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Thread Author: Dutchie	Replies: 58

New Thu 21 Nov 13 07:09   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Dutchie

I was chuffed Hull winning the award.Hull's twin city is Rotterdam and instead carrying on to York when they arrive in Hull,the tourist might be stopping here. Hull was a big deep sea fishing port most of the fishing of Iceland.After the Cod war no more fishing and lots of job losses.During that time I was working on the Pilot Launches seems like yesterday.Time flies.>;) Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 07:20   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Pat

It does Dutchie, it seems like only yesterday I was delivering to the wholesale market in the night with a flat trailer loaded with bags of potatoes. It was always fun pulling the sheets off on the road and folding them up in the dark. There was always a box of fruit and veg for the driver as a thank you and then an early breakfast before going into Albert Dock for timber back home. I don't deny they were good old days but we don't have to work as hard as that now:) Pat Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 16:48   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Dutchie

I didn't know you went into Alber Dock Pat,small world.Victoria dock used to be a timber dock,all the timber from Scandinavia.I know a label won't make any difference Zero but it has never been easy for Hull.Orginal Nissan was going to come to Hull,we've had some bigheaded people in the council in the past who ruled the roost. Hull is becoming more cultural the old town and the lots of museums to visit.Hull needs employement I am still hoping Siemens will come to Alexander dock to build their windmills to be placed in the North Sea.Bussisman make hardnose decisions and we have to wait. I've always being made welcome in Hull they are down to earth people and call a spade a spade.Funny enough the best Fish and chips I have tasted lately was a place in South London where my son lives.It is a funny world. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 07:36   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> I was chuffed Hull winning the award.Hull's twin city is Rotterdam and instead carrying on >> to York when they arrive in Hull,the tourist might be stopping here. Sticking a label on the place is not going to make it a better destination than York. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Thu 21 Nov 13 08:28   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - legacylad

A friend of mine went to Uni in Hull, some 35 years ago. We only visited him once and it is probably unrecognisable now. Good luck to the place, it needs all the help it can get, given its location. Mind you there are some funny jokes on Sickepedia. Last edited by: legacylad on Thu 21 Nov 13 at 08:29 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 08:40   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Cliff Pope

Hull is doomed. The entire city is below sea level, and fights a constant battle to pump the water out. I looked into property insurance there when my daughter was considering it for university, and a major problem is "secondary rising damp", a term they invented to mean there is a risk from rising groundwater levels. Reading between the lines, it sounded as if its existence depended on the government not reneging on the flood prevention deal with the insurance companies. Or is this too alarmist and not strictly true? Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 08:48   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Dog

It's got cream telephone boxes [notta lotta people know that] Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 08:53   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Duncan

>> It's got cream telephone boxes [notta lotta people know that] >> Actually, I thought most people did know that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCOM_Group Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 09:12   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - helicopter

...The entire city is below sea level.... Just like 30% or so of Holland in fact Cliff ( the actual figure is disputed ).... So Dutchie needs to keep his chubby fingers ready to put in any Dikes... Personally I have never been to and have no desire whatsoever to go to Hull , cream telephone boxes or not , IMO you cannot polish a turd by calling it a city of culture ..... ....particularly as it is also the home of John Prescott.... Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 3 Dec 13 at 12:51 Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Thu 21 Nov 13 09:18   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Dog

"Some areas of Hull lie on reclaimed land at or below sea level. The Hull Tidal Surge Barrier is at the point where the River Hull joins the Humber estuary and is lowered at times when unusually high tides are expected. It is used between 8 and 12 times per year and protects the homes of approximately 10,000 people from flooding. Due to its low level, Hull is expected to be at increasing levels of risk from flooding due to global warming. Many areas of Hull were flooded during the June 2007 United Kingdom floods, with 8600 homes and 1300 businesses affected". Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 18:44   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

