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Thread Author: Zero	Replies: 77

Thu 24 Mar 16 13:28   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

Which Salt and Pepper Grinder? My old one has carked it. This one www.amazon.co.uk/Bodum-Bistro-Salt-Pepper-Grinder/dp/B007FLZVE2/ref=sr_1_4?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1458825966 Always hated it its been ruddy useless. So all you master chef's, whats the best replacement? Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 13:37   And now for the really important sheet. - Bromptonaut

Wouldn't bother with a salt grinder. Bog standard Saxo or supermarket equivalent does fine. Various sorts of pepper (black/brown/5 berries etc) sold in grinders - black is Aldi, others are French. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 13:43   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

I doubt you'll go far wrong with these: tinyurl.com/cys7dtd Always pleased to help. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 13:57   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> I doubt you'll go far wrong with these: >> >> tinyurl.com/cys7dtd >> >> Always pleased to help. hmmmm The short 10cm ones are on special in Lakeland. £16.99 Last edited by: Zero on Thu 24 Mar 16 at 13:58 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 13:48   And now for the really important sheet. - smokie

Lidl have some this week, I bought them a couple of months back. Rather large, stainless steel and take 6 x AAA batteries each but they seem to work OK. £6.99 each, two for £12. You can get an idea of how they look from the greyed picture in this link www.hotukdeals.com/deals/electric-salt-pepper-mill-with-3-years-warranty-6-99-each-lidl-1137551 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 13:57   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> Lidl have some this week, I bought them a couple of months back. Rather large, >> stainless steel and take 6 x AAA batteries each but they seem to work OK. >> £6.99 each, two for £12. >> >> You can get an idea of how they look from the greyed picture in this >> link www.hotukdeals.com/deals/electric-salt-pepper-mill-with-3-years-warranty-6-99-each-lidl-1137551 Batteries? After the battery thread on here? are you mad? Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:08   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> Batteries? After the battery thread on here? are you mad? >> We bought a battery operated salt & pepper mill a couple of years ago. Can't remember the make, but it didn't work at all well and was returned for a refund a week later. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:11   And now for the really important sheet. - Armel Coussine

Battery powered pepper and salt grinders are a very silly idea, for gizmo freaks only. We have acquired several ordinary, hand-powered grinders over the years, including a huge great long one suitable for a pretentious restaurant. They clutter up the kitchen surfaces and you can never find the one you're looking for. Salt keeps for ever as long as it doesn't get wet, but whole peppercorns keep a lot longer than ground stuff. However even they fade eventually. I am very keen on pepper of all sorts and have several bottles of liquid stuff in various colours, some of it very ferocious indeed. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:32   And now for the really important sheet. - WillDeBeest

Funnily enough, I faced this a few weeks ago when the Marlux olivewood grinder we bought on our honeymoon ceased to respond to treatment. The complementary beechwood salt mill was, if I'm honest, never much use, so I was time for a change. The solution, pro-tem anyway, is a T&G pair containing the CrushGrind mechanism. Ours are truncated green acrylic cones that kinda suit the mid-century vibe we're cultivating in our 1970s house but may not be to all tastes - which is probably why I got the pair for £15. More conventional housings are available. But the mechanism is pretty good. A traditional mill has a central steel spindle with a nut on the top that is supposed to both secure the knob and adjust the grind. It never really does the latter and eventually strips its thread to the point where it won't do the former either. The new mills have no spindle - and so can hold a vast quantity of peppercorns - and are adjusted with a plastic wheel underneath. And I reckon it works: I keep mine set pretty coarse but it will go very fine if required. And the salt grinder is a revelation, producing sparkling little flakes of salt that give food a real zing. Saxo will do if you're dissolving it but if you're sprinkling this is in a different class; it's more about texture than chemistry. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:37   And now for the really important sheet. - Armel Coussine

>> sparkling little flakes of salt that give food a real zing. Saxo will do if you're dissolving it but if you're sprinkling this is in a different class; it's more about texture than chemistry. Yes, I agree with that. It's not that important though. A small difference. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:42   And now for the really important sheet. - Old Navy

Using salt after food has been served is an insult to the chef, implying that they have not seasoned the dish adequately. Pepper is best dispenced from a ceramic grinder in whatever style of grinder you prefer. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:59   And now for the really important sheet. - WillDeBeest

