Can't disagree but if anything my problem is more with electric scooters. Riders are often young, completely unprotected, on the pavement and, reasonably frequently, two-up. Also see them a fair bit on the roads around this estate, also unprotected and often two-up, and often not really taking due care when exiting side streets or being that respectful of other road or pavement users. And this is a "quite nice" area.
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