"Due to its low level, Hull is expected to be at increasing levels of risk from flooding due to global warming." Except that a. Sea levels are not rising any faster than they have for thousands of years since the "last Ice Age". I put "The Last Ice Age" in quotes because we are merely in a Warm Interglacial. The "last Ice Age" still goes on. Recent figures suggest that sea level rises have recently slowed. (Yes I can provide sources if required) b. Due to Isostatic readjustment which has been taking place since "the last ice age" Northern England and Scotland are actually rising, Southern England is sinking. Raised beaches in Scotland are good evidence. (Google them). So perhaps people should be worried about heightening the London Barrage rather than raising the Hull Tidal Surge Barrier? Perhaps we should ask Al Gore, the high priest of fear-mongering about Climate Change (yes it does and has done for millions of years) about rising sea levels and why he bought a sea front residence in California? c. The floods of 2007 were nothing to do with Climate Change or rising sea levels. It just rained a LOT! And many other places have suffered much worse before and since. Hull has some dreadful areas - every city (including York, and especially London!!) has. But it also has some beautiful historic buildings and areas and some proud people who remember it as a fantastic, flourishing city; the prime fishing port in Britain. Give it a chance!! Liverpool benefitted greatly from being the city of culture - let's hope Hull can. P P.S I'm not from Hull!! Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 18:51   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Crankcase

You'll enjoy this story then Phil, if you haven't already seen it. Links to The Register, and says the Met Office is refusing an FOI request for climate change documents. Not sure I agree with that conclusion, but anyway. tinyurl.com/oq6d6fa Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 18:59   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

> >> Hull has some dreadful areas - every city (including York, and especially London!!) has. But >> it also has some beautiful historic buildings and areas and some proud people who remember >> it as a fantastic, flourishing city; the prime fishing port in Britain. Give it a >> chance!! Liverpool benefitted greatly from being the city of culture - let's hope Hull can. So the best it has managed in the last 100 years is that it stunk of fish. I suppose the decline of fish stocks is a government lie as well. Still its nice to know all these recently recurring extreme weather events are not climate change. Thats a relief. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 21:33   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