Using salt after food has been served is an insult to the chef, implying that they have not seasoned the dish adequately. True but irrelevant. Because salt dissolves quickly in any moisture, sometimes it's best to leave adding it to the last possible moment, so the diners get that pleasurable tingle on the tongue while the salt flakes are still large enough to produce it. Similarly with pepper, the aromatic oil evaporates or denatures quickly with heat, so leave it as late as possible. T&G includes a nice explanation of this with the mill: coarse-ground pepper tastes more 'peppery' because the bigger fragments still contain their oil, which is then released directly on to the tongue when the teeth supply the final grind. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 15:08   And now for the really important sheet. - CGNorwich

If you have bought the food I guess you have the right to put whatever you like on it. I went to a rather up market restaurant a while ago with some one who had little time for pretension. He ordered the lamb creation and asked for some mint source to accompany it. The waiter claimed the French chef would be affronted by the suggestion. My colleague said ""no sauce, no pay". He got his little bowl of home made mint sauce. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:41   And now for the really important sheet. - Alanovich

>> Battery powered pepper and salt grinders are a very silly idea, for gizmo freaks only. My mother bought me some at Christmas. I have dutifully pressed them in to service. Every time I pick one up I manage to depress the button on the top, thereby distributing salt/pepper across the work surface. Sigh. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 13:50   And now for the really important sheet. - Pat

Just catching up on some threads I missed while we were away and I cannot believe this one. Battery operated pepper grinder? Are we too posh now to grind our own pepper? That's a whole new level of poshness I must aspire to:) Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 13:59   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> Battery operated pepper grinder? >> That's a whole new level of poshness I must aspire to:) I'd give that aspiration a miss if I were you. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Mon 28 Mar 16 14:00   And now for the really important sheet. - CGNorwich

Electric pepper grinders, like electric tin openers and Breville sandwich toasters are actually very downmarket Pat. Kitchen accessories are a dead giveaway when assessing status. You just have to know these things. ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 14:07   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> Electric pepper grinders, like electric tin openers and Breville sandwich toasters are actually very downmarket >> Pat. Kitchen accessories are a dead giveaway when assessing status. You just have to know >> these things. ;-) No, no, no. Surely no home can be without a Kenwood electric tin opener, as it must be the only one that will open any tin (and I mean any tin) without a struggle. ;) Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 14:26   And now for the really important sheet. - CGNorwich

Keep the tin opener by all means but keep it hidden. It's knocking thousands off your house value. ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 14:29   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

The wife keeps the tin opener well hidden, as it's a bit on the bulky side. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 14:08   And now for the really important sheet. - henry k

>> Electric pepper grinders, like electric tin openers and Breville sandwich toasters are actually very downmarket Pat. Kitchen accessories are a dead giveaway when assessing status. >> You just have to know these things. ;-) >> Does that mean also hiding the Chicago Pizza slice with its built in laser guide and sound effects ? Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 15:54   And now for the really important sheet. - Pat

Wow......... off to hide my electric tin opener now. Stick with me, I'll get there shortly! Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 16:00   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> Wow......... >> >> off to hide my electric tin opener now. >> >> Stick with me, I'll get there shortly! >> >> Pat Hide it behind the Soda Stream. "Get fizzy in a whizzy with soda stream" Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 16:12   And now for the really important sheet. - WillDeBeest

Save a space in the Forgotten Gadgets cupboard for the spiralizer. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:46   And now for the really important sheet. - CGNorwich

Go for WMF brand. German, expensive and very reliable. Had a model similar to this now for about 15 years now. "Upside down" design means you don't get pepper on the table. www.amazon.co.uk/WMF-Stainless-Steel-Pepper-Mill/dp/B000XG4R00/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1458830345&sr=8-10&keywords=wmf+mill Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 14:53   And now for the really important sheet. - bathtub tom

LIDL and ALDI have both had disposable ones lately at a pound each. Seems expensive for a container of salt, but I bought them and they work fine. Upside-down styling means you don't get the residue on the damask and as we should all be using less salt, may well see me out. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 15:16   And now for the really important sheet. - Crankcase

>> and as we should all be using less salt Of course, not everyone agrees... www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt/ Scientific American has a pedigree greater, in my opinion, than the Daily Anything - but not perhaps to be taken as, well, Gospel. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 15:16   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> Go for WMF brand. German, expensive and very reliable. Ah yes, Württembergische Metallwarenfabrik. A name much be-loved of antique dealers, who trot out the name and trademark in an attempt to sex up and up sell old crap that no-one wants. Still as there is plenty of the old crap about, it must be well made at least. Last edited by: Zero on Thu 24 Mar 16 at 15:17 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 15:23   And now for the really important sheet. - CGNorwich

