Spotted this article in todays Daily Mail. Glad I sold my diesel car some years ago!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2751365/Junk-diesel-cars-They-health-
hazard-scrap-pay-owners-2-000-Boris-tells-MPs.html
I tried to make the link made clickable but the text split in half. Try the shortened version instead
tinyurl.com/nyforzu
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 11 Sep 14 at 10:29
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Attention seeking politician.
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Next English / Welsh / NI Prime Minister though???? :)
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>> Next English / Welsh / NI Prime Minister though???? :)
I can see now why you want independence...
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There are many elderly gasoline cars which are far more polluting than reasonably modern diesels-will we be paid to scrap them?
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Another soundbite politician.
Take a look at Page 11 of this report:
tinyurl.com/oyvg4jb - Link to SMMT 2014 Automotive Sustainability Report
This shows NOx and Diesel PMs have been falling for more than a decade.
You could argue the SMMT have their own axe to grind and the truth may lie somewhere in between.
Last edited by: gmac on Thu 11 Sep 14 at 10:01
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Last past the Houses of Parliament in June. A bus was the only one making visible fumes/smoke.
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I have just bought a diesel car, its emmisions are so low that it is £0 rated for road tax.
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So instead of 'scrapping' diesel cars, the govt should just add NOX and PM figures into the equation to calculate the tax value.
But I suppose some EU law won't allow them to do that unilaterally.
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>> So instead of 'scrapping' diesel cars, the govt should just add NOX and PM figures
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>> But I suppose some EU law won't allow them to do that unilaterally.
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Is fuel duty not enough ?
The NOx, PMs and all the other nasties are contained in the unburnt fuel. The more you buy & burn, the more fuel duty you pay.
Maybe we need road tolls in addition to Road Fund Licence too?
Last edited by: gmac on Thu 11 Sep 14 at 13:08
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"The NOx, PMs and all the other nasties are contained in the unburnt fuel."
Yes, but the ratio of CO2:NOx:PM produced depends both on the fuel you use and the type of engine. Diesels produce less CO2 than petrols, so benefit from CO2-based taxation, but they put out more particulates.
IIRC, the lean burn engines Toyota promoted in the early 90s fell foul of similar rules (in the US, I think) that favoured catalytic converters even though the lean burn approach used less fuel.
IMHO, the better approach is for goverment to stipulate the end result they want (lower emissions, average fuel burn or whatever) and leave the industry figure out how best to meet it. After all, you can't legislate for unknown future inventions!
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Fuel tax is a tax on use, and you pay VAT on that tax. You think we need tolls as well?
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I'm keeping my old diesel. I get 60mpg on a run. You can't convince me it pumps out more crap in real terms than a petrol car that does 45mpg. Oh, it may chuck out more black stuff but over its lifetime if it's burnt less fuel overall its got to be cleaner.
Anyway, the Ozone hole's grown back so that's alright then.
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Not at all, it was a glib comment. We know what the emissions are from an exhaust of a Euro III, IV, V and projected levels for VI are. The diesel is the same diesel whatever engine it is dropped into.
A DPF equipped diesel does not make the chemicals disappear, they are stored for disposal later.
Similarly DI petrol engines for Euro VI have the same PM levels as diesel.
I think rather than complicating the tax take alternative simpler solutions should be investigated before complicating the process further.
We should not be encouraging politicians by accepting when they say we need more taxes we just shrug our shoulders and say fair enough. How much would you like in addition?
The government are currently spending £10bn more than they take each month. Some would say the austerity is being applied to some areas more than others. Imagine if your expenditure outstripped your earnings each month, how long could that go on for?
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I don't have to imagine it, I'm living it. Blame wives having access to online clothes stores where you just click and stuff gets bought. No use taking the card off her - the details are already stored at the merchant's. And more merchants appear, like layers of an onion, as they reach unsustainable monthly payment amounts...
But hey ho, eh?
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Boris Johnson is a cyclist. There's nothing worse than a lungful of diesel smoke when you are out of breath riding a bike, I remember from 62 years ago.
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Sorry, can't resist this....it doesn't stop them crawling up a lorry's exhaust pipe!
Pat
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Scrap diesel cars? - Old Navy
