Non-motoring > Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3 Miscellaneous
Thread Author: VxFan Replies: 71

 New inquiry - Dulwich Estate II
As it happens I have pretty good (historic) knowledge of the Building Control system in this country. Until the mid 1980s in the inner London Boroughs we had the District Surveyor set-up which was actually established in 1667 - Great Fire year +1.

Run by the LCC, later GLC it employed properly qualified surveyors and engineers who examined all aspects of building construction - structural and fire. "Means of Escape" in case of fire was also a major part of the brief. Plans were inspected and frequent unannounced site visits made during construction. One case I remember was about architects proposing, the new at the time idea, resin fixings for stone building cladding. These were rejected as the resin would soften in heat and the cladding then fall off. Stainless steel only was permitted for fixings. The number of contractors who tried to con the surveyors with mild steel was surprising. A magnet soon showed them the error of their ways.

The governent of the day "reduced red-tape", disbanded the expensive District Surveyors in London and also dumped lots of regulation throughout the country. For example, one item dumped was minimum ceiling heights in homes - they claimed builders would self regulate and not build homes with lower ceilings as nobody would buy them. Well, take a look at 1990s onwards ceiling heights compared with earlier.

Simultaneaously they allowed private building control with ill qualified so called inspectors doing it all for much less money.

Kindly take a look at new builds of today and take note of all the residents' complaints of poor finishes and so on.

The government of the day thought they could save the state money and perhaps they did - but at what cost to quality and lives. Will 'lessons be learned' ? I doubt it very much.
 Messages Author Date
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  VxFan 28 Jun 17 10:41
 New inquiry  smokie 27 Jun 17 15:40
 New inquiry  Zero 27 Jun 17 16:11
 New inquiry  smokie 27 Jun 17 16:18
 New inquiry  Bromptonaut 27 Jun 17 16:29
 New inquiry  smokie 27 Jun 17 16:33
 New inquiry  spamcan61 27 Jun 17 17:21
 New inquiry  Zero 27 Jun 17 17:33
 New inquiry  MD 28 Jun 17 19:18
 New inquiry  sooty123 27 Jun 17 17:30
 New inquiry  Dulwich Estate II 27 Jun 17 19:13
 New inquiry  Zero 27 Jun 17 19:39
 New inquiry  Dulwich Estate II 28 Jun 17 09:18
 New inquiry  Zero 5 Jul 17 12:50
 David Lammy  henry k 27 Jun 17 23:53
 David Lammy  Bromptonaut 28 Jun 17 07:49
 David Lammy  Zero 28 Jun 17 08:07
 Why does ALL Cladding fail tests?   Bromptonaut 28 Jun 17 21:48
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3 alternative c..  sherlock47 5 Jul 17 10:40
 Another Perspective  Bromptonaut 18 Jul 17 15:51
 Another Perspective  henry k 18 Jul 17 17:34
 Another Perspective  Dutchie 19 Jul 17 09:45
 Another Perspective  commerdriver 19 Jul 17 10:48
 Another Perspective  henry k 19 Jul 17 10:52
 Another Perspective  CGNorwich 19 Jul 17 11:28
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  No FM2R 28 Sep 17 13:28
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  rtj70 28 Sep 17 17:12
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  sooty123 28 Sep 17 17:21
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Dutchie 28 Sep 17 17:22
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  No FM2R 6 Jul 18 16:30
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  R.P. 17 Nov 17 00:17
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 17 Nov 17 07:47
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Ted 17 Nov 17 15:56
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  VxFan 6 Nov 18 02:14
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  rtj70 6 Nov 18 02:49
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Lygonos 6 Nov 18 07:23
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  CGNorwich 6 Nov 18 08:21
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Duncan 6 Nov 18 08:24
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 08:31
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  bathtub tom 6 Nov 18 08:34
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  sooty123 6 Nov 18 08:46
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Roger. 6 Nov 18 13:08
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 13:34
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  No FM2R 6 Nov 18 13:37
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  R.P. 6 Nov 18 15:21
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 15:27
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Bromptonaut 6 Nov 18 15:28
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  R.P. 6 Nov 18 15:30
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Pat 6 Nov 18 16:05
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 16:28
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Pat 6 Nov 18 16:53
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 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Pat 6 Nov 18 17:04
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 18:39
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  VxFan 7 Nov 18 02:22
  
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 17:02
  
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Pat 6 Nov 18 17:07
  
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  No FM2R 7 Nov 18 02:48
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Pat 7 Nov 18 03:16
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  smokie 6 Nov 18 15:12
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 15:21
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  zippy 6 Nov 18 19:04
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Haywain 6 Nov 18 22:12
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 6 Nov 18 22:17
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Roger. 7 Nov 18 13:08
  
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 7 Nov 18 16:53
  
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Lygonos 17 Nov 20 01:05
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  zippy 17 Nov 20 03:06
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 17 Nov 20 07:33
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Duncan 17 Nov 20 07:52
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Bromptonaut 17 Nov 20 08:00
 Grenfell Tower fire - Vol 3  Zero 17 Nov 20 08:03
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