The new VW Golf like the Audi A3 sportback are now fitting these devices to free up space on the centre console (never heard such nonsense). However does anyone have experience of these, particularly the AutoHold function, where pressure is maintained in the brake sytem until such time as you gradually release the clutch and and employ suffficient gas, to pull away on steep-ish hills?
I wonder just how well these devices fare on 10% hills or steeper.
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They work fine in my experience, or if you dont trust the hill hold you can apply the brake and it will release as you pull away in most applications
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I have an electronic parking brake and auto hold on my VW. Works well. Auto hold does not using the parking brake - it just holds the brakes on for you. When it's on the brake pedal won't move at all so it's maintaining pressure for you.
EPB releases automatically too if auto hold is on. And it does so seamlessly.
I don't think the reason for EPB is to free up space - personal view. It makes switch from LHD to RHD easier and therefore cheaper. Only a switch needs moving and all the switches are swapped over around the gearstick in the conversion anyway.
Would I have both again? Yes. Only tip is to make sure you don't do something that stops the auto application of EPB when you park because you'll assume it engages automatically when you take off the seat belt or stop the car.... but it is possible to prevent it happening.
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I am really querying whether on a steep hill the brake pressure would be released before the clutch had taken sufficient 'bite'? When you're in control with the good old handbrake lever you can feel your car straining slightly at which point you release the handbrake. This can vary depending on the severity of the hill.
We have some 1in4 hills in Cudham, Kent and it's a bit of a job holding the car with a handbrake applying itself onto a caliper.
Would you like to have to stop on the Hardnott and Wrynose passes in the Lake District with these newer subtstitutes?
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OG if you're regularly doing 1 in 4 hill starts you would be better off IMO finding a car with a real handbrake that operates well.
Most handbrakes work well enough, both rear caliper designs and rear drums even when the drums are small affairs inside the outer disc (top hat design), but need sensible maintenance and the correct method of adjustment...not simply tightening the cable which seems to be the chosen method.
If hill starts at that angle are regular i'd also be looking for a car with a low first and reverse gear ratios and stump pulling low engine speed torque, some cars and 4x4s can surprise by their total inadequacy at steep pull offs requiring serious abuse of clutch and drivetrain to manage with obvious short life expectancy of the parts, usually find proper autos able to cope admirably.
Steep hill starts like this will not suit one of satans automated manual boxes either, with or without the electric handbrake.
Last edited by: gordonbennet on Sun 17 Mar 13 at 11:45
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I tend to stall the Insignia about 1/3 of the time when attempting to use the hill hold feature. Need to find a steep hill with no one watching and practice, as it's getting a bit embarrassing.
The only vehicle I've known that can do it properly is a Ford Transit, which although it had a manual handbrake had a fantastic hill start assist, feeding in the power and easing off the brakes perfectly no matter what incline you were on.
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My Ceed has hill hold, it holds the brakes on for two seconds after you release the brake pedal.............if the hill is steep enough. On a gentle slope it can't be relied on as it may not activate.
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>> My Ceed has hill hold, it holds the brakes on for two seconds after you
>> release the brake pedal.............if the hill is steep enough. On a gentle slope it can't
>> be relied on as it may not activate.
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This isn't Hill Hold Assist. I driven a Polo with that. As you say, that hold for about 2 seconds max and was quite useful.
I'm talking about AutoHold as fitted to many cars and which is standard on the new Golf and also the Audi A3(not standard here for some strange reason).
This means when you come to a stop, forever how long, the brakes stay on until such time as you pull away by engaging gear and then releasing the clutch whilst applying the accelerator. In the DSG version merely applying the accelerator releases the brake line pressure.
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I stand corrected, KIA call it "Hill start assist".
Just another gadget looking for a problem, or for drivers who can't use the handbrake because they are busy texting.
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>> I stand corrected, KIA call it "Hill start assist".
The 320d has it too. It would be more useful if you could predict when it will and won't engage. Not something I would ever rely on. That's what the handbrake (conventional mechanical lever, thankfully) is for.
