Having just read Westpig's excellent piece on chasing robbers - seems that the Met is now more interested in chasing bards......when did this become a Policing objective ?
"Get Creative for International Women’s Day 15.02.12
Denise Milani, Director, Diversity and Citizen Focus Directorate (DCFD), is keen to learn staff views on the progress the MPS has made around gender equality.
With this in mind, and to coincide with International Women’s Day 2012, DCFD is inviting officers and staff to get creative and put their observations and comments into verse. The authors of the winning poems will win the opportunity to discuss the ‘Gender Agenda’ over ‘elevenses’ with the Denise Milani in her office at New Scotland Yard on 8th March 2012. A feature on the poetry competition in a forthcoming issue of the Job is also planned.
The competition is open to all officers and staff.
Poems must fit onto one side of A4, must be no more than 30 lines in length and must:
1. Focus on one of the following themes:
· Recruitment, retention or progression in the MPS
· Creating a gender sensitive working environment
· Successfully managing gender diverse teams.
2. Provide Denise Milani with insight on the progress made with the ‘Gender Agenda’ from either a male or female perspective.
3. Provide a positive future vision for the MPS.
Only one entry per person may be submitted. By submitting an entry, permission is given to the MPS to publish the author’s poem"
This crass stupidity and nonsense was written by an 80k a year "diversity" penpusher in for the Met.....I want my money back.
Last edited by: R.P. on Sat 18 Feb 12 at 10:06
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Apparently the prize is to have "elevenses" with the great overblown puffball Denise Milani. Please someone tell me that this is a hoax.......what a complete waste of time and money, wonder if Officers are allowed work time to pen their winning lines. There was a link on here to a recent article in the often derided Mail....the bit that stuck in my mind was a sentence from the article....
"It is no exaggeration to say that the Met frontline are lions led by vacillating donkeys" We've well an truly lost it.
Last edited by: R.P. on Sat 18 Feb 12 at 10:11
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Slight drift alert but what do you expect from the likes of me by now anyway?
:-)
I was listening to the Chris Evans show in the car yesterday and he made a random comment in the midst of it when he mentioned that in the course of a conversation with five friends the previous evening it transpired that 5 out of the 6 present had at one time or another been arrested. Evans' take on it was one of mild astonishment that he was the only one not to have been.
For the record, I was once detained by the police in fairly unpleasant circumstances but later released when they realised they had been beating the crap out of the wrong guy. ( well it was the seventies and I suppose it was normal then )
Anyone up for a straw poll here of who has ever had their collar felt?
:-)
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Did they write a poem about the incident Humph ?
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I don't think those particular individuals could have written much at all.
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>>Anyone up for a straw poll here of who has ever had their collar felt?
Thankfully, not me.
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I was arrested for drink driving after supposedly failing a roadside breath test, then de-arrested after passing the CAMIC machine at the station.
So I had a ride in the back of a police van from my car to the station, and a ride in the front seat of the same van from the station back to my car.
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>> So I had a ride in the back of a police van from my car
>> to the station, and a ride in the front seat of the same van from
>> the station back to my car.
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That's a lovely little vignette capturing all the delicate social niceties of what one imagines these scenes to be like.
I imagine too the way they would have slammed the back door after having escorted you into the back of the van, but graciously allowed you to shut your own door more gently when climbing into the passenger seat.
Were there grinning street urchins there to mock you on the first occasion, but stare admiringly when you made your triumphant return?
Were you brusquely asked your full name on arrest, but "So sorry, Mr Iffy" on release?
"Think nothing more of it, officer, it's a natural mistake to make"
"And a very good night to you, too, Sir"
Ealing comedy at its best. :)
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...Were you brusquely asked your full name on arrest, but "So sorry, Mr Iffy" on release?...
More or less.
It was, as you say, a British comedy of manners and status.
I went from zero, not to a hero, but certainly well into credit in the time it takes a CAMIC machine to read 15.
The copper didn't even want me to have the second go, but I insisted, fearing there might be a problem later if I didn't.
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>> The copper didn't even want me to have the second go, but I insisted, fearing
>> there might be a problem later if I didn't.
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There's no real point. The lowest reading is the one used for evidence purposes, so if you've already blown once and it's lower that would be the reading used anyway.
It could though have been a disadvantage to you, for you to blow twice. If the second reading was wildly out from the first, the machine would have been declared unreliable and a doctor called to take a blood sample. A, loads more time in custody...and B, outside chance the first (low) reading was wrong and the blood would find you out.
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...It could though have been a disadvantage to you, for you to blow twice...
I did wonder about that, but I was keen to get a printout of the low reading, and I think the copper said the machine wouldn't do that unless the process was complete.
It was a pool car, which meant I would need the company's insurance for the producer.
I wanted to tell the company I blew a low reading - here's the proof - now give me the certificate to take down to the nick.