Hardly worth replying to you Z since I sense that you are just stirring. But, here goes "So the best it has managed in the last 100 years is that it stunk of fish." Well, perhaps you should research what London stank of before Mr Bazalgette came along and cleaned things up (a bit) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bazalgette Perhaps you should also research where most of the fish went yes, down south on overnight trains to feed the southern hunger for fish and chips. perhaps you should research the lives of these people who "stunk of fish to feed the country". I had 2 school friends who lost their fathers to storms while out on trawlers. Perhaps you should research "air quality" or "air pollution" in present day London and Hull. Would you accept my view that the only thing the North and South Downs have achieved in the last hundred years are to stink of sheep and horse poo? Would you accept that the main thing people noticed about London 100 years ago was the millions of tons of horse poo on the streets? Now that has been swapped for the incessant smell of diesel fumes. "I suppose the decline of fish stocks is a government lie as well" I didn't mention decline of fish stocks, nor government lies. Where did you conjure up government lies? Mind you, I do remember a time when the East Coast ports , at certain times of the year were absolutely full of drifters during the herring season. Now you never see them. "Decline of fish stocks"??? No, due to changes in migration of the herring. "decline of fish stocks" - cod and haddock undoubtedly due to over-fishing, but I didn't say it wasn't. I didn't mention fish stocks or government. As for last comment "Still its nice to know all these recently recurring extreme weather events are not climate change. Thats a relief." I presume that you are implying that I'm alone in my belief that that is the case. Although of course, nowhere have I said that climate change does not take place. It's just that it always has and I am not convinced that MAN is responsible or that man can do anything to affect climate change. If so, that merely shows your ignorance. Try researching what the latest statements from the IPCC AR5 ( you know, that organisation that is always putting out stories about the dangers of climate change) says in its latest report. Want a few quotes/sources? Try these “confidence is LOW for global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness…” “confidence remains LOW for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone** activity …” “confidence in large scale trends in storminess or storminess proxies over the last century is LOW… “ “confidence is LOW for trends in small-scale severe weather events such as hail or thunderstorms.” (See AR5, Working Group 1, Executive Summary, Chapter 2, Observations: Atmosphere and Surface. ** Cyclones include both hurricanes and typhoons.) "Supertyphoon Haiyan, locally known as Yolanda, made landfall last Friday on Guiuan, a coastal town on the central Philippine island of Samar around 410 miles south of Manila, it was described by some as the strongest storm to make landfall in the world this year, maybe ever. So is it? Data from the national weather bureau, the Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical and Astronomical Services Administration, or PAGASA, showed that Typhoon Haiyan’s intensity – measured by the wind strength at its center and the speed of gusts at landfall – Haiyan ranks at number 7 among the strongest storms ever to have hit the Philippines." It was a category 4 hurricane/typhoon - didn't even get to Category 5 There have been about 35 Cat 5 Hurricanes in Atlantic since 1933 but none since 2007. notrickszone.com/2013/11/21/data-show-cyclone-activity-following-temperature-difference-between-tropics-and-poles-dramatic-decrease-with-warming/ notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/are-uk-winters-becoming-more-extreme/ notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/ Come on Z, instead of glib, disparaging and unsubstantiated statements about things that were never said, how about some evidence for what you say? Just a simple starter "So the best it (Hull) has managed in the last 100 years is that it stunk of fish." Go on, prove it. And, since you seems to believe that recently recurring extreme weather events ARE due to climate change how about a few bits of evidence for that? After all, you seem to be at odds with the IPCC. Tell you what, here's another starter or two. 1. a. "Global temperatures have increased by 0.8 degrees from an average of 14 degrees since 1880 mainly due to man's influence." Please explain how the base figure of 14 degrees in 1880 was arrived at and how you distinguish man's influence from the causes of similar rises in temp in the past eg Roman Times and the Medieval Warm Period. b. What caused "The Little Ice Age"? 2. Please provide some evidence for any increase for number of typhoons/hurricanes/cyclones in recent times. You don't even have to attribute any increase to "Climate Change". 3. Please name major N Atlantic Hurricanes since Katrina in 2005 to make landfall. (blimey, is it that long since a big Hurricane there?) 4. Why is it that NONE of the doom laden predictions of the last 20 years caused by climate change have materialised? egs 1. Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000. 2. "[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990. 3. "Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972. 4. "Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." Associated Press, May 15, 1989. 5. "By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." Life magazine, January 1970. 6. "If present trends continue, the world will be ... eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Kenneth E.F. Watt, in "Earth Day," 1970. 7. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971. 8. "In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970. Was he talking about Hull?? 9. Oxford-based scientist Prof Norman Myers published papers in 1995 and another in 2005. claiming that 50 million people would become climate refugees by 2010, was shown in 2011 to have been wrong - leading the UN Environment Programme to drop a map illustrating the idea from its website. Enough. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 22:05   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> Well, perhaps you should research what London stank of before Mr Bazalgette came along and >> cleaned things up (a bit) Being a Londoner, I know all about JB. Believe me he worked his magic a long time before Hull stopped stinking of fish. Need to get your time line in order a bit there my old son. >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bazalgette >> Perhaps you should also research where most of the fish went yes, down south on >> overnight trains to feed the southern hunger for fish and chips. perhaps you should research >> the lives of these people who "stunk of fish to feed the country". I had >> 2 school friends who lost their fathers to storms while out on trawlers. Oh god he were go. Personal tragedy rubbish - your favourite card. Perhaps you would like to know that driving those trains killed my father? Do I make a song and dance about it, do I try and make some weak link about it? No. Spare me the bleeding heart crap, pathos and drama is not your strong suite. >> Perhaps you should research "air quality" or "air pollution" in present day London and Hull. >> Would you accept my view that the only thing the North and South Downs have >> achieved in the last hundred years are to stink of sheep and horse poo? No - because its plainly not true. >> Would >> you accept that the main thing people noticed about London 100 years ago was the >> millions of tons of horse poo on the streets? Now that has been swapped for >> the incessant smell of diesel fumes. That was a hundred years ago. Hull stank of fish a mere 30 years ago. Again very poor grasp of timeline. History not your strong point I guess. >> "I suppose the decline of fish stocks is a government lie as well" >> I didn't mention decline of fish stocks, nor government lies. Where did you conjure up >> government lies? Added because you seem very dismissive of natural evidence,. >> As for last comment "Still its nice to know all these recently recurring extreme weather >> events are not climate change. Thats a relief." >> >> I presume that you are implying that I'm alone in my belief that that is >> the case. Although of course, nowhere have I said that climate change does not take >> place. It's just that it always has and I am not convinced that MAN is >> responsible or that man can do anything to affect climate change. >> If so, that merely shows your ignorance. You will note I never mentioned Global Warming, nor mans part in it. I mentioned quite specifically Climate Change. Somewhere in your huge (so big you never read parts it) selective one sided cut and paste fest is the fact that sea levels are rising. A point you tried to deny was putting the north sea coast at risk. Of course in your driven desire to be outraged and offended by me you missed that part. Now get off your high horse and calm down with the hysterical posts. Last edited by: Zero on Thu 21 Nov 13 at 22:09 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 23:06   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

