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Thread Author: movilogo Replies: 39

 Swiss HSBC - Manatee
>>No. Fabulous contructs avoid tax. Some of them don't work, in which case the tax is due.
>>Tax evasion is the result of dishonesty


I think the principle that Gordon Brown was seeking to establish was that if tax planning included fabulous constructs or obvious artifices, then the tax so avoided should be payable. The distinction between that and evasion is that you can get sent to jail for evasion, whereas if your fabulous construct doesn't work then the worst that should happen is that you have to pay the tax.

For obvious reasons, this is hard to enforce; HMRC might not even know about the fabulous construct. When they do spot it, inevitably you will have HMRC taking a position that more tax should be paid, and a taxpayer with counsel's opinion that it is legal avoidance. Commonly there is a test case and a judgement resolves it.

It has also resulted in a fair number of "deals"; taxpayer says no tax due, HMRC says £n due. HMRC offers to accept <£n, with the proviso that the taxpayer will desist from future "fabulous constructs" or wheezes as they have become known.

These deals themselves create scope for cronyism and corruption, in my opinion.

A large part of the problem is the sheer volume and complexity of tax legislation. It would have been surprising if an industry had not grown up based on finding loopholes.
 Messages Author Date
 Swiss HSBC  movilogo 11 Feb 15 17:07
 Swiss HSBC  Roger. 11 Feb 15 17:16
 Swiss HSBC  Zero 11 Feb 15 17:41
 Swiss HSBC  madf 11 Feb 15 17:50
 Swiss HSBC  NortonES2 11 Feb 15 19:15
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 11 Feb 15 19:33
 Swiss HSBC  Zero 11 Feb 15 19:38
 Swiss HSBC  Stuartli 11 Feb 15 19:34
 Swiss HSBC  Armel Coussine 11 Feb 15 19:58
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 11 Feb 15 20:08
 Swiss HSBC  NortonES2 11 Feb 15 20:52
 Swiss HSBC  Stuartli 12 Feb 15 00:35
 Swiss HSBC  Cliff Pope 12 Feb 15 11:42
 Swiss HSBC  NortonES2 12 Feb 15 11:48
 Swiss HSBC  Mapmaker 12 Feb 15 12:33
 Swiss HSBC  movilogo 12 Feb 15 12:56
  
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 12 Feb 15 13:22
 Swiss HSBC  movilogo 12 Feb 15 13:29
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 12 Feb 15 13:38
 Swiss HSBC  Slidingpillar 12 Feb 15 13:52
  
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 12 Feb 15 12:59
  
 Swiss HSBC  NortonES2 12 Feb 15 13:30
 Swiss HSBC  NortonES2 12 Feb 15 13:51
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 12 Feb 15 14:05
 Swiss HSBC  NortonES2 12 Feb 15 14:58
 Swiss HSBC  Manatee 12 Feb 15 16:56
 Swiss HSBC  Roger. 12 Feb 15 20:02
  
 Swiss HSBC  Zero 12 Feb 15 13:06
 Swiss HSBC  Cliff Pope 12 Feb 15 13:20
 Swiss HSBC  smokie 12 Feb 15 13:23
  
 Swiss HSBC  No FM2R 12 Feb 15 14:41
 Swiss HSBC  Slidingpillar 12 Feb 15 15:45
 Swiss HSBC  No FM2R 12 Feb 15 16:16
 Swiss HSBC  Zero 12 Feb 15 16:23
 Swiss HSBC  Duncan 12 Feb 15 16:46
 Swiss HSBC  Bromptonaut 12 Feb 15 17:00
 Swiss HSBC  Focusless 12 Feb 15 17:09
 Swiss HSBC  Slidingpillar 12 Feb 15 20:07
 Swiss HSBC  Armel Coussine 12 Feb 15 20:10
 Swiss HSBC  Roger. 12 Feb 15 20:23
  
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