>> Anyone else find this profoundly disturbing?
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16763494
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Yes I do.
Just think what he could have done, IF he had carried out what he learnt in his research.
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>> Anyone else find this profoundly disturbing?
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16763494
I assume by your title you are querying the idea that people can be thrown in jail for looking at stuff on the web.
However when you add
Kausar posing with an AK rifle - believed to have been taken in Pakistan.
The court was also told about a letter written by Kausar in which he said: "I want to fight jihad for Allah".
The letter also asked "whether he would be able to fight and whether his martyrdom would be accepted".
I don't find it all disturbing.
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>> Anyone else find this profoundly disturbing?
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16763494
Disturbing at first.
I've probably looked up the odd stuff on the internet I'd not want those in authority (wife, bosses or state) knowing about. But OTOH I've not stored them on a USB stick or, were it possible, sought to price them up.
But OTOOH I'd not expect powers that be to treat my being burgled as an opportunity to investigate me.
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With some afterthought, actually I do find it disturbing. Clearly this is one dumb inept terrorist, probably best left in the public domain where he can be secretly monitored, not thrown in some jail to be radicalised, and maybe, who knows may have led to some better fish.
So i am disturbed better use could not be made of him.
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It's generally not enough to have a guilty mind - a criminal act must be performed before you get the clink.
Not convinced looking up terrorist/survivalist/freedom-fighter/whatever-you-want-to-call-it information is a criminal act - plenty books exist with such information.
As Z suggests - think this will increase or decrease the radicalisation of young Muslim men?
Worked well in N Ireland.
Hmmm - seeing as Sinn Fein are in govt maybe it didnt.
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>> With some afterthought, actually I do find it disturbing. Clearly this is one dumb inept terrorist
He is pretty dumb. To hand a memory stick full of that stuff to the police because it also has CCTV images of a burglary.
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>> So i am disturbed better use could not be made of him.
This one was 'home grown' but I have the same thought as above about those AQ suspects we fight to deport - even to countries like Yemen with large areas ungovernable.
Better to keep 'em here where we can watch them. Or better still charge them.
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>> But OTOOH I'd not expect powers that be to treat my being burgled as an
>> opportunity to investigate me.
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You mean, it should only be done between 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday? Investigations must be covered by Wisden, possibly?
We must make sure that the potential terrorist gets a fair crack. ;-)
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I wonder what the full picture is - there is probably more to it.
They have this problem in every episode of Spooks. Do they wait for the terrorist to blow up the economic summit/poison London's water supply, or do they neutralise him first?
Given they should do something, other than wait for him to act and nick him afterwards, my thought was the same as Zero's - why didn't the police pass the contents of the stick to MI5 and let them deal with it? They might have found out whether he was really up to anything, and who else was involved.
I hope they did that anyway, before they nicked him.
I certainly don't trust the police, or the authorities generally, to act with common sense any more. Remember the man who was fined and criminalised a while back for leaving his wheelie bin lid open four inches?
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Remember the man who was fined and criminalised a while back for leaving
>> his wheelie bin lid open four inches?
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er, no?
Could you remind me/us please?
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>> This is close
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>> tinyurl.com/7p9mfzc
Rubbish blowing out of overflowing bins makes a mess. Copeland is part of the Lake District and National Parks might be particularly sensitive to the issue.
I'd guess this guy (a) failed the attitude test and (b) made an ill advised choice to 'fight'.
I also suspect the initial fixed penalty was less than £100.
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Cash strapped Councils are using this sort of heavy-handed enforcement to raise money. The maximum penalty will be the norm. My council collect one bin a week and don't care if extra rubbish is left bagged, beside it. Common sense and providing the service we pay £120 a month for!
If the man's bin is the one shown in my link I don't see much chance of rubbish blowing of it!
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>> ............. providing the service we
>> pay £120 a month for!
Is your £120 per month solely for rubbish collection?
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No, one element of the charge, obviously!
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Whilst what you say may be true Bromp, to me it illustrates how far we have gone down the road of seeing all sorts of nonsense as somehow normal. It isn't, it's insane. I'd say you couldn't make it up, but of course Eric Arthur Blair did, and we have sleep-walked into it.
I am on the verge of a major rant. The country has gone to the dogs while we weren't looking. Despite a deficit of c 20% on the current account, the authorities seem to be able to fund an endless supply of rules, signs, road paint, and bureaucratic carp - the bin police certainly won't be a net revenue generator, they'll cost a fortune in wages, sick pay and pensions.
It sets the authorities against the population, social responsibility and behaviour declines further, more regulation and supervision results, up goes the share of GDP wasted, and downward goes the spiral.
At the same time the roads are falling apart and we are selling RAF Northolt to prop up the RAF, which any fool can see will cost more in the long run, as with all the other infrastructure privatisations.
If Salmond can get Jockland out of this, I'm moving!
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Manatee is a closet Libertarian!
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>> This is close
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>> tinyurl.com/7p9mfzc
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People know the rules. Serves him right for disobeying the rules.
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On the basis of what research is the relevance of a wheelie bin lid being open 4 inches based and how is the level of penalty arrived at?
A fairly typical Littlejohn rant here
tinyurl.com/mnubos
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>> On the basis of what research is the relevance of a wheelie bin lid being
>> open 4 inches based and how is the level of penalty arrived at?
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>> A fairly typical Littlejohn rant here
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>> tinyurl.com/mnubos
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Rochdale council must have different rules from our council. We are instructed to present our bins at the edge of our property, i.e. not on the pavement.
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I am guessing that Rochdale has a lot of terraced housing where the front edge of the house IS the pavement!
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>> Could you remind me/us please?
I've just reminded you ;-)
But here it is, anyway. It's reasonable to think that the story might be completely fabricated, until you get to the comment from the council -
"We have seen photos in this case and the bin lid was not open four inches.
It was a good six inches." That's all right then!
goo.gl/vkf1b (from the Mirror, for a change)
It's quite possible that the offender is a serious PITA, but to get him this way brings jobs-worthing into disrepute.
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>> goo.gl/vkf1b (from the Mirror, for a change)
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>> It's quite possible that the offender is a serious PITA, but to get him this
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I notice the offenders name is Corkhill.... The Corkhills in Brookside were always trouble...
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Thought Police - swiss tony