"Personal tragedy rubbish - your favourite card" Except it's not personal and I don't remember playing "my favourite card " of "personal tragedy rubbish" before. Been remarkably lucky in that respect ...... so far, thank goodness. Oh, talking of "your favourite card" - must be this sort of condescending sarcasm " Need to get your time line in order a bit there my old son." Nowhere did I suggest that Bazalgette/stinky London and Hull stinking of fish were contemporaries. Though I'm sure there was some overlap. Probably only a few hundred years though until Baz worked his magic. "No - because its plainly not true. " Just like your "only thing Hull has achieved in 100 years" statement - and that was my point. Your Hull statement was "plainly not true" "That was a hundred years ago. Hull stank of fish a mere 30 years ago. Again very poor grasp of timeline. History not your strong point I guess. " It was you that stated "in the last 100 years" and "stunk of fish". I was merely repeating your timeline. "Added because you seem very dismissive of natural evidence" Apart from the bit about herring migration and evidence of over-fishing you mean? "Somewhere in your huge (so big you never read parts it(sic)) selective one sided cut and paste fest is the fact that sea levels are rising. A point you tried to deny was putting the north sea coast at risk. Of course in your driven desire to be outraged and offended by me you missed that part." Well, again, you are wrong. I have read them all. I pointed out that sea levels are rising but only at the same rate or less than the rate over the last few thousand years. My point was that Hull is at less risk than London because of isostatic re-adjustment. Go on, give the other side to convince me. "You will note I never mentioned Global Warming" Nor did I - try reading my hysterical post again "Now get off your high horse and calm down with the hysterical posts" Advice taken. Though I was trying to give a considered argument. Sorry if it came over as hysterical. Now, will you do the same? Or maybe just take the time to reply with some evidence to back up your statements? Maybe a few huge, selective, one-sided cut and paste fests - oops, bit hysterical that last bit. Just make them selective. Best wishes P Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 22 Nov 13 08:06   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> "Now get off your high horse and calm down with the hysterical posts" >> Advice taken. Though I was trying to give a considered argument. Sorry if it came >> over as hysterical. Alright I will boil this down to its basics. You denied that Hull was in danger due to rising sea levels. here is the only pertinent fact According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) the Current sea-level rise is about 3 mm/year worldwide. This rate this is a significantly larger rise than that averaged over the last several thousand years. Now you can bury your head in the sand, you can throw disparaging and unhelpful remarks around about American politicians to "prove" your case that its not happening, (if that wasn't hysterical I really don't know what is) but it is. Period. I believe them more than I believe you. UK coasts are at risk, and that includes Hull. EOS. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 18:58   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

