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 Energy bills - Terry
Socialism is broadly defined as a "political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

An idealistic intent, but humans are a competitive breed energised by competition - who can run fastest, score most goals, drive quickest, jump highest, sell most jelly beans, win most quizzes, etc etc. IMHO the socialist ideal is a denial of a fundamental human behaviour.

Money is just a quantifiable measure - no one needs several lifetimes of bananas. Visible evidence of success is clearly important - houses large enough for a dozen families, cars capable of unusable performance levels, jewellery with no function bar a display of wealth.

No where, as far as I am aware, has the socialist intent thrived for an extended period (many generations). The closest may be the initial kibbutz movement in Israel where a common threat and common goals largely subordinated personal ambition.

It is the unsatisfied (and probably unsatisfiable) demand for materials and goods which will lead to the end of humanity as we know it. The alternative is a society in which many need to accept less than the best that can be achieved - this seems unlikely.

Capitalists cannot get rich without customers - maximising wealth can only come through sharing the benefits of wealth generation. This does not solve the future of humanity, but reinforces the need for some balance in wealth distribution.
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