When the system first kicked in, I thought my brakes were sticking :-)
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>> The only vehicle I've known that can do it properly is a Ford Transit,
I believe thats a simple design so should last, i found it quite by chance loading them at Southampton.
Hows that Insignia going apart from the all but useless hill hold FF, all you wanted in a car?
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Answering the original question. The VW auto hold will do what you want. But if it's on, it will also auto release the parking brake seamlessly when you pull away. So on a hill why not put on the EPB and rely on the auto hold function to release the EPB?
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Very happy, though the DAB radio has broken and Vauxhall have run out of ideas on how to fix it.
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>> Very happy, though the DAB radio has broken and Vauxhall have run out of ideas
>> on how to fix it.
Not too bad a list then, assuming VX haven't done as some (all?) other makers and made the audio warranty a rather short one.
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>> Very happy, though the DAB radio has broken and Vauxhall have run out of ideas
>> on how to fix it.
I have an idea. Buy an aftermarket unit such as a Pure Highway and plug it into the aux input.
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>> I am really querying whether on a steep hill the brake pressure would be released
>> before the clutch had taken sufficient 'bite'? When you're in control with the good old
>> handbrake lever you can feel your car straining slightly at which point you release the
>> handbrake. This can vary depending on the severity of the hill.
>> We have some 1in4 hills in Cudham, Kent and it's a bit of a job
>> holding the car with a handbrake applying itself onto a caliper.
>> Would you like to have to stop on the Hardnott and Wrynose passes in the
>> Lake District with these newer subtstitutes?
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In the Volvo the automatic release of the EPB needs clutch to start to bite plus throttle. If you just lift the clutch it will eventually stall, so its easy to feel the bite then as you add throttle it releases and makes for a smooth getaway (except when Mrs B is driving when it stalls, and trys to restart, but she hits the sop start button and stops it again....)
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>> Would I have both again? Yes. Only tip is to make sure you don't do
>> something that stops the auto application of EPB when you park because you'll assume it
>> engages automatically when you take off the seat belt or stop the car.... but it
>> is possible to prevent it happening.
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Not an issue in the Volvo as it never engages automatically, only when you press the button
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>> >> Would I have both again? Yes. Only tip is to make sure you don't
>> Not an issue in the Volvo as it never engages automatically, only when you press
>> the button
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The manual for the VW says that the ebrake, when the car is stationary, can be applied by just pressing the button in the same way as applying a conventional handbrake however it will be automatically be applied by at least unbuckling the seat belt and by another means as well, although I cannot remember what that was.
Releasing the ebrake when stationary ,say, to allow your car to move back or forward a bit however requires the driver to turn on the ignition and then press the foot brake whilst pressing the ebrake button to the 'off' position or else just engage gear and drive away if that is want you want to do.
If when i am hosing down my car and the hose is a bit too short, I can of course just open the door, reach across to the handbrake lever and release it to move the car a few feet (not in gear of course!). Now, that would not be possible with the ebrake.
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>> If when i am hosing down my car and the hose is a bit too
>> short, I can of course just open the door, reach across to the handbrake lever
>> and release it to move the car a few feet (not in gear of course!).
>> Now, that would not be possible with the ebrake.
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Probably something you've done thousands of times before but now, because one person has managed to run themselves over, we find legislation being tightened to the point where you will not be able to do anything in a car without being sat in the drivers seat with the key in the ignition.
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>> Probably something you've done thousands of times before but now, because one person has managed
>> to run themselves over, we find legislation being tightened to the point where you will
>> not be able to do anything in a car without being sat in the drivers
>> seat with the key in the ignition.
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True, true. It seems we motorist are being manipulated in so many ways especially those of us who are tempted by new cars every few years, as indeed I am with this new Golf MK7. Perhaps I should resist.
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Perhaps I should resist.
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Yes you should OG, buy something that doesn't have all the rubbish you don't want and make a point of telling the dealer exactly why you've gone elsewhere.
