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Mon 21 Apr 25 09:15   Conclave - Zero

The pope is dead, long live the pope, watch conclave so you can see what goes on now Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 21 Apr 25 09:27   Conclave - Bromptonaut

Ha Ha, beat me to it. Should have posted first and made tea later!!! Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 21 Apr 25 09:40   Conclave - Bobby

Went to the cinema to see it. A friend who is a priest came along as well. I expected him to rubbish it all but instead he reckoned it was a pretty accurate reflection of what goes on with factions/ agendas/ personalities etc all at play. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 21 Apr 25 09:56   Conclave - Zero

>> Ha Ha, beat me to it. >> >> Should have posted first and made tea later!!! Divine intervention my son, you are absolved Reply to this message | Report message       1

Mon 21 Apr 25 10:00   Conclave - Rudedog

So he was only out and about yesterday and twelve hours later it's game over... jezz! Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 11:38   Conclave - tyrednemotional

When does our Kevin get to go back to the day job? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 12:30   Conclave - Manatee

Conclave was on at Wilstone village hall a couple of weeks ago. Didn't go because it sounded boring. Wish I'd gone now! Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 12:42   Conclave - tyrednemotional

...you could try for the live version if you're prepared to travel a little... Reply to this message | Report message       1

Tue 22 Apr 25 13:17   Conclave - Terry

Book was excellent - holiday reading last year - but have yet to see the film. Main observation is that it is not the most holy who gets elected as chief priest, but the one with political nous and sharp elbows. Like being in politics!!! Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 13:56   Conclave - Bobby

Think it’s on a streaming service, maybe Prime? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 15:47   Conclave - Bromptonaut

>> Think it’s on a streaming service, maybe Prime? Available on Prime to buy or rent. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 09:54   Conclave - Manatee

>> >> Think it’s on a streaming service, maybe Prime? >> >> Available on Prime to buy or rent. Now 'free' with Prime. Herself is out all day so I am skiving. I took the MX-5 for its MoT this morning ("like new"), just got a new book to read this afternoon and a Cornish-style pasty for lunch, and have just teed up Conclave. I think it's going to be too hot to do any of my outstanding jobs. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 10:53   Conclave - Zero

>> I think it's going to be too hot to do any of my outstanding jobs. Absolutely. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 1 May 25 18:57   Conclave - Manatee

Well, I enjoyed the fillum. I could see the election winner coming but not the twist. I'd love to hear what JD Vance thinks of it...libtard woke propaganda I imagine. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 16:59   Conclave - CGNorwich

In case you want a flutter here are the latest odds. Smart money is on Parolin according to a Catholic friend. Next Pope odds Angelo De Donatis 20/1 Angelo Scola 20/1 Fridolin Ambongo Besungu 16/1 Jose Tolentino 20/1 Luis Antonio Tagle 3/1 Matteo Zuppi 7/1 Peter Erdo 8/1 Peter Turkson 8/1 Pierbattista Pizzaballa 12/1 Pietro Parolin 6/4 Raymond Leo Burke 14/1 Robert Sarah 20/1 Wim Eijk 16/1 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 17:06   Conclave - Alanovich

I want Kevin Farrell. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly1md6r3l8o Pope Kevin I. Pope Pizzaballa has a ring to it also, but I doubt he'd use his surname as his official style. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 17:29   Conclave - CGNorwich

Best named pope St. Hilarius (461 - 468) Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 17:43   Conclave - Robin O'Reliant

Pope Donald. He'll be "The best Pope ever". Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 17:55   Conclave - tyrednemotional

...that's a load of Papal Bull.... Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 18:07   Conclave - zippy

>> Best named pope >> >> St. Hilarius (461 - 468) >> Meh! :-D Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 19:28   Conclave - Biggles

What happens if an Angelo is elected and then becomes an Angela? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 20:45   Conclave - tyrednemotional

He/she continues to use the same (male) toilets as before. (Which is just as well, as there's a death of toilets for female clerics in the Vatican). Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 22 Apr 25 21:18   Conclave - CGNorwich

There was, according to some sources, a female pope. Pope Joan becam Pope somtime in the ninth century. She disguised herself as a man and all was well until whe apparently gave birth during a procession and was later murdered. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 10:09   Conclave - neiltoo

