.
Why would anyone drive into the back of another vehicle when a lane was free ?
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It looks to me as if a two lane bit of road has been turned into one (probably for safety reasons...) by blocking the beginning with a mini island and a bollard, then hatchings. Using the hatched area was blocked by the bollard; swerving late under braking was probably not intuitive and, in all likelihood, would have ended in a more serious accident. I reckon the Morgan over estimated its ability to accelerate!! And yes, the Peugeot might well have been speeding, but should have been visible... IMO
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>> It looks to me as if a two lane bit of road has been turned
>> into one (probably for safety reasons...) by blocking the beginning with a mini island and
>> a bollard, then hatchings. Using the hatched area was blocked by the bollard;
Fair comment, that mini-island probably seemed like a good idea to prevent overtaking at that point but is actually menace when a merging option is needed.
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>> It looks to me as if a two lane bit of road has been turned into one (probably for safety reasons...)
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It all looks a bit like it was bodged.
The road signs indicating the road narrows do what when it is already single lane protected by hatching?
The island appears to be a cheap afterthought and then the old signs have been just left there.
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>> The road signs indicating the road narrows do what when it is already single lane
>> protected by hatching?
That's not a road narrows sign, those look like bottleneck. The inverted Y there indicates end of dual carriageway.
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I suppose you had to be there, but it seems to illustrate how some people's ability to steer and/or brake hard enough deserts them in an emergency.
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I do also wonder if it might have been wiser to have spent less time sounding the horn and concentrated more effort on avoiding the accident. Being in the right doesn't hurt less if you hit something.
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>> I do also wonder if it might have been wiser to have spent less time
>> sounding the horn and concentrated more effort on avoiding the accident. Being in the right
>> doesn't hurt less if you hit something.
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My thoughts as soon as I saw it. I don't know what purpose people seem to think the horn provides if something is already in your path.
The Morgan driver clearly cocked up, but approaching a gap in the centre reservation is a place where extra vigilance is always required. Fity fifty ish.
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>> I suppose you had to be there, but it seems to illustrate how some people's
>> ability to steer and/or brake hard enough deserts them in an emergency.
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Things will improve in the new test, no more emergency braking but Sat Nav is a must :-(((
Steering with ABS and brakes hard on... RTFM ?
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I'd still have been concerned about either turning the car over by swerving too abruptly, or ending up in the face of oncoming traffic on the other carriage way... Given those choices I'd chose rear-ending someone I think ;)
Though, while the Morgan driver should have seen the Peugeot the same is true the other way round!! Brake lights were visible throughout as far as I can make out...
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The Mog seems to have been exiting a classic car show. Several times in the past I've seen drivers showing off whilst still in view of the ones who haven't left yet. Squeal of tyres, roar of engine, etc. All that takes the mind off the business in hand ! I wouldn't attempt that in the Jowett, but tempting in a sports car.
The other car looked to be trotting on a bit, probably a 70mph road though.
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It's the curse of driving a convertible; you think you're going twice as fast as you really are.
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What happened to the Morgan? It appeared to shrug off the collision and disappear into the distance.
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Yes, that's the strangest bit of all... I wonder how much damage there actually was to the Peugeot...maybe that was perfectly drivable as well :)
Last edited by: PeterS on Wed 19 Apr 17 at 15:52
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There's a dual carriageway sign visible so the Morgan driver may have reasonably thought that he was turning into two lanes and therefore a car coming up behind would be able to safely pass him.
EDIT: And the Morgan pulls up on the left though is largely hidden by the right hand of the two two-lanes-into-one signs.
Last edited by: Hard Cheese on Wed 19 Apr 17 at 16:19
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>> There's a dual carriageway sign visible so the Morgan driver may have reasonably thought that
>> he was turning into two lanes and therefore a car coming up behind would be
>> able to safely pass him.
looks like him assumed, dangerous business that.
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There is a period of two seconds between the Morgan entering the lane, and the collision. Check your watch and think about what you could have done in two seconds*
The Morgan is clearly to blame, yes he was showboating leaving the show. (Mind you Morgan owners alway overboastimate the ability of their cars to anyone who will listen)
*Tho horn blowing would not have been my first choice it has to be said
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"Check your watch and think about what you could have done in two seconds"
Three secretaries?
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>> "Check your watch and think about what you could have done in two seconds"
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>> Three secretaries?
I've heard you are not a long stayer.
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>> There is a period of two seconds between the Morgan entering the lane, and the
>> collision. Check your watch and think about what you could have done in two seconds*
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But the Morgan should have been visible when it was sideways on prior to turning onto the carriageway if not as it crossed over the other carriageway.
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Interesting that you are more concerned with the idea that the Peugeot should have seen the Morgan rather than the somewhat more obvious fact that the Morgan should have seen the Peugeot, waited until it wasn't there and not pulled into the path of another car which, in any case, had right of way.