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Except the auto-hold and EPB seem to work okay on VAG cars. I've not heard horror stories.
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>> Except the auto-hold and EPB seem to work okay on VAG cars. I've not heard
>> horror stories.
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You could always google "vw electronic parking brake fault" and work through the results list. Leave yourself some time though. I got "About 251,000 results".
As usual with the evil VAG empire, they release their gimmicks onto the public, supported by their publicity machine (the so-called "independent" motoring press, who fawn all over them), then let their customers find all the faults - at great cost to themselves. (Fixing EPB problems costs hundreds of pounds, for example).
No wonder VAG make so much money. *******s ! (Self-censored)
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>> I don't think the reason for EPB is to free up space - personal view.
>> It makes switch from LHD to RHD easier and therefore cheaper. Only a switch needs
>> moving and all the switches are swapped over around the gearstick in the conversion anyway.
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And with a conventional lever in the middle, nothing needs changing at all bar the trim!
I reckon it's all about cost (as usual). You swap a load of cabling, a lever arrangment and adjustment in assembly for plugging a switch and two connections at the calipers into the wiring loom.
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The good news, if you want a VAG car, is that Skodas, including the new Octavia and Rapid, have proper handbrakes - and still cost less than the equivalent VWs.
I've no doubt that one can get used to an EPB, as RTJ has for example - but what evidence is there that the car-buying public wanted it? I still see it as an answer to a problem that nobody had.
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We have the hill-hold function on our DSG 'twincharger' Golf VI, it's standard fitment in Aus. I also had the feature on my manual 330d. In both cases I find it useful and unobtrusive, whilst I wouldn't go out of my way to specify it neither would I avoid it. IIRC it was particularly useful when towing with the 330d.
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>> We have the hill-hold function on our DSG 'twincharger' Golf VI, it's standard fitment in
>> Aus. I also had the feature on my manual 330d. In both cases I find
>> it useful and unobtrusive, whilst I wouldn't go out of my way to specify it
>> neither would I avoid it. IIRC it was particularly useful when towing with the 330d.
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Everything is 'useful and unobtrusive' that is until it goes wrong. Faults or failures in these mentioned gimmicks cost the earth to rectify and replace/adjust I would imagine, having looked at some Youtube clips of VAG footage of their maintenance and servicing.
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>> Everything is 'useful and unobtrusive' that is until it goes wrong. Faults or failures in
>> these mentioned gimmicks cost the earth to rectify and replace/adjust I would imagine, having looked
>> at some Youtube clips of VAG footage of their maintenance and servicing.
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Well yes and no.... I'd suggest that many of these features (like another recent thread discussing auto-parking) are just software so (arguably) inexpensive to 'repair'. The electro-mechanical componentry is very possibly 'already in situ' e.g. for a hill/hold - the brake actuators and ABSu sensors are already in place for their conventional function.
Now the reliability of software is a separate issue but in my trade there is an adage "software eventually works, hardware eventually fails".
The increased use of embedded computational power is ubiquitous and certainly not confined to your car (phone, television, microwave oven, fridge - the list is long).
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>> >> Everything is 'useful and unobtrusive' that is until it goes wrong. Faults or failures
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>> The increased use of embedded computational power is ubiquitous and certainly not confined to your
>> car (phone, television, microwave oven, fridge - the list is long).
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I think your analogy with phones, household goods etc. is a bit weak. They work but if not, are usually scrapped and replaced but generally just sit there doing what is required of them. A car filled with a lot of what I would consider to be unnecessary gimmicks is quite another matter and failure usually means a lot of inconvenient visits to main dealers where their 'fitters' and technicians may have trouble solving problems.
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>> I think your analogy with phones, household goods etc. is a bit weak. They work
>> but if not, are usually scrapped and replaced but generally just sit there doing what
>> is required of them. A car filled with a lot of what I would consider
>> to be unnecessary gimmicks is quite another matter and failure usually means a lot of
>> inconvenient visits to main dealers where their 'fitters' and technicians may have trouble solving problems.