"Alright I will boil this down to its basics. You denied that Hull was in danger due to rising sea levels. Here is the only pertinent fact. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) the Current sea-level rise is about 3 mm/year worldwide. This rate this is a significantly larger rise than that averaged over the last several thousand years." OK Z, as you say, down to the basics of this. Main point is that I did NOT deny that Hull was in danger due to rising sea levels. I denied that Hull was in danger from INCREASING sea level rates of rise. Now I realise that you criticised me for not reading all the sources I quoted before and I replied that I had read them, which I had. I congratulate you on reading them all in the half hour between my post and your reply. Now, I will give you a few more sources for figures on (increasing, or maybe decreasing?) sea level rise rates. But first, I will provide a few brief quotes in case you can't be bothered reading the full articles (as opposed to your Wikipedia quote) "For the last 40-50 years strong observational facts indicate virtually stable sea level conditions. The Earth’s rate of rotation records a mean acceleration from 1972 to 2012, contradicting all claims of a rapid global sea level rise, and instead suggests stable, to slightly falling, sea levels." "Envisat (the European satellite) showed no rise from 2003-2011 (until it was adjusted)" "Satellite altimetry is a wonderful and vital new technique that offers the reconstruction of sea level changes all over the ocean surface. But it has been hijacked and distorted by the IPCC for political ends. In 2003 the satellite altimetry record was mysteriously tilted upwards to imply a sudden sea level rise rate of 2.3mm per year. When I criticised this dishonest adjustment at a global warming conference in Moscow, a British member of the IPCC delegation admitted in public the reason for this new calibration: ‘We had to do so, otherwise there would be no trend.’" Now, if you want graphs, articles etc to back these claims then here they are:- joannenova.com.au/2012/05/man-made-sea-level-rises-are-due-to-global-adjustments/ (the papers referenced in this article are:- Gornitz V, Lebedeff S. 1987. Global sea-level changes during the past century. In Sea-level Fluctuation and Coastal Evolution, Nummedal D, Pilkey OH, Howard JD (eds). The Society for Sedimentary Geology: Tulsa, Oklahoma; 316, (SEPM Special Publication No.41).(1987) [Data] IPCC Assessment Report 4, Working Group I, Chapter 9. [pdf] ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPhilo/PastRecords.pdf Stoddart, D.R. and Reed, D.J. (1990) Sea-level rise as a global geomorphic issue, Progress in Physical Geography December 1990 14: 441-445, doi:10.1177/030913339001400401 [PDF] Morner. N.A. Estimating future sea level changes from past records, Global and Planetary Change 40 (2004) 49–54 doi:10.1016/S0921-8181(03)00097-3 [PDF] Holgate 2006 (poster version): [PDF] Holgate, S.J. 2007. On the decadal rates of sea level change during the twentieth century. Geophysical Research Letters 34: 10.1029/2006GL028492 GRL: [PDF] Morner N.A.: Memorandum by Professor Nils-Axel Mörner, Head of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden President, (1999-2003) of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, Leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldeconaf/12/12we18.htm Jevrejeva, S., Grinsted, A., Moore, J. C., and Holgate, S. (2006) Nonlinear trends and multiyear cycles in sea level records, J. Geophys. Res., 111, C09012, doi:10.1029/2005JC003229. [Source] [PDF] Church, J.A. and White, N.J. 2006. A 20th-century acceleration in global sea-level rise. Geophysical Research Letters 33: 10.1029/2005GL024826. [eea.europa.eu] Vermeer, M., and S. Rahmstorf, 2009. Global sea level linked to global temperature. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 106:6. PNAS (PDF) Steven Goddard on Envisat:[real-science.com] Watts/Goddard on Envisat: [WattsUpWithThat-April-2012] Other sources:- antigreen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/the-latest-paper-from-swedish-sea-level.html ) http:www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/09/24/alarmists-are-in-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims///www.spectator.co.uk/features/7438683/rising-credulity/ www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html www.providencejournal.com/opinion/commentary/20131008-steve-goreham-are-the-worlds-sea-levels-really-rising.ece www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/ www.americanthinker.com/2013/07/sea_level_rise_surprise.html I've read all these. They are selective. Feel free to provide your own selective resources. And finally "Now you can bury your head in the sand, you can throw disparaging and unhelpful remarks around about American politicians to "prove" your case that its not happening, (if that wasn't hysterical I really don't know what is) but it is. Period. I believe them more than I believe you. " You believe Al Gore? ("them", "American politicians" - the only "American politicians" I mentioned) Dear, dear me. The man is a complete charlatan. Google him. Z, you have insulted me many times on this board, you have disparaged many more. You always know the answer, you always know the truth. I, along with many others, have followed your advice and yet you stick up for Al Gore? I shall never, ever, believe another word you write. Apologies for long involved post to those not part of this "hysterical" post. That's EOS as far as I am concerned. Good luck to Hull Have a good weekend Z, P Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:09   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> I shall never, ever, believe another word you write. Excelent. I shall no longer have to put up with your hysterical cut and paste fests Thank god for that. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:19   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

"Excelent. I shall no longer have to put up with your hysterical cut and paste fests Thank god for that." Try reading them Z, you might learn something. What's hysterical about cut and paste; which is what your previous post contained? From Wikipedia!!! Try quotes from Daily Mail next time - it's more factually correct. ""Excelent" Love it! Can't even cut and paste "Excellent". "paste fests Thank god" Punctuation Z? Are you so hysterical you have lost control? Best wishes, P Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:38   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

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New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:44   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

Reduced to that? Text speak? Don't know what it means but I suspect something insulting. Goodbye Z. Have a good life. I'm sure you mean well. Best wishes P Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:49   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

Oops, looks like you edited your reply to just a full stop. So mine makes no sense. Never mind. Have a good life. I'm sure you mean well. Best wishes P Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:52   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> mine makes >> no sense. Really? what a surprise. Try cutting and pasting next time. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 20:04   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

Enough Z. Maybe if I had others would see your pathetic previous post. Remind me, "LOL W-A-T" wasn't it?? Bye. P Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 20:11   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> Enough Z. NP - I'll let you have the final word. Last edited by: Zero on Fri 22 Nov 13 at 20:12 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 19:45   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Armel Coussine

>> . Heh heh... Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby... Not saying which is which... Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Fri 22 Nov 13 at 19:46 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 20:13   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - R.P.

