The Peoples Socialist Republic of Scotland?
Salmond Land?
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People's International Soviet Socialist Of Island Republic..
P.I.S.S.O.I.R
Last edited by: madf on Tue 10 Jan 12 at 13:57
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How about:
SELF CONTAINED ORIGINAL TERRORTORY LEFT ABANDONED NOLONGER DEPENDENT
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Scotland for short!
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Beatifull birds Albatross massive wingspan.I used to have a little moped with a sachs engine.
The mind wonders.>;)
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Nice song Dog the Mrs Liked the singing.
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North of England Devolved State - NEDS.
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Jockland where they speak Jockinese?
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>> Albatrossachs.
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Very good!
But not round our necks for much longer.
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No wonder they dislike the rest of us. Who can blame them ?
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>> No wonder they dislike the rest of us. Who can blame them ?
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Ever been in a Scottish pub recently? The locals look at you as if your are a paedophile /axe murderer/rapist when you speak with an English accent..
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>> Ever been in a Scottish pub recently? The locals look at you as if your
>> are a paedophile/axe murderer/rapist when you speak with an English accent..
Axe murderer up there is a respectable trade, will get you a seat on the local round table / chamber of commerce / lodge.
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Reading about the way Scots react to an English voice in their midst (true or otherwise) reminds me or a similar experience I had in the 1970's in Wales, I was only a teenager or maybe 20 in my Mrk 2 Cortina but I was treated by the ignorant Welsh so badly that I swore I would never set foot in that country again, and I've kept that promise ever since, I'm sure that these days things have changed and that they welcome the English now (or our money),
but I'm in no particular hurry to find out.
Last edited by: Dog on Tue 10 Jan 12 at 20:23
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I have lived in Scotland for over 40 years, there has only been one serious attempt to wind me up or provoke me on a racial basis. It was many years ago in a remote rural pub. It made me wonder if the person concerned (who I had never met before) had ever travelled beyond his village. He stopped trying to annoy me after I told him I was Australian although he knew I was working at a nearby military related site and my Australian accent had worn off some years earlier. :-)
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I've lived in Cornwall for 15 years now and been called a foreigner, an outsider, an incomer, even an un-natural :)
But the difference is that I know it's TiC and I love the Cornish (proper) people, and their ways.
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>> I've lived in Cornwall for 15 years now and been called a foreigner, an outsider,
>> an incomer, even an un-natural :)
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>> But the difference is that I know it's TiC and I love the Cornish (proper)
>> people, and their ways.
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You Sir are naive. 'They' will never accept you as will the Devonians never accept I.
It must be pretty much the same in any rural community usually fuelled by ignorance in spades. Sad really.
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You should try living here - in fairness they all wave and make friends with the dogs !
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>> It must be pretty much the same in any rural community usually fuelled by ignorance
>> in spades. Sad really.
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Thankfully not, I've in the countryside for the past 10 years, all in Norfolk and Lincolnshire no problems, so far!
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Even I feel a bit out of place in rural Highland pubs - I'm sure some of the southern English stand out in northern pubs and may be the target of idiots, and vice versa.
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...I'm sure some of the southern English stand out in northern pubs...and vice versa...
Quite so - a pal of mine, born and bred in the North East, was in a City of London pub during a trip to see Sunderland AFC.
A local girl told him he must be either 'a squaddie or a northerner' because of his check pattern shirt.
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A bit of verbal is nothing.
Back in the seventies my cousin was working in Northern Ireland and went into a pub on the "wrong" side of town where his heavy Eire accent stood out like a sore thumb when he ordered a pint. The landlord served him a half and old him to drink it in one and walk out while he still could.
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>> Reading about the way Scots react to an English voice in their midst (true or otherwise)
>> reminds me or a similar experience I had in the 1970's in Wales
I assume this was North Wales. I've come across this even more recently in North Wales. Once when the premises was entered the locals were speaking English and quickly switched to Welsh when strangers entered. And began talking about the strangers (my brother and colleagues in this instance)... except we speak Welsh. They were surprised when he spoke Welsh to them :-)
Ignorant Gogs.
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When working and socialising with Gaelic speakers in the western isles they have always switched to English when I, or other non locals have been around.