Better to do that than tell the company porkies, because someone would have said something sooner or later.
It turned out several people saw me being arrested, not to mention several of the coppers at the nick who I vaguely knew.
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Hmm let me see, if we mean by collar felt, being dragged off to the nick, then yes - twice. Once by the genteel Surrey Constabulary, and once by the SPG out of West End central.
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I'll admit to a couple, including five hours in a cell which stunk to high heaven of wee.
Going back to the OP, I preferred the days when coppers stood six foot, didn't care whether you liked them or not and wore proper uniforms. At least everyone knew where they stood.
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>> Going back to the OP, I preferred the days when coppers stood six foot, didn't
>> care whether you liked them or not and wore proper uniforms. At least everyone knew
>> where they stood.
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Likewise. Whilst I accept the need for adequate protection, I can't help thinking that the "SWAT-team" look has gone too far. It's to the credit of the local branch of Dyfed-Powys' finest that they do patrols in the town dressed in "proper" helmets and with minimum Rambo gear, but most traffic cops I see are nowadays casual to the point of downright scruffiness.
Depsite being a beard-wearer myself I also disapprove of seeing many of the younger PC's (I hasten to add that all are male! ;-) )with five-day stubble. You either have a beard or you don't.
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I want the police to be as they were when I was young ~ a visible presence on our streets, curbing rowdy behaviour, and just being there for anyone who needs help.
tinyurl.com/72sq77f
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>> This crass stupidity and nonsense was written by an 80k a year "diversity" penpusher in for the Met.....I want my money back.
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There's a heck of a lot of that nonsense. Thankfully (in some ways) I never got senior enough to take any notice of it.
I'd point blank ignore instructions like that...they'd be deleted as fast as it took to press the button on an e-mail.
The rot set in when they started equating the civilian manager grades with the police ones...the police officers were police officers, even if temporarily employed in admin type roles...the civilian managers were/are often quick to forget why they are there and who employs them. The clue is in the title, POLICE.
My impression is it's beginning to do a full circle, Sir Paul Stephenson helped and now Bernard Hiogan-Howe is carrying on in the same fashiion, thank God.
I'll post a little yarn separately about a civilian manager had over by some of my junior coleagues, in their quest to support me. Very funny.
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''Denise Milani, Director, Diversity and Citizen Focus Directorate (DCFD),''
I posted about this on another thread - don't forget that there's not a copper that wants all this. All been foisted upon us by successive governments. Political correctness is backed up by a raft of legislation to beat the public sector with. I've got senior friends in the private sector and they simply wouldn't tolerate half that I have to. In the final analysis, it's just a job. It's the public (and I include myself) that loses, with vast amounts of money being spent on crap and employees pursuing crap, that could usefuly be spent doing something that the public actually want. Honestly, I ask you, is she really on £80k? The dangers in that office..... and what pfd qualifications do you need?. Spare me. I'm pouring a glass and switching off!!
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>Denise Milani, Director, Diversity and Citizen Focus Directorate (DCFD),
Had to Google. I take it that it's not this Denise Melani?
themancavedaily.com/denise-milani-on-the-rocks-2012/
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Q. What do the public want from the Police?
A. Villains nicked.
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Some say we get the police we deserve.
I want a police force:
that I can trust.
One that won't nick you on trumped up charges,
create false evidence,
won't trump up charges
wont destroy evidence
Shoot dead naked unarmed people,
steal high performance cars from their own car park
sleep with people from groups they are supposed to be infiltrating,
assault and arrest people for just filming them
assault and arrest people for just asking questions.
that are honest
that are fair
that you can walk up to and ask questions of without being intimidated by their overuse of body armor and flack jackets which make them look like a paramilitary organisation.
wont plant false DNA on suspects
(All of the above are from published reports)
To be honest, 99.9% of the police are brilliant! Just there are some so and sos which you get in all walks of life, but give a so and so a uniform and it makes them much worse.
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No one worth their salt hasn't had their collar palpated by the grubby fingers of the old bill, early in life in most cases and without serious after-effects. If you want to find a huge organization consisting entirely of cheeky jumped-up authoritarian 'conservative' sods willing to lay hands on anyone however innocent, the old bill is that organization.
God bless 'em, say I. We need the carphounds to deal with the other toerags, however annoying they may have been once or twice in the distant past.
How anyone who's never had any sort of run-in with the authorities has the chutzpah to post here is beyond me. These people know nothing. Nothing.
Of course they may be prosperous, well-organized, all that. But so what? where's the sodding virtue in it?
Tchah!
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You make I larf Sire!
:o)
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I have had my run ins with the police.
None of it stuck (well once when I was in junior school and called a policeman "copper" and got the cane :-) ).
In every single instance that I can recall the police have been exemplary, even when stopped for the eight time in as many days for doing no more than driving home early in the morning.
