Ukraine are seriously out-numbered, out-equipped, and (I suspect) out-trained. The outcome is inevitable.
The support the EU and US have provided is too little, too late. It may slow down the Russians, it will not stop them.
Folk seem content to condemn the Russians (justifiably), argue for greater sanctions (eg Swift system), yet are not prepared to pay the price of a few pence on a litre of fuel. Get real!!
Where all this leads I am unclear, but there are some lessons to learn:
- might is right (like it or not). We need teeth to back up our rhetoric (or meekly accept it)
- we have compromised energy independence - chasing low prices ahead of security
- the Western view of global politics and human rights - where is China, India etc
- hoping Russians will rise against Putin is almost certainly naive
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