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>> When working and socialising with Gaelic speakers in the western isles they have always switched
>> to English when I, or other non locals have been around.
They were hoping you would say "and what are you having"
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>> When working and socialising with Gaelic speakers in the western isles they have always switched
>> to English when I, or other non locals have been around.
IME that's the culture on the Hebrides. Was quite embarrased when Lewis B&B proprietor rebuked her primary age daughter for not speaking English. I understand only a few words of Gaelic but love hearing it spoken.
Quite diffrernt in Wales - I've walked into a pub in Bethesda to hear language change from English to Welsh. Not bothered but puzzled as to why; we just wanted a quite pint.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 10 Jan 12 at 23:13
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Funnily enough I was talking about a pub in Bethesda today - When the locals decked a squaddie who had walked in carrying a gun. He'd stopped to ask the way to the Army camp in Capel Curig, being security minded he took a weapon in with him. He was decked, his gun taken off him and the Police called....not a place to mess about in.
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Experienced exactly the same myself, its almost worth learning Welsh just to see the look on their faces.
I can see both sides of it, but without Tourism much of North Wales would be screwed.
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It was a loooong time ago now and I should forgive and forget TBH, the farthest North we got was Aberystwyth so it wasn't north Wales, more like the Brecon Beacons area,
We walked into a pub (more like someone's house) and they were all talking and having a laugh but when I asked for a pint, it went dead quiet :)
I tried to get b&b at many places (with vacancy signs) without any luck so we slept in the car,
I was out of order earlier when I referred to all Welsh as ignorant so I take that back and when we were in Aberystwyth it was a totally different story.
If I had to make a choice between living in Scotland or Wales, I would choose Scotland, on the strength of the Scots I've met in Tenerife, England and Cornwall.
Funny ole life though, innit.
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>> more like the Brecon Beacons area,
Didn't think it was south Wales because that is nowhere near as Welsh. I had a nice drive on 2nd Jan back from South Wales via the Brecon Beacons and back up the A470/483 etc.
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I'm going back nigh on 40 years though Rob :)
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:-) So not long after I was born then. You are older than I thought you were then.
But my comment on south Wales not being so Welsh stands.
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Before retiring I went to Llanelly for a series of meetings. Three of us travelled there and had decided to spend the night before there. A few beers were called for and we went to the local Wetherspoons (classy) - the place went quiet when we walked in, we dressed in sort of scruffy casuals and I don't think we stood out. We had a few beers there and went for a take away on the way back to the hotel - we were warned in one of the kebab shops that we were being targetted. I now know why Llanelly is known as Tinopolis nothing to do with its industrial heritage - tin being the Welsh word for backside. :-)
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>> tin being the Welsh word for backside. :-)
Is it not 'pen ôl' for backside?
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You're right I was thinking of a more slangy word -maybe a northern thing.
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A a north Wales difference makes sense. e.g. Some English to South Wales Welsh to North Wales Welsh comparisons:
milk = llaeth = llefrith
now = nawr = rwan
dirty = budr = brwnt
A lot of differences. And why is the Welsh for now the opposite way round spelling wise north and south :-)
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Tin [-au, f.]
(n.) bottom, breech; rump; tail
Llaeth is in common usage in the Vale of Clwyd and the old Kingdom of Meirionydd.
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Cornwall is more or less Anglicized now and the 'outsiders' outnumber the 'naturals',
but I still occasionally hear on the Radio Cornwall phone in "if they don't like it why don't they go back ome" :)
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Walk into some shops here and you'd think you were in the Punjab.
I love it, I'm picking up a few words meself. I was the only customer in the Post Office this morning and Ali, his wife and the counter assistant were all gabbling away.
I just said, when they'd finished..." That's easy for you to say ! " Always get a laugh. I'd rather learn Urdu than Welsh...a blimming sight more use !
Ali's only about 5'4". We were discussing this rogue planet that's going to kill us all. At one point I said I thought it was called a ' brown dwarf '
" No, that's me " he said....priceless !
