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Been a lot of arguments about my grandpas funeral and transport arrangements. We live in Manchester, the rest of that family live 100 miles east of us.
Here is the problem and I want to bang everybody's head together:-
Mum won't travel on motorways, she is nervous of cars due to some near misses in the Lada (a tyre blow out) and a nasty accident once in the Punto.
Sister won't travel on trains as she has a phobia of them...
My mother won't let my sister travel in the Fiesta all that way due to the rust and the generally clapped out nature of it.
If my mum goes by train, I will have to go with her (she has no confidence due to health issues).
I won't drive on motorways or anywhere further south of Wilmslow or further east than Stockport....
If my dad borrows my Panda, I would want to be in it to make sure he doesn't rag it, last time he kept putting the hand brake down without using the button.
In the end I have compromised, and said my dad can borrow the Panda to take my sister, and me and my mother will go by train.
Wouldn't life be so simple if all of this family would travel on the same mode of transport. I am not too fussed, BUT I refuse to travel by plane.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 24 Nov 11 at 00:53
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I have no idea how to resolve your situation, but at least I can see a genome string at work.
How did your family ever get 100 miles apart?
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Simple, one brother move to Manchester, the other to a small town in Lincs, not wanting to move to "Mainchesteer" they followed my fathers brother.
It is causing other problems though, when my mum was more mobile it was no problem but now she panics in busy places and basically needs dropping of to the platform and picking up at the other end. When we are dealing with one of the countries busiest stations that is not an option. Sadly no other stops either. (Actually Stockport might be an idea).
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Its a funeral. Hire a big car, like the superb or a merc, for the day, and get your dad to drive everyone in it.
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Compromise.... go by coach. Joking.
Sounds like you have a compromise but a costly one. If your mum would go in the car it would cut costs considerably.
If you can plan for extra travel time, can you not avoid motorways? Travel time will be greater. Or hire a bigger car she is happy travelling in? Maybe she's more nervous of travelling in a car your dad is driving too! But you won't drive to London.
So get her to travel 100 miles east to join that side of the family travelling and you, dad and sister go in the Panda.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 22:30
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She has difficulties with her mobility due to various health issues so it would not be fair to expect her go on her own. My dad is making her feel really bad though, and my dad probably doesn't want her there, as he likes to make out my mum is always nasty.
I think she would be happy in an S class or something like that, she seemed fine in the Skoda Suburb but that was only round Wales.
My dad did suggest going via the Snake Pass but he said that would be more horrible than the motorway.
The funeral is north lincs, so the normal way of getting there is the M62 and M180. Although that side of the family are from London, they moved up many decades ago.
No coach service to where we are going, so sadly that is just not an option. My mother interestingly doesn't mind motorways if she is on a coach, so the issue is with cars as much as anything else and maybe partly my dads driving due too many incidents. Mainly his habit of ignoring warnings like burning rubber smells and only stopping once the tyre is 500 yards behind us on the M62.
Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 22:38
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Get some valium from your GP "because you're so anxious/can't sleep/whatevah" and dope the idiots up - load them into the Panda and drive them there.
Job's a good-un.
Or.... don't take responsibility for OTHER ADULT HUMAN BEINGS and let them pull their fingers out and sort themselves out....
....or things will never change - think it's bad now?... wait til the olds really are dependent - no life for you Mr Rats - just like poor old Harold in Steptoe and Son.
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"I won't drive on motorways or anywhere further south of Wilmslow or further east than Stockport...."
Without wishing to be unkind that is a little bit pathetic.
Just do it.
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I was sort of being sarcastic out of myself :). But no way am I driving on the motorway on my grandpas funeral when I have no experience on the motorway at all....
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But you should have. That's the pathetic bit. Just take the car out to the nearest motorway tomorrow and drive for 50 miles. It's just a glorified dual carriageway with blue signs
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>> I was sort of being sarcastic out of myself :). But no way am I
>> driving on the motorway on my grandpas funeral when I have no experience on the
>> motorway at all....