I think you are perhaps conflating two things: the adoption of embedded computational capability in many applications (and cars specifically) and the lack of skills (or even de-skilling) of those charged with repairing them ?
Mechanical devices fail, electrical and electronic devices fail, software usually contains bugs (which can arguably be fixed). all of these things can cause problems with your car. Modularising the components and increasing the sophistication of diagnostics (via software and sensors) is the way to address the skills / cost aspect of your concern but brings with it increased software complexity.
The computational power is already in your car today, the sensors and actuators are already in your car today for other purposes (ABS, Stability Control etc), using them for an extra purpose (hill hold) is no major step.
I think I have a very similar car to you - a Golf VI DSG, the DSG is a great example of an electro-mechanical solution, generally it's good but it can be 'tricked' into being jerky in certain circumstances. It's not ideal but generally it's actually very good in my opinion, if it fails I understand it can be very expensive to repair. However - the only item to have failed (so far) in 6 months is the rear cup holder, it will require an irksome visit to a dealer to get it fixed and surely cannot be blamed on increased complexity in the car ?
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Well from what I have read and experienced from friends who have the same DSG gearbox, it throws up a lot of problems especially with the Mechatronics control unit. I think the concept is fine for general fast motoring but is a PITA when manoeuvring in tight places. Give me a manual ever time or least a good Auto box as fitted to, say, the BMWs.
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Manoeuvring a DSG equipped car with auto-hold means it does not creep if you tap the brakes.... auto hold kicks in. That's what I think was happening when I test drove a car with both in 2011.
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Have the system in a Passat - works well as long as you have your seatbelt on ! ! ! ! !
Real question is if you pass your test with one of these and then get into a car with a manual handbrake could you do a hill start?
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I shudder to think of electronic handbrakes in 6 year or older cars... A couple of years neglect and six years wear and tear ...and £££££s
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>> I shudder to think of electronic handbrakes in 6 year or older cars... A couple
>> of years neglect and six years wear and tear ...and £££££s
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Except (in this case) it's just software - nothing additional to neglect, the actuators and sensors (and computer) are already in situ for other purposes e.g. ABS.
Now, if the manufacturer stops supporting the software (ECU updates) then you have a problem...
Have we seen problems and expense as a result of the move to drive-by-wire throttles which I would suggest are broadly analogous ? In fact these explain the increasing fitment of cruise control as it's ostensibly just a software feature in cars with drive-by-wire throttles.
If your car is less than 10 years old it is already likely to be reliant on a computer (the ECUs) and a network (CAMBUS).
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I am very wary of these too. My friend had a Passat with one and it was always playing up. Consequences of course could be dire...
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>> Have we seen problems and expense as a result of the move to drive-by-wire throttles
>> which I would suggest are broadly analogous ?
On phase 1 Volvo V70's it was a big issue but only the ones made by Magnetti Marelli, because they had a sliding contact that wore out. The Bosch ones were fine. Some older Audi's too. You don't hear of many problems now.
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>> Manoeuvring a DSG equipped car with auto-hold means it does not creep if you tap
>> the brakes.... auto hold kicks in. That's what I think was happening when I test
>> drove a car with both in 2011.
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I found this in the Sharan we hired last year, but there was a button by the EPB to disengage the auto hold for just such these occasions
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There is indeed a button for that. And then you'll forget you turned it off so if you rely on the car engaging the EPB automatically when you stop the engine or take off your seatbelt you'll find it didn't... and when you get out the car will roll away :-)
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I've been interested in reading people's experiences in operating a DSG box with an electronic handbrake, because this type of handbrake works slightly differently with an Audi Multitronic (CVT) unit.
You can simply use the dedicated button to set the handbrake on or off, or you can press down hard on the brake pedal for a couple of seconds. The difference is that pressing down on the brake only holds the handbrake on for a few seconds. (This is useful in parking operations).
Like the DSG, pressing the accelerator also causes the handbrake to release automatically.