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New Fri 22 Nov 13 20:15   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - PhilW

OK RP Regards P Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 20:37   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Fullchat

Meanwhile back in 'ull. Short of local news tonight. The PCC has just got himself sheeted for 36 in a 30 zone. Speed seminar offered. Oh dear oh dear. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 20:54   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> Meanwhile back in 'ull. >> >> Short of local news tonight. The PCC has just got himself sheeted for 36 in >> a 30 zone. Speed seminar offered. >> >> Oh dear oh dear. Oh Dear, at least the DVLA don't need to reveal his driving history to the insurance company now. They heard it here first. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 09:22   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Runfer D'Hills

I remember when Glasgow was awarded City of Culture and one Edinburgh based publication famously warmly congratulated its neighbour on having been elected City of Kulture... Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 09:45   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Manatee

Your loss helicopter:) I like Hull. I worked there 2-3 days a week 1991-93 while living in Huddersfield. I haven't been for a while, it's not somewhere you pass through, but I think that has helped it to keep a distinct identity. The accent sounds comical even to other Yorkshire people. It's different to most places and that makes it interesting. And it does actually have some culture, believe it or not. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 09:48   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Haywain

"And it does actually have some culture, believe it or not." A poster on a Grimsby website claims that he's got more culture in his fridge. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 09:52   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Manatee

>> "And it does actually have some culture, believe it or not." >> >> A poster on a Grimsby website claims that he's got more culture in his fridge. A Hull person might say that tells you more about Yellerbellies. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 10:02   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - helicopter

Manatee - I believe Hull was described in Crap towns albeit some years ago as ...... the Humberside city that would be “leased out indefinitely to Satan to provide housing for the Damned”.' It is in the back of beyond, it still has massively high teen pregnancy and unemployment rates, the "second worst" education system in England and is one of Britain's obesity hot spots..... ......and is home to John Prescott ...... So now it is being called a City of Culture .....I am not convinced ....... Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Thu 21 Nov 13 17:29   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Dutchie

To alarmist and well over the top Cliff.Secondary rising from groundwater levels is a nonsense. This is making me laugh stop talking c..p.As they would say in Ull.>;) Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 10:16   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Haywain

Well, I really can't understand how Hull won it with such fellow contenders as Leicester, Swansea Bay and Dundee. Leicester (home) must have put in a very strong bid featuring in the background Englebert Humperdinck and throngs of brightly-clad Asian people banging drums. As a 'waste of time and money' issue, I put it pretty much on a par with the Olympic torch. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 11:19   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - No FM2R

Its harmless fun for some though, if it generates a bit of revenue or increased visiting, then all well and good. I rather like the Olympic torch. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Thu 21 Nov 13 11:46   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - RattleandSmoke

Never been to 'Ull. I always thought of it as a run down northern city but it is probably very unfair to say that. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 11:58   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Manatee

>> Never been to 'Ull. I always thought of it as a run down northern city >> but it is probably very unfair to say that. It has been run down, inevitably with the loss of the fishing, so not unfair. But nothing's all bad. Have a trundle down the M62. I never tired of seeing that bridge as I passed. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 12:27   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

>> Its harmless fun for some though, if it generates a bit of revenue or increased >> visiting, then all well and good. >> >> I rather like the Olympic torch. As it happens, I thought the Torch thing was a waste of time. But as it happens, Its a great way to say "the games are coming" and it really did spark and ignite the enthusiasm for the greatest show on earth. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 13:02   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - VxFan

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New Thu 21 Nov 13 13:27   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - TheManWithNoName

Perhaps Hull City Council will buy an even bigger TV screen to replace the one they have located in the faceless concreted shopping area. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 14:21   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

