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As a company car driver I have always disliked the small engines as they are never as economical as they claim to be and the mileage reimbursement rates are based on engine capacity, so there is no incentive to go small. As such I have avoided VW group cars which seem to be leading the vanguard towards smaller engines.
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My VAG 1.4 turbo petrol does not return the official figures. But neither did the turbo diesels I had before.
The 1.4 turbo petrol is very good in my opinion and for the model I went for the official CO2 figures for benefit in kind are also very good. The same car with a 150PS diesel and 6-speed DSG would cost me a lot more per month ignoring MPG and the MPG won't be that different to make up for it.
I don't claim mileage based on a pence/mile rate. Petrol/diesel purchased is pro-rata for personal/business miles. For me it's almost always 100% personal anyway.
But I would not be getting a 1.0 litre petrol turbo 3-cylinder! :-)
Last edited by: rtj70 on Tue 18 Oct 16 at 18:45
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>> But I would not be getting a 1.0 litre petrol turbo 3-cylinder! :-)
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The 1.1L 3cyl (non-turbo) engine in the Mitsubishi Colt that one of our daughter's had was a lovely engine to drive.
However 1 litre engines offered in cars like Mondeo and the new SEAT Ateca (same as VW Tiguan) just feels like it's wrong.
Last edited by: Bill Payer on Wed 19 Oct 16 at 10:51
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>> That I did not like the concept of tiny petrol turbo engines stressed to within
>> an inch of their lives.
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It's always been an alien concept to me. I like large unstressed low-revving engines with bags of torque. I don't care about top performance nor petrol consumption.
The beauty of the car and the exhaust note are more important. :)
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Talking of.... A couple of years ago I stayed with friends ( sponging again!) in northern CA. For some reason, probably because we were going touring afterwards and flying back out of SF, I rented, in advance, a4WD. I requested a CRV, RAV4 sized vehicle, but collecting on NYE from Enterprise in Placerville all they had was a Dodge Ram Bighorn 5.7 V8 Hemi. Free upgrade sir! Erm no thanks but it was all they had. I don't think I saw double mpg figures all the time we drove it. The fun soon wore off.
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>> This makes interesting reading.
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>> www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=111213
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So there was an issue with a poor design in the cooling system. That's not really because the engine is to stressed, that's just a design issue that Ford have fixed on newer models
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>> that's just a design issue
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Tell that to the people with wrecked engines.
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Must admit I'm tempted by that VAG 1.4 150 horse petrol engine, available in many VAG products. Ive no spare money at the moment to buy such a vehicle, but would you say that is less stressed than my friends MB A45 AMG 2.0 petrol which turns out 380 horses? Or another friends Civic Type R 2.0 which turns out 300 horses?
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I think the Ford one year manufacturers warranty is a big hint.
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>> I think the Ford one year manufacturers warranty is a big hint.
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Its not, its 3 yrs / 60K - 1st year unlimited which I think is pretty common for most manufacturers now (might even be EU law)
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>> Its not, its 3 yrs / 60K - 1st year unlimited which I think is
>> pretty common for most manufacturers now (might even be EU law)
Two years is EU, at least until Brexit.
Still, it's a price worth paying eh?
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>> Still, it's a price worth paying eh?
Three year warranties were the norm in the U.K. well before the EU mandated 2 year protection by law, so regardless of anyone's view on brexit I'm not sure of its relevance here :p
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>> Its not, its 3 yrs / 60K - 1st year unlimited which I think is
>> pretty common for most manufacturers now (might even be EU law)
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I think you will find that it is a one year manufacturers warranty followed by a two year dealer backed (insurance) warranty. It certainly was when I bought my Focus in 2005. It may have changed since, but I experienced the system.
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>> I think you will find that it is a one year manufacturers warranty followed by
>> a two year dealer backed (insurance) warranty. It certainly was when I bought my Focus
>> in 2005. It may have changed since, but I experienced the system.
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The wording on Fords website implies its a 3 year manufacturers warranty, but I couldnt be certain:-
To begin with, your Ford warranty covers you for one year with unlimited mileage. From then on, your Ford Warranty will safeguard you for another two years or a total of up to 60,000 miles, whichever passes first. (Remember, the 60,000 mile limit includes the mileage you covered in your first year of ownership.)
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>> The wording on Fords website implies its a 3 year manufacturers warranty, but I couldnt
>> be certain:-
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Ford certainly did not advertise the workings of the warranty, I only discovered it during discussions with the dealer. My Focus was off the road for three weeks awaiting parts, Ford provided a hire car for the period. The dealer told me "I was lucky" the fault (the EGR valve requiring a modified replacement) showed in the first year as his warranty would not provide a replacement car.
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> The wording on Fords website implies its a 3 year manufacturers warranty, but I couldn't be certain:-
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>> To begin with, your Ford warranty covers you for one year with unlimited mileage. From then on, your Ford Warranty will safeguard you for another two years or a total of up to 60,000 miles, whichever passes first. (Remember, the 60,000 mile limit includes the mileage you covered in your first year of ownership.)
The fact they split it down in to two parts tells you its not one continuous warranty. I think the split is fairly common, i think some of the far east manufacturers offer a full manufacturers warranty.
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>> Tell that to the people with wrecked engines.
While that's a good summation you started this thread by opining that high stresses would lead to early demise of small motors hauling medium/large cars. There seem to be some failures in the Ford range but underspecified coolant plumbing and possible combustion hotspots are a design issue. They could just as likely occur in conventionally sized power units; see turbo failures in PSA/Ford 16 valve diesels due badly specced lubrication plumbing.
Possible though that physically small engines have a small coolant capacity so have a v limited margin for loss. Wasn't that part of issue with Rover K series units?
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I think that in most cases it's too early to say whether these higher powered small capacity engines will prove reliable in the long term. As development continues, and problems arise and are overcome, I like to think that manufacturers will be able to provide such engines.
In the meantime, 1.4L capacity is the smallest engine I would buy if I wanted half decent performance. The 2.0 petrol 165 in the Mazda 3 seems to be highly regarded, and if I could find an older 330 petrol Touring, either 3 or 5 series, in excellent condition with full history, I would happily trade off poor mpg vs reliability ( and straight six smoothness).
But back in the real world my Focus 1.6 Tdci will have to do for the foreseeable future, although I could sell my P Bonds which seem to be jinxed!
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If the information in the link in my OP is accurate the tiny turbo will not be around for long.
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>> Possible though that physically small engines have a small coolant capacity so have a v
>> limited margin for loss. Wasn't that part of issue with Rover K series units?
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Yep, poor maintenance plus Rovers insistence in fitting the K to bigger heavier cars like the freelander.
Shame they never had the cash to properly fix it as it was a good engine
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> Possible though that physically small engines have a small coolant capacity so have a v limited margin for loss. Wasn't that part of issue with Rover K series units?
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Yep, poor maintenance plus Rovers insistence in fitting the K to bigger heavier cars like
>> the freelander.
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>> Shame they never had the cash to properly fix it as it was a good engine
From what i remember it was crap water pump that seeped out and cheap hoses that split or came loose. But yes i think they had really small reservoirs which didn't help. Although when ford bought jlr I'm surprised they didn't fit the zetec range in, the petrols were brilliant engines.
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Ftted in my R reg New Elise. Never let me down in 4 years, and used in all weathers, 12 months a year.
In case you are thinking I'm a flash soab, it was my present to self after the first ex. Great swap. Had to wait a few years for delivery, but very little depreciation, worth every penny, and my muddy old Westie loved it. As did his admirers....
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Did I mention ? - zippy