The multitronic will creep, though you sometimes need to press the accelerator a little bit on hills, and it's not such a fine control as a proper conventional automatic (but not bad at all).
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>> Like the DSG, pressing the accelerator also causes the handbrake to release automatically.
When I test drove a car with DSG and auto-hold, I was trying to reverse park it back at the dealers (and trying out the reverse camera + sensors too)....
... yes the brakes released if you pressed the accelerator but if you touched the brake pedal they were on again. The car would not creep like a torque converter auto. Well it does but not if auto-hold was on and you touched the brakes. I can see moving in slow traffic being the same.
The result for me was slightly jerky progress. I hadn't sussed it was hill-hold causing this at the time. Maybe there a way to just touch the accelerator to release the brakes? I didn't have time to come up with ways around it.
Now if this was a traditional automatic, then you'd cover the brake pedal and use that to move into the parking space or edge forward in traffic. In a DSG with auto-hold that does not work. And in a manual it is smoother because you're using the accelerator and clutch.
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>> >> Like the DSG, pressing the accelerator also causes the handbrake to release automatically.
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>> When I test drove a car with DSG and auto-hold, I was trying to reverse
>> park it back at the dealers (and trying out the reverse camera + sensors too)....
>> with auto-hold that does not work. And in a manual it is smoother because you're
>> using the accelerator and clutch.
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Surely couldn't you just switch off AutoHold using the button by the gear lever?
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Dear Lord, the last few posts describing the faff involved in simply parking or hill starting a car equipped with satans parking brake plus gearbox could drive a man to drink, press this then do that then don't forget to unpress it again or xyz won't work when button b should, rubbish.
I'll stick with real auto's or i'll stick with a real manual box, either of which i'll be having with a real handbrake with no electric interference ta very much.
Makes car buying and ownership of same simple.
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Face it GB, you're a dying breed. More's the pity :)
I'd rather have a decent ventilation system that supplies cold and hot air at the same time. Where's that gone on modern cars? (Apart from a few exceptions).
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>> you're a dying breed.
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At last someone who appreciates the seriousness of my current worlds worse case of man flu...;)
Dy'er know though, picked me old Benz up from my indy yesterday following its annual full service (yes full brake strip clean lube as always) and MOT, yet again i was reminded of the pleasure of owning something so simple yet so nice and simple fast and pleasurable to drive.
They can poke all this modern computerised unreliable tat where the sun don't shine.
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>> They can poke all this modern computerised unreliable tat where the sun don't shine.
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Haven't you heard, GB, that's the next big development?
It's going to be called "Seat of the pants" driving. ;-)
(And there'll be no "butts" about it!)
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>> yet again i
>> was reminded of the pleasure of owning something so simple yet so nice and simple
>> fast and pleasurable to drive.
Seriously thinking about an E34 5 series estate. Simple, solid beasts like your Merc. Trouble is finding a good one.
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I really like the E39 too C, not really had to much to do with larger BMW's, haven't seen an E34 for a long time.
Is it too clever for its own long term good like the later models in all makes appear to be with too few exceptions?
I've been tempted by BM's and have kicked meself several times for not buying a genuine 03 plate low miles M5 going for a song at the start of the recession at a main dealer.
Its only cos i have such a good make specialist indy thats kept the Benz on track and why it may yet get replaced with another.
Coincidence...just come back from the town 5 minutes ago and saw the W124 Diesel saloon we sold about 5 years ago, still looks good, that car was seriously pampered in our hands.
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>> I really like the E39 too C, not really had to much to do with
>> larger BMW's, haven't seen an E34 for a long time.
If it comes to it I'll look at E39's. Much more choice.
>> Is it too clever for its own long term good like the later models in
>> all makes appear to be with too few exceptions?
Well, they reckon the E39 is the last of the 'proper' BMW's. The diesels can be expensive money pits if they go wrong like any car. The petrols need their cooling system renewed at some point, but it's all fairly cheap and easy to work on. Suspension more complex than the 3 series but the ride is leagues ahead. The auto is steptronic which means it learns your driving style and compensates, but it still drives like a proper auto. They are good long lasting 'boxes but not quite as good as the four speed in your Merc, which is one of the best 'boxes out there.