Hull have just had a press conference. Quote THE city of Hull last night pledged to show Britain what culture really is, especially if you are into magicians. After being named UK City of Culture 2017, Hull insisted it would put on a year of events that would be ‘very classy, even the ones with an intense focus on gratuitous nudity’. John Prescott, the city’s former MP, said: “We are going to culture the fck out of this.” A council spokesman added: “People in Hull like magicians. When Paul Daniels was here a couple of years ago he needed a police escort. It was mental. “Beyond that we’ll probably have some fancy dancing and a guy who can eat a bike.” Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 14:40   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Manatee

Could only be the Daily Mash. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 14:49   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Alanovich

Isn't there a part of Hull called "The Land of Green Ginger"? Never been to the city myself. I think Hull and Aberdeen are the only cities/towns of significance I haven't visited in this country. Must be averse to the East coast. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 15:29   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Runfer D'Hills

I tried to go to Aberdeen in a Renault once. It didn't do too badly by it's standards. Got as far as Dundee before it broke down. At midnight. In January. In sleet. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 15:36   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Manatee

>> I tried to go to Aberdeen in a Renault once. It didn't do too badly >> by its standards. Where did you start from, Broughty Ferry? Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 16:26   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - RattleandSmoke

Never been to the east coast in general. Used to have a lot of family in North Lincs but most of either moved or died now. Went to Scarborough, Robin Hood Bay and Whitby this year which was nice. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 16:30   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Alanovich

Thinking about it, I used to do day trips to Skeggy in my FIAT Regata when at Nottingham University. Also had summer holidays on the Northumbrian coast due to having relatives in the mining towns/villages there. Fondly remember finsh'n'chips in Whitley Bay, and dodging the washed up jellyfish in Newbiggin-by-the-Sea. Blyth Spartans famous FA Cup run too. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 16:53   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Roger.

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New Thu 21 Nov 13 17:41   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Runfer D'Hills

>>Where did you start from, Broughty Ferry? Heh heh ! No, in fairness, it had made it all the way from Cheshire by then so too bad. My dad had a house in Broughty Ferry a very long time ago. Before I was born, long before in fact, pre-WW2. Appropos of nothing really. Certainly nothing to do with Hull. It was Aberdeen which threw me. Not my fault... Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 21 Nov 13 23:32   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - rtj70

I've driven through Hull to the ferries at least 6 times. Of the little I've seen it does not appeal to me to be honest. Granted I'll have not seen some of the better bits - no doubt there's better bits. But it looks like somewhere I'd not want to visit. So as a place to visit for overseas visitors.... probably all going to head from the ferry to somewhere else. But then if I travelled to somewhere in Europe (by boat or plane) I'd have somewhere in mind to get to. So if I flew to say Malaga you can be sure I'd want to visit Granada. I haven't been to Hull since 2007 though... so long overdue a trip to Brugge. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 21:39   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Dutchie

I believe there are some deals to stay in Hull and see the Deep a aquarium for the same price.I agree most continental visitors carry on to York. Have a walk through the town centre,Oueens gardens and the museums.There is one museum about Hulls fishing and docks past. I have used the ferries from Hull lots of times.You arrive in Europoort nothing much to see and make your way on the ringroad to Rotterdam.I don't know if this culture thing will make any difference to the town,if it creates more jobs for people we jhave to wait and see.Slagging any town off never helps shangrila don't excist.>:) Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 22:23   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - rtj70

When we've gone from Hull we've had coach transfers included at the other end - i.e. leave the car parked in Hull. So a coach to Brugge or once we went to the Netherlands so coach to Amsterdam. I assume coming the other way the deal is a coach to say York? I wonder how many would stay in Hull? A lot will bring cars as well. But going from UK to Belgium/Holland you're not going to stay in Zeebrugge or Rotterdam either. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 22:49   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Zero

Dover and Calais are not exactly cities of culture either. There is a trend here. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Nov 13 01:32   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - rtj70

>> Dover and Calais are not exactly cities of culture either. There is a trend here. Exactly. From what little I've seen of some of these including Hull... well Hull is the main one I can comment on. From experience I can say I am glad I don't live there. Sorry but from what I have seen etc. that is an opinion. But towns with docks and anywhere near train lines are not always great. Having said that I bumped into the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh last week at my local station. But they had to get on the Royal train somewhere. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 22 Nov 13 22:24   Kingston upon Hull City of Culture. - Roger.

We took the grand-sprogs to The Deep last year. Quite a nice day out Reply to this message | Report message