There was a story, doubtless apochryphal, that before final confirmaton, the Pope elect is carried, commando, over a selection of cardinals, to prove he is correctly equipped. 8o) Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 10:16   Conclave - Zero

>> There was a story, doubtless apochryphal, that before final confirmaton, the Pope elect is carried, >> commando, over a selection of cardinals, to prove he is correctly equipped. I think there is a non apochryphal doctor involved. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 10:40   Conclave - Zero

The average age of the front runners to be new pope is 73, youngest 65. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 12:03   Conclave - sooty123

>> The average age of the front runners to be new pope is 73, youngest 65. >> Sounds like the US presidents but younger. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 12:50   Conclave - Zero

Well they cant vote them out, so I assume they hope they die in a timely manner. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 15:28   Conclave - Robin O'Reliant

I wonder how many of them still believe in God once they get to that age? Seemingly quite a high percentage of older catholic priests do not, around 18% I believe. The figure is probably higher in the C of E which is a lighter touch religion, tending to attract a fair proportion of people who see it as a form of social work. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 23 Apr 25 11:28   Conclave - Alanovich

>> There was, according to some sources, a female pope. Pope Joan becam Pope somtime in >> the ninth century. She disguised herself as a man and all was well until whe >> apparently gave birth during a procession and was later murdered. >> Please don't give Barbra Streisand any more ideas for musical films. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Apr 25 08:28   Conclave - CGNorwich

It is interesting to read of the various factions within the Catholic Church who are strongly opposed to one another. The recent film seems to be very accurate in this respect and there are actually a lot of new Cardinals , appointed by Francis around the globe who could well be vital in how the voting goes. Didn’t realise until recently that the word Conclave - Con Clave in Italian means “with key” The Cardinals are locked in until they make a decision. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Apr 25 08:47   Conclave - Zero

I am in the process of developing a new vegetable based dish, containing different scoville rated chiles. going to call it Chilli Conclave. Last edited by: Zero on Thu 24 Apr 25 at 08:49 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 24 Apr 25 08:49   Conclave - Fursty Ferret

>> apparently gave birth during a procession Something that's happened to all of us at one point or another. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 26 Apr 25 11:12   Conclave - BiggerBadderDave

I just took the bins out and I immediately noticed something rather odd about my street. Nobody out cleaning their cars. Nobody out in their gardens. No kids riding their bikes, no laughing and giggling. Nobody driving off to the supermarket. Not even the noise of a score of lawnmowers. How odd on a scorching Saturday morning. I can only imagine they're all watching something gripping on the telly. I won't bother switching it on, I'm going to sit in the garden with a book and top up the tan. Let me know if I've missed anything interesting. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 26 Apr 25 12:57   Conclave - Robin O'Reliant

>> >> >> I can only imagine they're all watching something gripping on the telly. >> >> I won't bother switching it on, I'm going to sit in the garden with a >> book and top up the tan. >> >> Let me know if I've missed anything interesting. >> It's the World Snooker Championships, Dave. They'll all be glued to that. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 27 Apr 25 07:56   Conclave - sherlock47

Why did BBC2 (on Friday) take the snooker off live terrestrial coverage for coverage of the death of a cult figure, when they have a a dedicated news channel available for news? signed Heretic from Herfordshire. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 27 Apr 25 10:38   Conclave - Manatee

Good question. They could easily have informed the snooker audience via a news flash that the pontiff had been potted and directed them to another channel for coverage. They'll probably have some guff ready about the snooker audience being relatively small. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 27 Apr 25 11:29   Conclave - Robin O'Reliant

Same when HM died, pure overkill. In the case of the pope I doubt if there was as much interest in his death as there is in the snooker. Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Sun 27 Apr 25 at 11:29 Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 27 Apr 25 16:08   Conclave - Terry

Media coverage has been completely excessive wall to wall pope for much of the last week. I started to wonder why when only about 9% (3.8m) of the population identify as catholic, of which it is estimated ~0.5m regularly attend mass. No wish to offend those of the faith, but interest in the UK in the passing of an aged, largely out of touch religious leader (zealot??) seems unbalanced. Perhaps it's down to money - rather than send reporters at great expense and risk to far flung parts of the world to report on conflicts, famine etc, they get to spend a spring week in a sun bathed Italian city on an expenses paid jolly. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 27 Apr 25 17:16   Conclave - Manatee