I don't know about thier antique stuff. I can just vouch for their salt and pepper grinders. Beautifully put together and a joy to use. Whatever brand you buy make sure the grinding wheel is ceramic. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 15:54   And now for the really important sheet. - Ted

We have Lakeland ' upsidedowners ' they have put an end to ' peppery ring misery ' on the table. Swm likes her ground pepper and sea salt. I couldn't give a tuppeny fart...I have one of those little glass ones with the white plastic top so beloved of cheap cafes. Suits me fine ! Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 16:36   And now for the really important sheet. - Manatee

>> I couldn't give a tuppeny fart...I have >> one of those little glass ones with the white plastic top so beloved of cheap >> cafes. Suits me fine ! The bakelite tops? We occasionally go to Bookers for catering stuff for local events, they have all those plastic squeezy sauce things too. I haven't been allowed to buy any. I am minded to buy some new mills. The pepper mill fell apart a while back and we are using the disposable grinder jars like bt, but the plastic grinders, not surprisingly, usually lose their virtue about halfway down the jar. I guess we must have eaten a certain amount of plastic chips. Those WMF ones look good. And I like the sensible upside down design. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 16:49   And now for the really important sheet. - Slidingpillar

Got a really solid pepper grinder, should see me out. Only use the salt grinder when making fogattcia. Jolly easy bread to make, basic pizza dough, omit almost all the salt and all of the oil. Prove once, add dimples, fill them with olive oil, and a bit in the baking tray. Then coarsely grind some salt over it, and sprinkle on some rosemary. Then prove a bit more and bake. Doesn't keep at all - you'll want to eat it as soon as it comes out of the oven. Very good with cheese, and doesn't need any butter. Last edited by: Slidingpillar on Thu 24 Mar 16 at 16:50 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 20:24   And now for the really important sheet. - Kevin

>Jolly easy bread to make, Someone posted a recipe or link for home made nan bread on here a while ago that looked quite good. Can't find it by a forum search so I guess it must have been posted by AC and deleted. Anyone remember it? Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 20:14   And now for the really important sheet. - MD

Have just been given some. 5 yr warrantee. WAIT THERE. Will contact Dor ter. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 20:28   And now for the really important sheet. - MD

She's clearly doing important stuff and is not responding. Grandkids etc. So far they are good, The Mills, not the Grandkids. if I get any sense I'll post. Orf up the wooden hill now as is my choice. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 21:05   And now for the really important sheet. - WillDeBeest

Check out Felicity Cloake's article on naan in her Perfect... series in the Guardian. I've tried her method and it works beautifully. Very wet and needs careful handling but gives ecstatically fluffy results. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Mar 16 22:21   And now for the really important sheet. - mikeyb

We've got these ones www.johnlewis.com/cole-mason-acrylic-salt-and-pepper-set-13cm/p187117 Probably had them 10 years now and they still do the job Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 05:17   And now for the really important sheet. - MD

Littlewoods apparently.. 5 yr guarantee.. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 08:12   And now for the really important sheet. - legacylad

Zeddo, can you not just use the salt & pepper sachets you liberate from 'Spoons? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 08:27   And now for the really important sheet. - Duncan

>> Zeddo, can you not just use the salt & pepper sachets you liberate from 'Spoons? 'spoons have used proper pots for a little while now. N.b. Z is barred from 'spoons - he lowers the tone, they said! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 08:38   And now for the really important sheet. - legacylad

Yes, it was TIC... I've never eaten in a 'Spoons and it's a few years since drinking in one. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 08:44   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

Fish and chips in 'Spoons is very good value. Tasty, too. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 08:49   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

I dispair. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 09:07   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> I dispair. >> I'm thinking of trying their hotcakes next time I visit. Much enjoyed those way back while over the pond. Lashings of maple syrup and a couple of rashers of bacon on the side. Made a change from eggs, over easy. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 16:10   And now for the really important sheet. - Manatee

>> I dispair. You and Mrs Z are going separate ways? The fish and chips in Morrisons caff can be very good for a fiver, including the petits pois mushy du jardin. Cooked to order. Leighton Buzzard's is only average, but Aylesbury's were spot on yesterday. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 16:47   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> >> I dispair. >> >> You and Mrs Z are going separate ways? I wish >> The fish and chips in Morrisons caff can be very good for a fiver, Indeed, you do however have to chose your Morrisons. The food in the Weybridge branch is very good indeed. The food in the Nottingham one, tollerton to be exact, less so. The clientele are far worse too. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 18:27   And now for the really important sheet. - MD

