>> Why are the leavers so keen to shut down discussion?
I can only think that it is because it inevitably descends back into insults, with leave voters characterised as ignorant, racist, stupid, bigoted et al. That's not susceptible to any form of useful discussion by the insultees, and to reply in kind to those who voted remain just perpetuates a playground argument.
IMO a similar proportion of sheep voted remain as voted leave. The votes for remain are not individually worth any more than the votes for leave.
So - to those remain voters who are still preening themselves for being so much cleverer than those who think, for a variety of reasons, that the EU has become a fatally flawed project on which our eventual losses will probably be cut by leaving - just pause and think a bit more.
Real wages, following the previous probably 30 years of fairly steady growth, are still c. 10% lower than before the 2008 crisis, 10 years ago. That is pretty much the same at every percentile up to the 90th, but it's clearly a much more serious problem for the lowest paid.
Perhaps many of those people, rather than just being thick, prejudiced and ignorant, have reasoned that a very large supply of labour that would be more than happy with a fraction of our minimum wage and with uncontrolled access to the UK, has something to do with their shrinking purchasing power and the low unemployment figure. Would that make them stupid?
It shames the remain lobby to credit the result to xenophobia/racism/bigotry or whatever. As far as I can be objective, I would say the UK is among least racist of the European countries I know.
Having got that off my chest, I think there is in fact a lot ahead to discuss. The referendum was a bad idea, but it is over.
The result does not offer any sort of solution (nor would it have done either way) but poses a lot of questions, under the catch-all "What should/will our relationship with Europe and the EU be like?
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