The fault was entirely that of the Morgan driver.
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I don't think anyone disputes that. I certainly don't. It was a stupid move on the part of the Morgan driver and he/she is entirely the cause. But, I think what some including me, are also suggesting, is that the Peugeot driver could (perhaps) have done more to lessen the seriousness of the outcome.
I'm teaching my son to drive at the moment and one of the things I'm trying to get him to understand is that safety isn't just about his actions, but also about recognising that others will, on a disturbingly regular basis, do unpredictable things that will or could cause problems.
Every day I see things happening on the road that could cause accidents and many of them are avoided by the innocent party involved.
Oddly enough, only today, I had almost exactly the same scenario emerge in front of me as the Peugeot driver faces in that video. It wasn't a Morgan, it was instead an old geezer in a Suzuki Vitara. I'm not quite sure how I missed him but thankfully I did.
People do daft things, dangerous things all the time. Being aware of that is part of safe driving.
I obviously don't know if anyone could have avoided that accident given the same circumstances, but I do think if you've time lean on the horn, you've also got at least as much time to attempt take avoiding action. Having said that, maybe there really was just no place to go.
Last edited by: Runfer D'Hills on Wed 19 Apr 17 at 19:25
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Looking elsewhere on the net, someone has posted the location from Google Maps, albeit the images being slightly out of date and still showing it as two lanes and not one.
www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3132296,-0.8907763,3a,75y,228.28h,74.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjdkMFjzfR2gXghGpUtvVaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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>> Having said that, maybe there really was just no place to go.
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I would like to think that the Morgan was the line of least resistance and a better option than a tree or car coming the opposite way. Using the horn as a deflector indicates to me that impact avoidance or reduction was not the priority.
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The Peugeot's brake lights were definitely on all the time it was in shot, but we can't see whether it's driver was braking before blasting the horn or the other way round. Or perhaps simultaneously? I don't have an issue with slamming on the brakes and blasting the horn - I'm pretty sure the Morgan just hadn't seen the Peugeot and it looked as if the sound of the horn did at least make the Morgan drive move left? I like to think I'd have jinked to the right, but given the risk of a head-on collision with a tree or an oncoming car, ramming into a car accelerating away is probably the 'softest' impact option!
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>> But the Morgan should have been visible when it was sideways on prior to turning
>> onto the carriageway if not as it crossed over the other carriageway.
I would guess the the Pug driver assumed that the Morgan was making a dash across the first lane(s), and would stop in the gap, which lets face it is what most people do when faced with a wide multilane road with a good separation in the middle, NOT try and do it at speed in one fell swoop.
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Looking at the street view I just wonder if the road sign situated on the central grass reservation could have impeded the view from the Morgan? - particularly since the Pug was travelling at significantly more than the 50 limit?
Although the Morgan is low and could have seen underneath it?
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I think we all agree that the Morgan driver caused the accident. But many of us think the Pug driver could have avoided it. It used to be two lanes and driving on the chevrons would have meant you could go around the Morgan.
I wonder if the road was narrowed earlier (it drops down to one lane at the brow) because people used to race down and push in at the last moment.
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Always better to hit the Morgan. You can spend hours watching dash cam footage where the guilty numpty leaves chaos in his wake then just tootles off, totally undamaged. Aim for the idiot. Not a tree or a curb or another innocent party.
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I like the aim for the idiot policy.
But not with this one.
youtu.be/jUo76zT84_I
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>> I like the aim for the idiot policy.
>> But not with this one.
>> youtu.be/jUo76zT84_I
NFN, sorry CGN ;>)
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In a strictly legal sense the driver of the Morgan was to blame. But the Pug had a clear view of the opposite opposite carriageway and the gap in the central reservation and if he had been paying attention he would have noticed the Morgan crossing from the other side and adjusted his speed accordingly. The people waiting on the corner and at least one car following the Morgan were a big enough clue as to something going on across the road, so one can only assume he was the "My right of way so get out of it" types who plough through hazards regardless.
If I was the Pug driver I'd be claiming total innocence to my insurers, but inwardly kicking myself for driving like a prat.
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>> assume he was the "My right of way so get out of it" types who plough through hazards regardless.
I don't think the Pug driver was thinking about their options. Being right is one thing. Not avoiding an accident is something else.
I get annoyed when drivers decide to overtake cyclists locally when it's not safe or appropriate and cross to the other side of the road, e.g. on bends. They seem not to realise they can slow down and follow the cyclist until it's safe to overtake.
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The people waiting on the
>> corner and at least one car following the Morgan were a big enough clue as
>> to something going on across the road, so one can only assume he was the "My right of way so get out of it" types who plough through hazards regardless.