Ted
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I've spent a bit of time in Scotland and I didn't have any problem at all getting on with anybody and I wasn't treated as some sort of oddity or ignored because I wasn't Scottish (mind you, I've been told I do have a slight hint of a Scottish accent - my father came from Arbroath). And when I was in the Hebrides (I stayed on North Uist for a couple of weeks) the conversations were always in English when there was a non-Gaelic speaker (i.e. me) around.
When I was in North Wales the odd thing I found was that, unless you asked someone something, nobody said anything to you, unlike Scotland where complete strangers would stop to pass the time of day with you....
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I knew several Scots at university. They all spoke with English accents, but liked to put on pretend Scottish accents when drunk.
One nearly got into a fight in an Edinburgh pub when he beat a local at arm wrestling. We made a hasty retreat.
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Each and every time I've been to North Wales, I've been with / shown around by locals (family) who are Welsh speaking and have lived there all their lives. I didn't get any bother. In fact, I was welcomed with open arms, and the hospitality was second to none. People switched from Welsh to English, or would happily translate Welsh for me. The last visit with SWMBO was incredibly memorable for all the right reasons. We had a scream.
But some of the stories my cousins tell about how English 'immigrants' are ostracised and abused to the point of being driven away are scarcely believable. Shops serve them reluctantly, pubs go silent or threatening when they enter, and even their kids get a hard time at school, and not just from the other kids.
My experiences with Scotland have all been as a pure 'outsider' and after spending time in Edinburgh, Stirling and Glasgow, have had no issues.. As with all cities, I'm sure going into the wrong part of it, or pub would be a recipe for a trip to A&E, but on the whole people are perfectly pleasant, in my experience.
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I can second that, having lived in west Wales for 26 years.
I suspect newcomers to any area, particularly rural, often make the mistake of expecting to "integrate" too soon. It takes more than one generation to become a local, and any suggestion of pushiness or wanting to join in too heartily will be resented in any area, Wales, Scotland or England.
People who encounter resentment usually say they have joined this and that, volunteered to do this, helped out at something, tried to start a playgroup, irritated people by attempting to practice the language too persistantly, etc. That is the point. The locals managed before you arrived, and will go on managing after you have left and pocketed your house price profits.
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I agree with Cliff about trying too hard.
The locals may not have degrees or highly-paid jobs, but they can spot someone who is being false as well as any of us.
Some of the villages in County Durham are very isolated.
If I go to one to bang on a few doors, there's no point in pretending I have much in common with the residents.
So I speak plainly and simply, and don't attempt to crack any jokes or make smart remarks which might be misinterpreted.
Which is much the same way I treat any new interviewee.
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New name - GOC
God's Own Country!
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>> New name - GOC
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>> God's Own Country!
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Could be worse. Scotland could be 'Gokked' (GOK, God's own Kingdom) Except it would need a king of course.
Which leads me onto what would happen if Scotland became separate - could it revive its monarchy?
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>>Which leads me onto what would happen if Scotland became separate - could it revive its monarchy?
Same monarch as England since our king became king of Scotland and England.
So the question is... could England revive its monarchy?
;-)
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>> Same monarch as England since our king became king of Scotland and England.
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>> So the question is... could England revive its monarchy?
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>> ;-)
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Dunno, just so long as Mel Gibson doesn't make a film of it!
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>> New name - GOC
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>> God's Own Country!
The Aussies say that about their place too. I always tell them that god must be a bit of a masochist then to gather all the worlds deadliest land and sea animals to live with him.
Last edited by: Zero on Wed 11 Jan 12 at 14:52
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>> I can second that, having lived in west Wales for 26 years.
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>> I suspect newcomers to any area, particularly rural, often make the mistake of expecting to "integrate" too soon.
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Except in South Pembrokeshire, (south of the Landsker line").
We lived there for 20 years before our move to Spain.
It is not called "Little England beyond Wales" for nothing!
Norman churches, Norman castles (Pembroke Castle, for instance, the birthplace of Henry Tudor), with English definitely being the first language.
Dual language road signs, if defaced at all, tend to have the Welsh part sprayed over!
The local, genuine, dialect is more nearly akin to a West Country one, a legacy of much inter-trading with Devonshire.
It is a beautiful county and had not house prices now risen beyond our reach, would have been our first choice for our re-location back to the UK.
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Scotland's new name - madf