>> Its only cos i have such a good make specialist indy thats kept the Benz
>> on track and why it may yet get replaced with another.
I think you just have to accept that they don't have Japanese reliability and need more preventative maintenance, but there's just something about German machines, especially the bigger engined ones.
>> Coincidence...just come back from the town 5 minutes ago and saw the W124 Diesel saloon
>> we sold about 5 years ago, still looks good, that car was seriously pampered in
>> our hands.
It's great seeing your old car's still being used. My old 3 series touring is towing a blooming caravan now :(
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No, I think the problem here is Satan's invention, the DSG box and marry THAT with electronic handbrake/Autohold and then you have got a problem.
I think, just about, I have resigned myself to having a new Golf with a manual box and the ebrake etc. and would find the autohold useful stopping and starting on inclines etc. A jerky DSG box a deffo no despite its claimed millisecond gear shifts - who cares?
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Oldgit, that's what I concluded about the DSG in the first (brief) test drive I had. On open roads the DSG would be fine - but so would a manual. In the traffic where I might find an auto useful I'd fine the DSG annoying. And for parking.
The 72 hour test drive I had for the same car was in a manual. And I got one. I found the EPB and auto-hold fine. I just thought the 140PS diesel was underpowered so I was glad I went for the 170PS - it was and is much better.
Now for my next car I will have to (on looks and cost) seriously consider the new Mazda6. It will be cheaper list price than an equivalent VW and it has a proper parking brake. And the auto is a proper torque converter if I wanted one.... and emissions for the auto are okay too.
Or I'd have to take a look at the new Octavia... or anything else that's new in about 12 months time depending on lead times.
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>> Surely couldn't you just switch off AutoHold using the button by the gear lever?
Yes - but on my test drive of a car with auto-hold and DSG for the first time I thought it was a DSG thing.
But if you need to turn off auto-hold to park easily - what's the point in having it?
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>> >> Surely couldn't you just switch off AutoHold using the button by the gear lever?
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>> But if you need to turn off auto-hold to park easily - what's the point
>> in having it?
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I can't answer that until such time as I get the new Golf. I don't see any problem in switching off Autohold allied with a manual box.
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Oldgit, please don't be offended.
You obviously are not that keen on these systems, and its not as if you are being forced into a company car that you don't want that goes with a job.
Yet you're going to pay your own hard earned for a car with braking systems you're not entirely happy with.
Maybe its me but i can't understand why when other cars of comparable status (won't get into the perceived or actual quality argument), New Auris for example, are available still sporting a real handrake.
I know i'm very biased against these things well the more complicated, my years on car transporters with the close steep angled intricate manoeuvers involved caused me to detest them, so make allowances..;)
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>> Oldgit, please don't be offended.
>> I know i'm very biased against these things well the more complicated, my years on
>> car transporters with the close steep angled intricate manoeuvers involved caused me to detest them,
>> so make allowances..;)
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I just like a challenge and don't like to be defeated by modern technology. I detest most Japanese cars from the point of view to sitting in them and viewing their often poor interior designs. To my mind the Auris is horrible from purely an appearance aspect however, if anything, the new Kia C'eed is quite an interesting car, now.
I have now owned two Golfs and love them but perhaps am living in a fool's paradise thinking that they are something apart from the Ford and Vauxhall equivalent. Have you seen the interior of the latest Ford Focus? It's not a place I would want to spend a lot of time in.
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I don't think you can compare the interior of a Ford Focus with that of most VAG cars. Not a fair comparison for design or materials.
Oldgit why aren't you getting an extended test drive (48 hours) for a car and see what you think? I think the EPB is fine but not with DSG and then I know it can be turned off for manoeuvring.
Only you know if the EPB with auto hold will be okay for you. I think it will be.
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>> I don't think you can compare the interior of a Ford Focus with that of
>> most VAG cars. Not a fair comparison for design or materials.