I don't know having watched a few times, that just because there's another car at the junction and a crowd of people you wouldn't automatically think some wally is going to pull straight out in front of you. He obviously completely overestimated the acceleration of his morgan, i don't suppose he'll be making that mistake again any time soon! The only thing you can speculate is if the pug driver braked hard enough but that's impossible to tell from video.
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Further to my previous point, if you put yourself in the Morgan driver's position, as you come out of the side turning there is a dual carriageway sign in front of you, if you look to your right you can see the end of dual carriage way signs indicating that the two lanes end a couple of hundred yards up the hill. Therefore it's easy to conclude that a car coming from the left would have the use of the second lane, and from the driver's seat it may only be apparent that only one lane is available once you have crossed the central reservation and are committed.
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>> Further to my previous point, if you put yourself in the Morgan driver's position, as
>> you come out of the side turning there is a dual carriageway sign in front
>> of you, if you look to your right you can see the end of dual
>> carriage way signs indicating that the two lanes end a couple of hundred yards up
>> the hill. Therefore it's easy to conclude that a car coming from the left would
>> have the use of the second lane, and from the driver's seat it may only
>> be apparent that only one lane is available once you have crossed the central reservation
>> and are committed.
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I am pretty sure that the rule "I am going to pull out into a fast road because the other driver can drive round me" does not exist in the highway code, nor would you pass the driving test if that little gem came up in the theory test.
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>> I am pretty sure that the rule "I am going to pull out into a
>> fast road because the other driver can drive round me" does not exist in the
>> highway code, nor would you pass the driving test if that little gem came up
>> in the theory test.
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Agreed, I was exploring the cause not defending the driver's actions ....
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>> Therefore it's easy to conclude that a car coming from the left would
>> have the use of the second lane
There is no second lane as such though. It's hatched over.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 20 Apr 17 at 10:32
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>> There is no second lane as such though. It's hatched over.
The Morgan driver should never have assumed anything about the other car and the hatched over lane. But the other driver could have used the hatched over bit and avoided the accident - but they were probably watching YouTube or using Facebook.
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Go back to the original video. There is a Keep Left sign right in the middle of the lane of the hatched over bit, so that wasn't an option. (Look at 00:09s in)
I must say both drivers need awareness courses. At the end of the day the Morgan driver is clearly to blame.
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>> Go back to the original video. There is a Keep Left sign right in the
>> middle of the lane of the hatched over bit, so that wasn't an option. (Look
>> at 00:09s in)
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>> I must say both drivers need awareness courses. At the end of the day the
>> Morgan driver is clearly to blame.
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Look at 10 to 11 secs, there is a lanes width between the Peugeot and the keep left sign as the Peugeot passes the sign.
Also look at the Google maps link posted above, there are two lanes to the left of where the keep left sign is situated.
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I'm not seeing a full lane width, using the pic of the accident. The Google pic is from 2010.
If you stop the orig pic at 10s there is space, but not a full lane to the left of the Morgan, as he's turning round the sign.
FWIW I see from Google that there are also two entrances on the left, opposite the junction. tinyurl.com/mso699t
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>> I'm not seeing a full lane width, using the pic of the accident. The Google
>> pic is from 2010.
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>> If you stop the orig pic at 10s there is space, but not a full
>> lane to the left of the Morgan, as he's turning round the sign.
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There is lane's width to the right of the Peug as it passes the sign, the Peug clearly could have avoided the Morgan though ultimately the latter was at fault, albeit not helped by confusing signage.
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>> There is no second lane as such though. It's hatched over.
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Yes though the dual carriage way sign and the signs indicating that the two lanes end a couple of hundred yards up the hill could give the impression that you are turning in to a two lane road.
EDIT: Looking at Google maps it seems that the dual carriage way sign was installed more recently as was the hatching.
Also it seems that the road is more than wide enough for the Peugeot to taking avoiding action.
Last edited by: Hard Cheese on Thu 20 Apr 17 at 11:11
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Other cars are shown driving past the Peugeot after the accident. There was room to avoid this if the driver slowed down a bit and manoeuvred around the Morgan. But he seems to have hit the Morgan at quite some speed and maybe didn't slow down as much as he could have.
I wonder what they thought sounding the horn would actually achieve? The Morgan was there already and not accelerating fast enough.
EDIT: And yes I see there is a keep left sign which he'd have had to pass first before using the old second lane (now hatched over).
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>> Also it seems that the road is more than wide enough for the Peugeot to taking avoiding action.
Swerving at that speed to avoid the Morgan would have probably ended up with the Pug flipping over, especially if it clipped the rear offside of the Morgan in the process. And I suspect the Pug didn't have stability control either.
I can't figure why the Morgan carried on into the distance before stopping. Were the brakes made from wood too?
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 20 Apr 17 at 13:01
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Morgan Accident - Dog