I wonder how many go to Anglican communion? No more than that, I imagine. But the Pope will always be news and many non-Catholics see him as an important figure. I'm a hardened atheist but I'll be following the enpoplement with interest. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Apr 25 16:44   Conclave - Zero

>> I'm a hardened atheist but I'll be following the enpoplement with interest. I am in a difficult postion. hard Atheist, but huge admirer of the architecture and history religeon (of all colours) has created, and fascinated by the pomp and circumstance. Ie think the bible/koran is a load of old bollo, but admire the books, script and illuminations as art and history. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 11:36   Conclave - zippy

>>I think the bible/koran is.... It's a difficult one. I was brought up as a left footer, though I don't practice. I do feel a sense of calm when visiting holy places. Undoubtedly the placebo effect but it's there. And... Someone who I very much admire and a very smart person was going through a very rough time and and had a visitation. They would swear on the bible that it was real and has had a profound impact on their life for the better. Probably their psyche manifesting help when it was needed - but who knows for sure? Last edited by: zippy on Thu 1 May 25 at 11:38 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 16:52   Conclave - bathtub tom

I'm firmly in the atheist corner (until the second coming, when I'll be agnostic). I've the greatest respect for all religions, except for those that think a few Hail Marys can wipe out anything you nick's acceptable and I'm a bacon eater, so I'll never marry a nine-year-old. I believe religion gave a set of rules to those too thick to understand right and wrong in the past and set a standard to which we should all be grateful. I cannot forgive those religions that believe in reincarnation and drive as if they believe they'll come back in some form, perhaps they don't consider returning as a lower life form? Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 18:07   Conclave - CGNorwich

“believe religion gave a set of rules to those too thick to understand right and wrong” That rather presupposes that there is such an absolute thing as “right and wrong”. A study of history will soon reveal that this is not the case. The Romans for example did not consider it wrong to enslave conquered peoples and killing a slave was perfectly acceptable. Both these things would now be considered wrong. The fact is that our modern Western belief system is fundamentally a Christian one even though the number of practising Christians is small. It is perfectly possible to imagine a different society where “right and wrong” are defined in a different manner Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 19:08   Conclave - Manatee

>>The fact is that our modern Western belief system is fundamentally a Christian one Except that Christians in general are ultra-hypocrites when it comes to wars. My view on this probably reflects my growing up with Quakerism, about the only religion I have respect for now. I think the teaching point stands regardless. The churches' definitions of right and wrong were not constants. They made it up as they went along, and still do. I think Western Catholicism has probably changed a lot in my adult life - the Catholic student friend I had 50+ years ago was filled with angst about his understanding of some of the things the church said were right or wrong. Not just the Pope either. He was literally fearful of the village priest. I can't imagine many people being like that now. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 19:22   Conclave - CGNorwich

I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying year Christianity is necessarily to be admired or that Christian belief is not free of hypocrisy, inconsistency and cruelty. All I am saying is whether we like it or not the belief system that governs the way we think is fundamentally one modelled by 2000 years of Christianity. Had it not been for the growth of Christianity we would be living in a very different world and our beliefs as to right and wrong would probably be fundamentally different. I recommend Tom Holland’s book “Dominion” on the subject. Well worth a read. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 19:36   Conclave - Manatee

>>I think you misunderstand me That is entirely possible:) Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 1 May 25 19:37   Conclave - Zero

At the end of the day Religeon was invented to control the populous. And clever at it too. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 1 May 25 20:20   Conclave - CGNorwich

Was religion invented? Who and when was invented it? Isn’t it more likely that religions evolved as an attempt to understand a seemingly random and incomprehensible world. To apply order and meaning. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 08:43   Conclave - Manatee

>> Was religion invented? Who and when was invented it? >> Isn’t it more likely that religions evolved as an attempt to understand a seemingly random >> and incomprehensible world. To apply order and meaning. It's a manifestation of an evolved desire to conform, be one of the gang, a kind of tribalism. Malign nationalism is an extension of it. The exploitation of religion for power and control is secondary, not the reason for its 'invention'. Is my theory. No doubt anthropology has some applicable model for it. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 08:45   Conclave - Zero

