I was given one of these this afternoon as mine was in for a service. It's described as a "Touring"...yes ok.
1600 diesel - does not feel like a Beemer in any way, other than the dashboard and switchgear.
Seems to drive well enough with a very fine sounding little motor...sounds a bit like a thee cylinder. SOme dreadful faux would trim, basic seats are a little hard. Smells like the Panda I had a few weeks ago for a similar trip.
I feel that a VW I drive a couple of years ago had a more "premium" feel to be honest.
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"The chassis and certain engines in the 2 Series Active Tourer are shared with the MINI range"
"Entry level petrol and diesel engines are 1.5-litre three cylinder units shared with the MINI and they are fine for most - but motorway or rural drivers will benefit from the extra power and torque offered by the more powerful 218d diesel or 220i petrol"
www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/bmw/2-series-active-tourer/
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So it was a three cylinder box. It was a manual which sort of made sense but I reckon with a proper auto box it would have been a better proposition - Got into my thee series at the other end and it felt "proper" if you know what I mean.
I sort of guesse dit shared oily bits with a MINI. They wanted 23k for a similar one on the forecourt - guess maybe a better buy than a Fiesta at the same level....?
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>> They wanted 23k for
>> a similar one on the forecourt - guess maybe a better buy than a Fiesta
>> at the same level....?
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Even if it is possible (not sure that it is), who would spend £23k on a Fiesta?!?!
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It does seem like a lot for a supermini, but then I suppose I'm old enough to remember my father sucking his teeth at paying over £1500 for a new car and being myself totally astonished when family cars started to be over £10,000 new.
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I don't think even paying list for a fully specced Top of the range Fiesta would be near £23k.
Even with three high class hookers on the back seat, and they aren't currently listed on the options
An almost new fully specced ST can be had for £13k
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They're supposed to be fun I believe.
Last edited by: Runfer D'Hills on Wed 14 Sep 16 at 21:52
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>> They're supposed to be fun I believe.
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Hookers or Fiesta's?
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A Fiesta ST200 (XR2i in old money!!) has a list pric of £22,895. I imagine the actual transaction price is much lower ;)
A rather more prosaic (and comfortable) Fiesta Titanium is still £15k before options mind you...
www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Fiesta
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A Fiesta ST is one of those unfortunate cars. Despite undoubtedly being a great little package. Anyone young enough to look the part in one wouldn't get insurance and anyone old enough to do so wouldn't look right in one.
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I'm way past caring... Should I ever be in the UK long enough, and affluent enough, to justify two cars, one being a practical Mondeoish estate, the other a fun, sensible car, an ST would be on my short list.
Plenty enough handling prowess in that chassis to sate my hooliganisms
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>> A Fiesta ST is one of those unfortunate cars. Despite undoubtedly being a great little
>> package. Anyone young enough to look the part in one wouldn't get insurance and anyone
>> old enough to do so wouldn't look right in one.
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There must come a point at which it's possible to grow old disgracefully and buy one though? I do hope so :p
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>> Even if it is possible (not sure that it is), who would spend £23k on
>> a Fiesta?!?!
A secondhand one?
tinyurl.com/zxd2cty
If it shows 'my' postcode, don't worry. It isn't 'my' postcode.
Last edited by: Duncan on Thu 15 Sep 16 at 06:57
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It has EATC and TPMS, but is it VFM? .. Top speed 142 mph in a country where the national speed limit is 70mph.
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>> tinyurl.com/zxd2cty
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>> If it shows 'my' postcode, don't worry. It isn't 'my' postcode.
Why not just abbreviate the autotrader link and only use part of it?
i.e. anything after the long number isn't required.
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609117655903
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i.e. anything after the long number isn't required.
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609117655903
Still shows a postcode!
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>> Still shows a postcode!
I never mentioned that it wouldn't. I was just highlighting that tinyurl'ing the link isn't necessary.
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Sorry, I have now re-read your post. Can read it 2 ways. As usual I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
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I presume we're talking here about the 2-series Active Tourer - silly name, but the Touring is BMW-speak for the 3- and 5-series estate.
The Active Tourer - despite being available with a Mini engine - is much bigger than a Fiesta, hence the price difference. The Ford equivalent is the C-Max, which is a good car and would have been on my short-list this year if I'd wanted a manual. (There are too many bad reports of the Powershift dual-clutch transmission.).
The Active Tourer was on my short list - a 220i - but despite them not selling well BMW weren't trying very hard and few discounts were offered.
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>> The Active Tourer was on my short list - a 220i - but despite them
>> not selling well BMW weren't trying very hard and few discounts were offered.
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Not sure how long ago that was Avant, but I certainly see plenty around now so they've either thrown more support at them or they are actually selling! They don't seem to be being driven by the family types that ostensibly it's aimed at though, at least not down here. I assume they prefer the X1/X3 image. But by, how can I put this politely, a slightly older clientele. More affluent (or cavalier with their money perhaps...) Jazz owners if you know what I mean ;)
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It was in January / February this year, Peter. For some reason they were willing enough to discount the 216s and 218s but not the larger-engined models.
I think 'family types' are tending to go for SUVs rather than MPVs: you're right - MPVs like the 2-series tend to be driven by what the Prayer Book so charmingly calls 'those of riper years'. (People like me!)
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Ah I see... Yes, I'm not sure the ones I see are necessarily 220s, but certainly there are plenty of the Active Tourers about. I assume the 220 is a 4 cylinder not 3 cylinder engine? Maybe something to do with lower than expected sales of the smaller engine variants? Or MINI sales being lower and so excess capacity at the engine plant for the 3 cylinder? I wonder if it's made at Hams Hall engine plant? It'd make sense given MINi must be a big user of it...
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Still a most uninspiring thing to drive in that format. I'm almost sure that there are fwd and rwd versions...I did mean to type "Focus" not "Fiesta" Awful seats.
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Lots of 2nd hand for sale, 10K miles or so, in the 216/ 218 engines both petrol & diesel - presumably ex-day rental fodder.
I was interested in a 2 litre petrol but they were almost list price @ 2 dealers & even the discounters were in the 5/6% off area - similar 3 series were 10-15% if you timed it right.
4 cylinder cars - pre-reg / ex-demo were like hen's teeth & usually 300 miles away from me - given up & looking elsewhere.
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Coincidentally I bumped into a friend I hadn't seen for a while last night; she works at Rolls Royce in Goodwood. Apparently pretty much whatever car they choose (choice not guaranteed...) on the BMW management car scheme at the moment they generally end up with an Active Tourer of some kind. Make of that what you will ;)
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>> I think 'family types' are tending to go for SUVs rather than MPVs:
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That's true, but it is odd what people will do in the name of 'fashion'. A friend has a Quashcow which is no roomier than a Golf inside, despite appearing larger on the outside. MPVs like this BMW or better value Picassos, C-Maxes or Scenics meet most family demands far more readily than SUVs - go figure!
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I keep telling my wife she'd be better off with a Focus or a Golf or similar rather than her Qashqai. She does do me the courtesy of nodding slight assent before her eyes glaze over and she finds a way of changing the subject.
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BMW - 216d Touring. - Dog