MORRISON'S Bideford. Engineering department (Cafe) must have some *wat with a thermic lance to 'cook' their breakfast sausages. It is the most disgusting place to eat on the planet. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 25 Mar 16 14:11   And now for the really important sheet. - Ian (Cape Town)

Is it me, or does 'takeaway' pepper always taste like 75% sawdust and 25% 'pepper-flavoured' additive? Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 16:31   And now for the really important sheet. - Ted

I always forget we have pepper on the table but I only use it on suitable foods like pasta. I like a little grind now and again. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 16:33   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

I use a lot of pepper, but have never thought to put it on pasta. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 16:36   And now for the really important sheet. - Ted

Try a spoonful of peppercorns mixed in Cs.........nice when you crack one between your fangs ! Last edited by: Ted on Mon 28 Mar 16 at 16:37 Reply to this message | Report message       1

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:11   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> I use a lot of pepper, but have never thought to put it on pasta. What? Single most tasteless thing known to man before he invented Tofu, and you never used pepper on it? Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:23   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> What? Single most tasteless thing known to man before he invented Tofu, and you never >> used pepper on it? >> Don't you have a sauce with your pasta? Tonight I'm having home made pasta puttanesca (no adverse comments, please) and you wouldn't want to add pepper to that. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:29   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> Don't you have a sauce with your pasta? yes? >> Tonight I'm having home made pasta puttanesca (no adverse comments, please) and you wouldn't want >> to add pepper to that. You dont add freshly ground peppercorns to your chile sauce? Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 29 Mar 16 at 01:30 Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:42   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

I'll have to consult the chef, but I don't add anything to the prepared dish that will be put in front of me tonight. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:46   And now for the really important sheet. - CGNorwich

What no ketchup? Found one of those retro squeezy plastic tomatoes last year. Essential. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:49   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

I haven't seen one of those for years, although I prefer mint sauce myself. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Mar 16 17:55   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> I haven't seen one of those for years, although I prefer mint sauce myself. you put mint sauce on pasta, and you question the value of pepper on it? Reply to this message | Report message       1

Mon 28 Mar 16 23:54   And now for the really important sheet. - Ted

We use proper pasta, imported from Italia by our local deli. They have pasta with names that you just don't get in the supermarkets. It's a world away from the rubbery everyday stuff Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 08:49   And now for the really important sheet. - legacylad

I thought pasta was pasta was pasta, but then I am often a heathen where food is concerned. My fav easy meal is pasta with peppers, mushrooms & garlic in a spicy sauce. If you can recommend a pasta which would enhance the meal I would appreciate it... I normally buy The cheapest wholemeal pasta I can find in a major supermarket. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 08:51   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

>> I thought pasta was pasta was pasta, but then I am often a heathen where >> food is concerned. My fav easy meal is pasta with peppers, mushrooms & garlic in >> a spicy sauce. >> If you can recommend a pasta which would enhance the meal I would appreciate it... >> I normally buy The cheapest wholemeal pasta I can find in a major supermarket. Try non wholemeal FRESH egg pasta from the chiller cabinet. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:00   And now for the really important sheet. - legacylad

Thanks. Never heard of it. I always thought pasta was purchased dry in bags! Will have a look next time I'm in Asda or Aldi... Might be a deli thing, one of those kind of shops I never ever go inside but will now. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:42   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> >> I haven't seen one of those for years, although I prefer mint sauce myself. >> >> you put mint sauce on pasta, and you question the value of pepper on it? >> I'm a bit of an animal with mint sauce, but I resist the urge to add it to pasta. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 08:57   And now for the really important sheet. - Crankcase

>>I'll have to consult the chef, but I don't add anything to the prepared dish that will be put in front of me tonight. I've never lived in a world as an adult where anyone has put a prepared dish in front of me unless it was in a restaurant or visiting somewhere. I can't imagine how it might feel. Last edited by: Crankcase on Tue 29 Mar 16 at 08:58 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:06   And now for the really important sheet. - Roger.

