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 Thu 22 Mar 12 10:01 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Falkirk Bairn
It is market forces at play.

Government increases RFL, Petrol/Diesel Duties & VAT.

Punters buy fewer car, drive fewer miles - Petrol /Diesel tax revenues for Govt coffers falls.

Punters buy smaller / more fuel efficient cars - emmissions fall - Road Tax is less per car ...........less money in Govt coffers



Can you think of the next Govt Policy to boost their falling tax receipts?
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 10:04 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - henry k
>>Can you think of the next Govt Policy to boost their falling tax receipts?
>>
From what I read company car tax is going up.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 12:35 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Cliff Pope
Perhaps an air tax, based on the volume of your house? Then air could be privatised and you would be free to buy from other providers. That would be so much more efficient than the present free for all.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 13:20 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Old Navy
Just wait until the "Green" taxes are proved to be a total scam and then watch the grubbing around for a replacement tax. Probably a tax on volcanoes, they are the biggest CO2 producers.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 13:38 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - diddy1234
don't go giving them ideas now. he he
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 13:51 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - CGNorwich
Probably a tax on volcanoes, they are>> the biggest CO2 producers.
>>

Not true I'm afraid apparently Human activities emit roughly 135 times as much climate-warming carbon dioxide as volcanoes each year.

news.discovery.com/earth/volcanoes-co2-people-emissions-climate-110627.html
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 14:02 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - zookeeper
i thought methane from ruminants was the biggest climate change scam ?
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 14:26 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Old Navy
Why has global warming become climate change? And I thought the climate had always changed. From ice age to warm period and back again.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 14:32 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Slidingpillar
Cos it's got colder in some places. As the climate has always changed, it's a safe gravy train to ride.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 14:35 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Focusless
I think it's the rate of change which is seen to be the problem at the moment.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 14:46 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Meldrew
Cow's rear ends and methane aren't helpful either
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 14:58 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - madf
New taxes:
Birth tax
Death tax
Tax when you reach 21 years old.

Rubbish tax: based on your volume of rubbish.
VAT on food.
VAT on children's clothes.
Internet tax....should raise alot
Porn tax.

The list is endless..
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 15:04 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - DP
Yup, company car tax is going up for anything emitting more than 75g/km. So in other words, anything apart from a Vauxhall Ampera or a pure electric car.

The only relief was the announcement that, in 2016, the 3% BIK surcharge for diesel powered cars will be scrapped. This will offset much of the planned increases.

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 Thu 22 Mar 12 15:40 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Kithmo
.>> Just wait until the "Green" taxes are proved to be a total scam and then
>> watch the grubbing around for a replacement tax. Probably a tax on volcanoes, they are
>> the biggest CO2 producers.

This government have already shown that they don't care about the environment when they hinted at building businesses being more important than green belts in the budget.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 17:17 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - madf
>> .>> Just wait until the "Green" taxes are proved to be a total scam and
>> then
>> >> watch the grubbing around for a replacement tax. Probably a tax on volcanoes, they
>> are
>> >> the biggest CO2 producers.
>>
>> This government have already shown that they don't care about the environment when they hinted
>> at building businesses being more important than green belts in the budget.
>>

The trouble is; we have a rising population which needs economic growth if living standrads are not to drop dramatically.

70 million plus projected..

And most of the new ones don't want to work and if they do expect a lot of money for very little...
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 18:50 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Old Navy
>> And most of the new ones don't want to work and if they do expect
>> a lot of money for very little...
>>

Not just the new ones, I heard or read recently that when unemployed indigenous youngsters were told that there were plenty of jobs available at a local Jobcenter the response was "I am not doing that sort of work, they are immigrant jobs".
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 20:04 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - zippy
>>> "I am not doing that sort of work, they are immigrant jobs".

It has got to be the way they are dragged up.

My child is (I hope) heading for a profession that is still highly regarded and pays a fortune but has a Saturday job that involves serving food and cleaning up toilets.

If he can do it, anyone can!
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 20:17 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Old Navy
>> If he can do it, anyone can!
>>

I agree, Many youngsters have had an easy upbringing with parents unable to say "No" and have produced kids with expectations way beyond their capabilities.
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 Thu 22 Mar 12 22:59 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Alastairw
My lad (the almost convicted arsonist from postings passim...) should be ok then. I spend most of my waking hours saying no to him.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 04:18 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Pat
>>And most of the new ones don't want to work and if they do expect a lot of money for very little... <<

I don't think that's true anymore than I think there are as many benefit fiddlers around as the media would have us believe.

True, there are some and we all know one but it's much like good drivers.

There are a vast majority of good drivers about but we never remember those we see, only the idiots who do it badly.

Pat
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 09:24 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - CGNorwich
I agree. Most youngsters are keen to work. It must be soul destroying to keep being told that unemployment is somehow all your fault. I know of some school leavers who have applied for dozens if not hundreds of jobs. When most of us left school you could virtually walk into a job, I left one and got another in the same day. How would many of us fare in today's job market?
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 09:32 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - -
How would many of us fare in today's job market?
>>

By doing it the old way, knocking on the right door and a good helping of lady luck, worked again for me recently.

