Non-motoring > What do you make of this sentence? Miscellaneous
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 19:40 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
Given the evidence.
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 19:49 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Manatee
Not a sentence?
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 19:51 
 What do you make of this sentence? - WillDeBeest
Without a finite verb it's not a sentence, it's a clause.
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 19:56 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
If only I could find my coat.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-25760732
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 20:29 
 What do you make of this sentence? - R.P.
No choice. He pleaded guilty to murder and was given the minimum term. Tragic though
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 21:00 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
What about the known side effects of the drug. I find it quite strange.

Haven't there been cases where people have committed Murder whilst sleep walking and got off?
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 21:06 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Zero
I got the feeling that was not considered for the murder of the daughter, which seems to have been treated as considered, calculated and premeditated.
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 21:22 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
There but for the grace of.........
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 21:47 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Bromptonaut
It's murder so judge has no option but life.

Minimum term of 17yrs for a double murder is on face of it lenient. OTOH given his age and health it's effectively a 'whole of life' tariff.

Presumably there was evidence about effect of meds. Looks about right to me.
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 21:48 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
Haven't there been cases where people have committed Murder whilst sleep walking and got off?
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 22:07 
 What do you make of this sentence? - NortonES2
And other let-offs due to insanity. M'Naghten rules, dating from 1843 or so. And relating to sleepwalking, Wiki "In Bratty, Lord Denning observed obiter that a crime committed while sleepwalking would appear to him to be one committed as an automaton. However, the ruling in R v Sullivan that diseases of the mind need have no permanence led many academics to suggest that sleepwalkers might well be found to be suffering from a disease of the mind with internal causes unless there was clear evidence of an external causal factor."
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 22:20 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
That's cleared that up then:-)
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 23:41 
 What do you make of this sentence? - bathtub tom
>>Redfern pleaded guilty to murdering Sarah and the manslaughter of his wife.

Would the judge have any alternative in view of the guilty plea?
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New Thu 16 Jan 14 23:46 
 What do you make of this sentence? - CGNorwich
None whatsoever. As pointed out above life sentence is mandatory. Judge just decides the tariff i.e the minimum number of years prisoner must serve.
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 10:13 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Mapmaker
He is sentenced for the deliberate killing of his daughter in order to cover up the inadvertent killing of his wife. Makes sense to me. Ghastly man, they should throw away the keys.
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 10:32 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Crankcase
Don't wish to thread hijack, but what do we make of THIS sentence? What does it take to get to prison these days?

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Convicted-hit-and-run-killer-back-in-Cambridge-Crown-Court-for-drug-offences-20140117070024.htm

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New Fri 17 Jan 14 11:04 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Bromptonaut
Without knowing the full facts of the dangerous driving offence it's difficult to comment on whether suspended sentence was right or not. Presumably though the judge would have had guidelines from the sentencing council.

Surprised in circs and conviction, albeit on a guilty plea, for dealing that he's not been committed to Crown Court for sentence.
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 11:06 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Crankcase
That IS the Crown Court, surely?
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 11:09 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Bromptonaut
>> That IS the Crown Court, surely?

You're quite right. My mind was diverted by weird fish eye picture of Mags Ct.
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 11:17 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Crankcase
Actually it pretty much looks like that in reality. Court Architecture is no longer magisterial.
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 14:51 
 What do you make of this sentence? - Bromptonaut
Judge's full sentencing remarks in respect of Redfern are here:

www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-redfern-sentencing-remarks.pdf
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Fri 17 Jan 14 at 14:52
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New Fri 17 Jan 14 18:31 
 What do you make of this sentence? - MD
Much clearer now.
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