There is enough evidence out there to suggest that some are not and the good ones need to get rid of the bad ones.
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I've been working and too busy to catch up here for the last few days but have finally caught up this morning with Westpigs excellent posts and the anecdotes from Woodster and Fullchat.
Great early morning reading and it was with those in mind I got round to reading this one.
My run were wre always over motorbikes in a small upmarket town called Oakham.
In the late 60's and early 70's it was posh...and I was a Rebel.
There is a set of crossing gates in Oakham at one end of the town and when the gates are closed the traffic queues back through the town.
I always used to ride my Aerial Leader on the outside of the traffic and wait at the front of the queue for the gates to open. One particular balmy summers evening I did just that but there was a Copper on a motorbike waiting at the junction to the station just before the crossing.
He parked his bike, came over and made me park in the junction entrance with him and proceeded to lecture me loudly to the entertainment of all who were waiting.
He did jumping the queue aspect but his main concern was wearing suitable attire to ride a motorbike.
He explained at great length that a yellow kaftan, with appropriate bells certainly didn't qualify...I was so embarrassed:)
A couple of nights later a few of us were in the Railway Tavern, bored and broke and decided to find out just how many of us we could get on an Aerial Leader.
It's a straight bit of road, and we managed me driving, one on the tank, one on the passenger seat and one hanging off the back mudguard and wobbled our way a few hundred yards, before around the corner came the very same plod on his Noddy bike.
Another lecture but this time it was all four of us
This probably explains why I didn't really fit in living in Oakham!
To answer the OP's question, those two episodes taught us all respect for the Police, we didn't get nicked and he didn't have to work to targets but he did his job so very well.
Pat
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The Police and me go back a long way, and would fill a book (or 2) so I wont bore y'all with that, but one episode back in about 1966 has stuck in my mind - a Rozzer caught me having a Jimmy up the wall once, and he said "if you ever 'feel the need' while out and there is no WC around, ask a Rozzer to shield you with his cape",
yeah - I've never forgotten that one, and never put it to the test either :)
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>> How anyone who's never had any sort of run-in with the authorities has the chutzpah
>> to post here is beyond me. These people know nothing. Nothing.
'any sort of run-in'.
Can you elaborate, AC?
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There have been a couple of thefts from cats parked at the gym recently, and I saw a police notice in the changing rooms.
can't quite remember the wording, but effectively it said
'As a result of recent thefts we will be making regular patrols of the car park......
and if officers observe valuable items in cars, they will inform your insurance company, which may affect your premiums at renewal'
Really engages your co-operation thatr one, doesn't it ?
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>>and if officers observe valuable items in cars, they will inform your insurance company, which may affect your premiums at renewal'
One was to build up trust - Not!
Anyway, they probably would be in breach of some data protection rule somewhere.
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Cats at the gym? Don't be calling any of them a pussy !
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The oft misquoted data protection act again... but you're right, hardly the way to get people onside. Downright embarrassing actually.
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Think its an idle threat. I don't think there is a PNC reason code for 'grassing up'.
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Hamfisted PCSOing without their bosses knowledge.
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>> Hamfisted PCSOing without their bosses knowledge.
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Seen that a few times.
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>> Hamfisted PCSOing without their bosses knowledge.
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If you wanted some interesting reading...do a FOI request on your local force..and ask for the number of PCSO's disciplined versus everyone else.
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One was sacked in this area for grooming a 13 year old, mind you so was a senior CSI for trying to hump one in his BMW - funny how the local press always reports them as "cops" or somesuch...
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Hmm
The notices are new and it looked like two proper coppers leaving in a Focus Estate patrol car as I arrived
So either they put them up, or they are sending proper coppers out to check for vaulables in cars during the daytime when all the thefts so far this year have occured during the hours of darkness
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>> Think its an idle threat. I don't think there is a PNC reason code for
>> 'grassing up'.
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I agree - pretty poor PR, though
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>I saw a police notice in the changing rooms.
There was a notice in the gent's locker room at dad's golf club.
"Members are requested not to wash their balls in the sink - there is a ball brush at the 1st tee."
It was almost impossible to use though.
The damn thing was about 5 feet off the ground, you could only wash one ball at a time and the water was absolutely freezing!
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>> >I saw a police notice in the changing rooms.
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>> There was a notice in the gent's locker room at dad's golf club.
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>> "Members are requested not to wash their balls in the sink - there is a
>> ball brush at the 1st tee."
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>> It was almost impossible to use though.
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>> The damn thing was about 5 feet off the ground, you could only wash one
>> ball at a time and the water was absolutely freezing!
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For once I'm completely stuck for a reply! :-)
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If a member refused to comply he would presumably be blackballed.
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>> If a member refused to comply he would presumably be blackballed.
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I had that happen to me at school...someone threw a basket ball and got me right in the nether regions.
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What do the public want from the Police ? - R.P.