Non-motoring > I hate trains Tax / Insurance / Warranties
Thread Author: Fursty Ferret Replies: 47

 I hate trains - Manatee
>> But airline is not same as train.
>>
>> Many cases people are forced to use trains e.g. commuting to London. Here people have
>> no choice. All such commuting routes are monopoly by train operating companies.

About half of rail fares are directly regulated, including all season tickets, for precisely that reason.

You can't run competing trains on the same track very easily or efficiently.

Many markets will deliver better results for users over time if they are regulated to a degree anyway. Bus deregulation has been tried with disastrous (but hilarious) results. There was a time when you could hardly move for buses in Sheffield, racing each other to the next stop sometimes, and many spewing out thick smoke because the operators in cut-throat competition couldn't afford decent ones.

Standard fares have risen ahead of inflation, by design, for most of the last 15 years or so. The government engineered fares to rise ahead of RPI to bear down on the costs paid by the taxpayer. At the same time, customers (passengers) have got better at shopping around and many off-peak and especially advance booking fares have actually fallen, even as revenues and passengers numbers have increased (I think).

The train companies can't teach the airlines much about revenue maximisation. Both are essentially fixed cost businesses, trains more so because fuel costs are lower, so it is about collecting the maximum amount of income for the services operated. If that means apparently irrational fare comparisons, then that's what they will do, as FF will know very well.

The extra £30 must end up with the TOCs, who knows how they share it out.
 Messages Author Date
 I hate trains  Fursty Ferret 9 Dec 15 10:18
 I hate trains  Mapmaker 9 Dec 15 10:30
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 10:42
 I hate trains  Manatee 9 Dec 15 11:26
 I hate trains  Fursty Ferret 9 Dec 15 11:28
 I hate trains  movilogo 9 Dec 15 12:15
 I hate trains  Mapmaker 9 Dec 15 12:26
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 12:38
 I hate trains  movilogo 9 Dec 15 12:42
 I hate trains  Mapmaker 9 Dec 15 12:52
 I hate trains  movilogo 9 Dec 15 12:57
 I hate trains  Mapmaker 9 Dec 15 14:09
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 13:15
 I hate trains  WillDeBeest 9 Dec 15 14:27
 I hate trains  Armel Coussine 9 Dec 15 15:16
 I hate trains  Bromptonaut 9 Dec 15 15:56
 I hate trains  Fursty Ferret 9 Dec 15 16:57
 I hate trains  commerdriver 9 Dec 15 17:06
 I hate trains  movilogo 9 Dec 15 17:13
 I hate trains  Manatee 9 Dec 15 17:40
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 17:57
 I hate trains  Bromptonaut 10 Dec 15 07:55
 I hate trains  Zero 10 Dec 15 08:06
 I hate trains  Bromptonaut 10 Dec 15 09:21
 I hate trains  smokie 9 Dec 15 17:15
 I hate trains  R.P. 9 Dec 15 17:17
 I hate trains  smokie 9 Dec 15 17:19
 I hate trains  henry k 9 Dec 15 17:22
 I hate trains  Mapmaker 9 Dec 15 17:32
 I hate trains  R.P. 9 Dec 15 17:20
 I hate trains  henry k 9 Dec 15 17:19
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 17:23
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 17:47
 I hate trains  RattleandSmoke 9 Dec 15 18:28
 I hate trains  The Melting Snowman 9 Dec 15 19:02
 I hate trains  Dog 9 Dec 15 19:39
 I hate trains  Bromptonaut 9 Dec 15 19:50
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 19:52
 I hate trains  Bromptonaut 9 Dec 15 21:08
 I hate trains  Zero 9 Dec 15 21:54
 I hate trains  No FM2R 11 Dec 15 11:24
 I hate trains  Bromptonaut 11 Dec 15 14:28
 I hate trains  Zero 11 Dec 15 16:22
 I hate trains  PhilW 9 Dec 15 21:36
 I hate trains  Focusless 10 Dec 15 07:39
 I hate trains  R.P. 11 Dec 15 11:18
 I hate trains  Runfer D'Hills 11 Dec 15 12:31
 I hate trains  Zero 11 Dec 15 12:46
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