Pasta is really rather nasty, whatever sauce one serves with it. Bol sauce is better with a nice baked potatoe. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:37   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

>> I've never lived in a world as an adult where anyone has put a prepared >> dish in front of me unless it was in a restaurant or visiting somewhere. I >> can't imagine how it might feel. I don't quite understand that. Are you saying that all the meals that you consume at home are prepared by you only? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:44   And now for the really important sheet. - Crankcase

Yes indeed. Mrs doesn't cook, never has. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:58   And now for the really important sheet. - Dog

Same 'ere Cc, I even make all the bread (in my Pana) AND make a cake once a week. I do of course allow 'her' in the kitchen occasionally, in fact on Saturday she prepared a Thai curry thingy ... to my recipe. :) Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 10:06   And now for the really important sheet. - Crankcase

Funnily enough I made some bread in our Panasonic this weekend, Dog. It tasted dreadful, but that may be cos it was the tv. Rimshot. No actually, it was ok. There was a special on some funky wholemeal flour in Waitrose so I thought I'd give it a go, but unfortunately I forgot yeast, and only had some old dried stuff months out of date from the Co-Op. Even with that disadvantage it was pleasant enough though, if a trifle under-risen. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 11:33   And now for the really important sheet. - Dog

>>, but unfortunately I forgot yeast, and only had some old dried stuff months out of date from the Co-Op I use Allinson 'easy bake' dried yeast in all my bread Cc. I bought some Doves Farm 'original' dry yeast about a year ago - it's still in the cupboard. I would prefer to use fresh bakers yeast, but it's not readily obtainable down 'ere. Um gonna give this flour a go when I run out of my present Gilchesters flour. I used to get my flour freshly ground at a German elf food shop (have you seen those German elves!) in Tenerife back in the day. Triffic stuff, made proper wholemeal bread and worked like psyllium husks on the gut - saved me having to resort to coffee enemas :) www.shipton-mill.com/flour-direct/extra-coarse-organic-wholemeal-flour-216.htm Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 09:59   And now for the really important sheet. - Clk Sec

Pat on the back from me, CC. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 11:01   And now for the really important sheet. - sooty123

>> Yes indeed. Mrs doesn't cook, never has. >> Genuine question, what does she do if you're not there to cook a meal? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 11:13   And now for the really important sheet. - Crankcase

Ah, I see. She does her own food, we don't eat the same things generally, unless I'm doing something she will eat (not often that happens). So she will do her own two fishfingers and a slice of bread or perhaps or a steak pie from packet to oven in her own time and call it a deal, just as she always has. I suppose I should have realised early on that she was brought up in a family where food was so low on the list of things to do with your life that I recall sitting down to a meal (five of us) and discovering there were two beefburgers cooked, with a few ancillary items, which were then divided between us all. Nobody, of course, could possibly eat a whole beefburger, you understand. Last edited by: Crankcase on Tue 29 Mar 16 at 11:15 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 11:29   And now for the really important sheet. - WillDeBeest

Only a culinary illiterate would eat a 'beefburger' at all. (Even iOS wants to split it into two words.) The OED's American edition lists the word as 'British', presumably because only the Brits would be so gastronomically clueless as to need telling that a hamburger isn't made of ham. I cook for the family when I'm at home, not so much so Mrs Beest doesn't have to, as to ensure she doesn't. She can be trusted - sort of - to do sausages, mash and gravy, and she makes a respectable, if stodgy, Thai-influenced veg curry. After that we're down to frozen breadcrumbed fish with oven chips. OK for midweek when we've both been at work, but not a meal to lift the spirits. Could be worse. She might have learned to cook like her mother. Last edited by: WillDeBeest on Tue 29 Mar 16 at 11:30 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 12:04   And now for the really important sheet. - sooty123

>> Only a culinary illiterate would eat a 'beefburger' at all. (Even iOS wants to split it into two words.) The OED's American edition lists the word as 'British', presumably because only the Brits would be so gastronomically clueless as to need telling that a hamburger isn't made of ham. Maybe we're looking for accuracy ;) Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 12:14   And now for the really important sheet. - tyrednemotional

>> Could be worse. She might have learned to cook like her mother. >> ...unfortunately, the odds are she will grow to look like her mother...... (who, I'm sure was a fine-looking woman, and all.........but..........) Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 29 Mar 16 12:07   And now for the really important sheet. - sooty123

I suppose I should have realised early on that she was brought up in a >> family where food was so low on the list of things to do with your >> life that I recall sitting down to a meal (five of us) and discovering there were two beefburgers cooked, with a few ancillary items, which were then divided between us all. >> >> Nobody, of course, could possibly eat a whole beefburger, you understand. >> Big fans of rationing were they? Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 31 Mar 16 17:03   And now for the really important sheet. - Zero

Ok to bring this to a conclusion, A pair of T&G TipTop CrushGrind® Mill's have been purchased. As described further up the thread, no central screw thing, the "upside down" format will not leave a ring of ground pepper or salt, and the grinding action is superb. Having better taste than some on here, they have matt black tops with sparkling clear acrylic bodies. Last edited by: Zero on Thu 31 Mar 16 at 17:05 Reply to this message | Report message