The youngsters need to do this too, a good cold call approach if you are lucky enough to find someone who has the say works wonders, half way to getting the job if you impress the employer by showing him how you would approach his or her customers, be at the chosen site early when those in power are arriving for their work.

Youngsters, in fact anyone really wanting a job should carry copies of a well written but concise on one page CV so they can hand it over should the potential employer request one...another good impression, be prepared and all that.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 09:43 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - CGNorwich
Good advice GB. The point was making though that when many of us left school it was so easy to get a job. We weren't necessarily more determined or better skilled than today youngsters there were just more jobs about Many criticising today young simply have no idea how difficult it is to get a job in the he current market . Not necessarily impossible but very very difficult in some parts of the UK.

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 Fri 23 Mar 12 09:56 
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Indeed CGN, it was easier for us, but maybe we had more realistic expectations in the first place, and were prepared to start at the bottom, depending on our education and realistic qualifications.

It comes to something when, as i do, you visit places where the foreign (if not born then by extraction) workers are presentable, polite and well read and spoken in our language, and the local yoof often not in the same league in many but not all cases, i can understand why foreigners are seemingly chosen in preference in many cases.

Thats a generalisation as you know, but regularly i come to the same conclusion as i go about my work.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 10:01 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Falkirk Bairn
>>>The point was making though that when many of us left school it was so easy to get a job.


I left school @ 16yrs old 5 X Highers (and too young for Uni) in 1963 - everybody boy /girl got a job and every man had a job, women who had young kids did not work (no nurseries!)................I cut grass / levelled ground around new Council Houses (They built Council Houses 50 years ago) £4.00 for 40 hours

Why were there jobs? We used to make things - metal bashing, ships, plant & machinery, knitwear, clothing factories...........even the poorest kids got jobs - delivery boy for butchers, grocer etc

To hold down a job the kids had to turn up on time 5 x days a week (like everyone else) and were grateful for their £3.00 @ 15/16 year old every Friday.

There was a work ethic - no dreams of Xfactor and Britain's Got Talent or dole money for sitting at home.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 10:13 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - L'escargot
>> Good advice GB. The point was making though that when many of us left school
>> it was so easy to get a job. We weren't necessarily more determined or better
>> skilled than today youngsters there were just more jobs about Many criticising today young simply
>> have no idea how difficult it is to get a job in the he current
>> market . Not necessarily impossible but very very difficult in some parts of the UK.

My technique was ......

(a) Decide which part(s) of the country I was prepared to work in, if necessary being prepared to leave home or move house.
(b) Decide which category of business I wanted to work in.
(c) Find all the companies in area (a) which ran a business as per (b).
(d) Contact all the companies as per (c) letting them know I was available to work for them and telling them my qualifications and experience ~ the more companies the better, and I'm talking hundreds not tens.

On occasions, heads of department will realise that the applicant is just the sort of person they need to carry out a job which hadn't previously been seen as a vacancy, and hence hadn't been advertised as being a vacancy. Applying for jobs which have already been advertised means that you're up against a lot of competition. Jobs advertised in national newspapers get more applicants then jobs advertised in local newspepers. Jobs which aren't advertised don't get any competition.

It worked for me on two occasions when I was out of a job, and the technique was endorsed by more than one personnel manager.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 10:32 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - henry k
>>By doing it the old way, knocking on the right door and a good helping of lady luck

>>...a good cold call approach if you are lucky enough to find someone who has the say works wonders,

>>Youngsters, in fact anyone really wanting a job should carry copies of a well written but concise on one page CV so they can hand it over should the potential employer request one...another good impression, be prepared and all that.

That is exactly the approach that my son took re his first retail job while still at school.
Dressed smartly, he still got " Sorry no vacancies!." His response was " Well here is my CV and PLEASE will you ensure this goes to the right person in recruitment."
Our phone was ringing in no time with an offer of a job.
He was then head hunted by another franchise in the store and certainly earned a lot of ££s while still at school.

Communication, communication, communication!. He excels at it in a proper way and all through life it has paid massive dividends.


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 Fri 23 Mar 12 10:52 
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>> Communication, communication, communication!. He excels at it in a proper way and all through life
>> it has paid massive dividends.

Well done him Henry, the beauty of his approach is that he builds an including whilst still at school long as your arm CV, good work record morphs into good reputation, means more work offers.

L'es's aproach was good variation the theme and certainly the way to do it when distance is a problem.