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>> Oldgit why aren't you getting an extended test drive (48 hours) for a car and
>> see what you think? I think the EPB is fine but not with DSG and
>> then I know it can be turned off for manoeuvring.
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>> Only you know if the EPB with auto hold will be okay for you. I
>> think it will be.
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Hey, hold on a bit. I am months away from even ordering one yet! Incidentally if you know a South Londone VW dealer who'd give anyone an extended test drive then please let me know.
One in Bromley is in the middle of a lot of congested streets and is of little uee for the usual "follow my instructions, while I guide you around the block" type of test drive usually allowed. They do have a branch in Sevenoaks that would be better but my test drive in the Golf MK5 in 2004 was little more than a round trip of about 4 miles. Many dealers aren't very generous with their test drives.
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Can't offer advice for dealers as I live in the north. I had a 20 minute test drive in a 170PS DSG Passat CC one Saturday about 2 years ago. That was a blast on the motorway and some local (to the dealer) driving. And enough questions were raised in my mind about DSG that I dismissed it. Plus the cost for me as a company car driver was significant enough to not pursue.
I then got a test drive for a weekend (Friday morning to Monday morning) of the car as a manual via their business arm. It was technically arranged via my lease company but in reality we did it the other way around - they agreed to give me the car and we managed to get them the order if I like it ;-) And it worked out for both of us.
I got promised cars from their business team as 'loan' cars when mine goes in for a service. And they have some nice cars. Better than a Polo for sure. Looking like I'll have one service in this car over 3 years though.
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''Have you seen the interior of the latest Ford Focus? It's not a place I would want to spend a lot of time in. ''
I'm afraid Fords do absolutely nothing for me, underwhelmed has been the common factor every time, however lots of people like them and they seem to last reasonably well.
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I have a VW Tiguan, I also have a short but quite steep driveway. When the driveway is slippery I have found that when I drive onto it the car holds OK on AutoHold but as soon as I stop the engine, the car slides backward. I don't think that this is a brake problem, more a weight distribution issue on the Tiguan as I've lived at the same house for many years, had many different cars and have never experienced this problem before.
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>>I don't think that this is a brake problem, more a weight distribution issue on the Tiguan as I've lived at the same house for many years, had many different cars and have never experienced this problem before.
I'd be having a good look at the tyres effendi.
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@DougieM
Please could you clarify whether the car is rolling back or whether the rear wheels are locked/sliding?
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>> holds OK on AutoHold but as soon as I stop the engine, the car slides backward
You are seeing the electronic parking brake apply aren't you? If auto hold is on and you're wearing your seatbelt it will automatically engage. But if say your seat belt is not on then it won't.
There will be a slight pause between switching off ignition and the motors engaging the parking brake. Maybe it's a timing issue and you should put the electronic parking brake on yourself before switching off the engine.
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Are you leaving it in gear or in neutral?
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I like my electronic handbrake on the C4 Picasso.
I soon got used to it and it works fine.Maybe a old habit when the car is stopped and the handbrake is on I always leave it in first gear.
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No problems with the electronic handbrake on our C4 Pic. The hill hold works OK - although sometimes it and I get confused when parking when I want it to roll a few inches against the gear engaged but it won't!! We just had to have new secondary cables on ours for MOT - at least on these you can just fit new cables. On many of the module + cable types the cables are not available separately from the control box at ££££ - the Mk3 C5 is like this.....
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>> I want it to
>> roll a few inches against the gear engaged but it won't!!
Curious, why do you want to do that?
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>> >> I want it to
>> >> roll a few inches against the gear engaged but it won't!!
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>> Curious, why do you want to do that?
If you need to go back and forth once or twice, and you're on a slope, don't you just dip the clutch and let it roll? I think that was how I discovered that the Outlander has hill hold. Damn nuisance actually.
Last edited by: Manatee on Sat 20 Feb 16 at 11:21
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Volkswagen Golf VI - Electronic Handbrakes?AutoHold and hill starts. - mikeyb