>> Was religion invented? Who and when was invented it? >> Isn’t it more likely that religions evolved as an attempt to understand a seemingly random >> and incomprehensible world. To apply order and meaning. Possibly, that i think is beliefs, not religeon which quickly subverted beliefs to control others, as soon as clergy and rules appeared. Last edited by: Zero on Fri 2 May 25 at 08:48 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 09:16   Conclave - CGNorwich

You are coming up against the philosophical problem of defining religion. If you are saying religions have a priesthood then you are saying,for example, that Quakerism is not a religion. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 09:27   Conclave - Zero

>> You are coming up against the philosophical problem of defining religion. If you are saying >> religions have a priesthood then you are saying,for example, that Quakerism is not a religion. They have elders, rules, and it is an offshoot of christianity. And as soon as you get to the founder of the movement, George Fox, who told a judge to "quake before the authority of God". That is supreme controlling authority territory Last edited by: Zero on Fri 2 May 25 at 09:31 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 09:41   Conclave - CGNorwich

So what is your definition of a religion then? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 09:44   Conclave - Zero

A controlling authority and a structure with rules (even if framed as "guidance") around it. Beliefs dont need them.. Last edited by: Zero on Fri 2 May 25 at 09:46 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 09:52   Conclave - CGNorwich

No belief in a god or gods necessary then. So not Buddhism by your definition but communism would be? How about Atheism? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 11:12   Conclave - Kevin

Religion does not require literal belief in order to provide spiritual enlightenment. Much of the transcendent experience of religion can be attributed to the community. And while some members of religion are indoctrinated True Believers, many are not. There are many levels of Belief and each is no more or less legitimate than the other. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 13:22   Conclave - Manatee

>>Religion does not require literal belief Technically it's arguable I would think. But I'm pretty sure that plenty of deeply religious people don't have a literal belief in a superior being, including many Quakers. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 12:44   Conclave - Zero

>> No belief in a god or gods necessary then. So not Buddhism by your definition >> but communism would be? How about Atheism? Bhuddism has deities and divine beings who issue guidance, so religeon, communism? in some instances yes in a way it has borrowed many of the priciples. Aethism? clearly a belief with none of the aspects of religeon. I am perfectly happy with my own definition of Religeon, it fits my beliefs. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 12:59   Conclave - Manatee

>> You are coming up against the philosophical problem of defining religion. If you are saying >> religions have a priesthood then you are saying,for example, that Quakerism is not a religion. It would be odd to argue that Quakerism isn't a religion but I don't mind whether it is or not. Beliefs are essentially Christian and the difference is in the absence of ritual and vicars. SO, Quakerism is a branch of Christianity. Religion is usually described as belief in a higher power or powers, and worship thereof. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 19:24   Conclave - CGNorwich

Religion is usually described as belief in a higher power or powers, and worship thereof. By some but not all. Zero’s definition has no reference to a god. Is Buddhism a religion? Most would say,it is but you don’t need a god to subscribe to Buddhism. If I personally believe in a god or gods but don’t worship them and don’t share my belief with others is that a religion? It’s North Korean Communism a religion.? It seems to have a supreme being. Defining what we mean by religion is almost impossible. Everyone has different views. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 19:43   Conclave - Terry

Google delivers what seems like a decent enough definition: "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs". Seems to work for Buddhists, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, sun worshippers etc etc. Is North Korean Communism a religion - Kim Jong Un (and Donald Trump??) may consider themselves godlike, but fail when it comes to the cause, nature and purpose of the universe - MAGA is a bit limited!! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 19:52   Conclave - CGNorwich

It’s a definition certainly but so broad as to be virtually meaningless. The word “especially, “usually” and “often” are not limitations and thus the definition covers virtually any set of beliefs you could think of. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 20:14   Conclave - Robin O'Reliant

Religion - A demonstration of the cleverness of the few and the gullibility of the many. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 2 May 25 20:33   Conclave - CGNorwich

or A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable. Ambrose Bierce The Devil's dictionary Reply to this message | Report message