You have to stand out as being a cut above the competition.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 12:32 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Zero
>> How would many of us fare in today's job market?
>> >>
>>
>> By doing it the old way, knocking on the right door and a good helping
>> of lady luck, worked again for me recently.
>>
>> The youngsters need to do this too, a good cold call approach if you are
>> lucky enough to find someone who has the say works wonders, half way to getting
>> the job if you impress the employer by showing him how you would approach his
>> or her customers, be at the chosen site early when those in power are arriving
>> for their work.
>>
>> Youngsters, in fact anyone really wanting a job should carry copies of a well written
>> but concise on one page CV so they can hand it over should the potential
>> employer request one...another good impression, be prepared and all that.

My son has just jumped ship again, back to vodaphone this time in a technical role. Not been out of work since he left school. Not a qualification to his name, just a clean suit, a razor, an unbroken work record, and the ability to talk to an adult in an adult manner.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 13:15 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Runfer D'Hills
Getting a job is a form of selling. Success in sales occurs when you indentify what your customer needs or wants and you provide them with a solution.They are generally not very interested in what you want.

Tips for successful selling of yourself...

Try to speak to the decision maker ( not some HR elf ), preferably face to face. Often the best way to get the boss of a company on the phone is to call between 08.00 and 08.30 or 17.30 - 18.00. They often work longer hours than the "obstacles" who protect them during "normal" office hours.

Ask for a meeting / appointment. Say you want 10 minutes of their time to explain why they should consider employing you. Suggest times / dates. Try not to be fobbed off with " call my secretary or HR " Ask them if you could come in now, you're only 5 minutes away?

If you get that chance, don't waste it. Turn up 5 minutes early. Dress appropriately to the culture of the business. Be clean. Thank them for the meeting. Have a one sheet bullet point document prepared to hand to the person setting out why you would benefit their business. Keep eye contact without being scary ! Smile a lot without looking mad !

Do not instigate any discussion on terms, conditions, pay etc. That's for the next stage.

Say that you know their business ( do some research ) and that of all the potential local employers they are at the top of your target list ( for some credible reasons ) People like to be flattered.

If you've got that far, write a note to them the following day saying how much you enjoyed meeting them and how you are now convinced that their company is where you want to be.

After 2 days, ring them again. Ask if they need anything further from you in the way of information

By this time they will love you or hate you...





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 Fri 23 Mar 12 13:07 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - John H
>> How would many of us fare in today's job market? >>

If a million Eastern Europeans and a million South Asians have the ability to come over here and get jobs which are supposed to be non-existent, it must reflect somehow on the ability or otherwise of the indigenous population to compete for or to do (or even want) those jobs.

One characteristic of the foreign born job seekers that I have noticed is that most of them do not consider the employer as an exploiter of labour, rather they consider the employer as someone they are grateful to for the opportunity to earn a living.

The answer is that if you have the right attitude to work, a good work ethic, and you do not think of any work as "beneath you", then you will find there are jobs for you.

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 Fri 23 Mar 12 14:47 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - madf
I spent 15 years in a previous life interviewing school leavers for jobs. About half had little chance of employment as they frankly had attitudes of could not care less.

My comments are based on hard experience.. in an area where unemployment was above the national average.

The good one always found jobs. The others sounded like trouble with a capital "T" .And with a Minimum Wage, no-one will take the risk.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 14:48 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - L'escargot
>> If a million Eastern Europeans and a million South Asians have the ability to come
>> over here and get jobs which are supposed to be non-existent, it must reflect somehow
>> on the ability or otherwise of the indigenous population to compete for or to do
>> (or even want) those jobs.

Exactly. You have to do what the East Europeans and South Asians do and that is move to where the jobs are. Expecting to get a job within a stone's throw of your current abode is putting too much of a restriction on your chances.
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 Fri 23 Mar 12 15:52 
 Road Tax - Govt Revenue down - Ambo
The solution to unemployment is to get another Empire. There were plenty of jobs going then, in fact I had one.
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 Sat 24 Mar 12 21:03 
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My mind wandered back to our discussion here whilst in the loos of all places..

There i was in Toddy services this morning, and ventured into the present building site gents to wash me hands etc.

Anyway there were several Brit yoofs in there, talking extra loudly as they do in extravagant street talk innit, probably around 18 to 25 in age.

After a couple of minutes i realised the speech was so bad that i honestly would have needed subtitles or an interpreter to have the faintest idea of what they were saying...was it Natsat the predicted yoof speech and from which book?...Clockwork Orange or 1984?, memory fails.
I wasn't evesdropping, you could hardly hear yourself think to P such was the conversation level.

I wondered if these youngsters would end up indeed are almost unemployable, you couldn't realistically expect anyone untrained to understand what the hell they were on about....as an employer you couldn't let them loose on the general public.

Who's to blame for these kids talking like this, parents initially i suppose...but our teachers of years gone would have made us speak reasonably when we were still in short pants...this is not an accent thing, i can understand all our regional and most foreign influenced dialects.

In the services afterwards i noticed a couple of very personable young (20's) ladies with decent looking chaps somewhat older than they holding hands etc so obviously close not related, if the young fellows in the bogs were an example of males in their age catchment i can understand why the young women were with presentable and decent looking older chaps.
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