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Catch 22 then. Seriously, get some professional tuition or something, or you'll go through this charade every time an emergency crops up, which is obviously the last situation where you want it to. Funeral director friend of mine reckons close on a third of funerals end in actual or close to physical punch ups, grief does strange things to people.
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>> want it to. Funeral director friend of mine reckons close on a third of funerals
>> end in actual or close to physical punch ups,
Its an expected and essential part of an East End funeral.
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...Its an expected and essential part of an East End funeral...
Same with weddings and christenings in some parts of the North East.
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My first thought was gene therapy, but as usual the Z beat me to the draw.
I surmise that you need to travel to Hull, which is a shame as there is a motorway almost door to door. East of Leeds the Panda could stretch its legs a bit. I used to do it in an hour from Junction 23 a couple of days a week. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, given your concerns about your Dad's driving technique.
Good luck whatever you decide.
EDIT - I see it's the south bank, but much the same applies - even quieter.
Last edited by: Manatee on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 22:45
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My dads a good driver in that sense, but he tends to ignore problems which leads to the incidents.
Not as far as Leeds but a town I cannot mention because the forum software will think I am swearing :).
About 80 miles on the A roads, 103 on the motorway.
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I had assumed this was London as you mention that is where your father's side of the family is from. I would have therefore thought Stockport to Euston would be a better station to use than Piccadilly.
If I knew I could wangle the time off and your mum would travel in a Passat I'd offer to take you all. It's not London as I had assumed after all. You don't need to mention where it is mind. And I bet I can't even say....
Scunthorpe
... without losing the post.
Edit: So you can say Scunthorpe now. I just know that's off the M180 that's all and wanted to try the swear filter.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 22:51
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That is a very kind offer, but we have two cars sat out there the entire thing is madness, and we al equally to blame. I think the best compromise is to let my dad borrow the Panda go with my mum on the train but go via Stockport. My dad can drop us in Stockport, join the M60 from there and then hit the M62.
We can then just get a taxi back from Stockport. However my mother is now nervous about getting a seat if we get on at Stockport as it will be full from the airport and Picciddily traffic. I will call into the ticket office to see if we can reserved seats.
I just think Stockport would be a better bet as the station is smaller, and we can be dropped of right outside. Picciddily can be a panic to people who are not used to it.
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Book the tickets in advance with seat reservations and collect at the station. Booking online might have a charge but so might parking near a station to buy. If you book seats (free to do) that takes away your mum's concern.
I am assuming the train is one that goes from Manchester Airport via Piccadilly via Stockport to Scunthorpe.... so from Stockport a shorter journey time. And easier to then get onto the M60 to get to the M62.
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Yeah from memory (and done that route a lot, as used to often go there with my farther in the car, he would stay a few days but I would go back same day on the train). The route is Airport to Clethorpes but it does get very busy especially between Manchester, Sheffield and Doncaster.
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Penistone
wow, another place name that works.
Last edited by: spamcan61 on Fri 18 Nov 11 at 09:55
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Thinking about this... if you used the Woodhead Pass (better than the Snake) you could avoid the M62 etc. But I think your mum needs to be in a car not driven by your dad and not a Panda. Not on a day like this anyway.
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>> Not as far as Leeds but a town I cannot mention because the forum software will think I am swearing :).
Your geography is poor. Scunthorpe is further than Leeds! Twice as far at least. Or is it not Scunthorpe?
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The Panda is very comfortable on the motorway but with two people in it. I went in my mates to Anglesey once and sat at the back, I was all too wear I was sitting inside a crumple zone, if a truck hits the back of a small car like the Panda, the rear seat passengers are dead.
In the Lada after the tyre burst we always used to take one of the passed, I think we went via Mosley (is that the woodhead?) but my farther much prefers the motorway.
And yes it is Scunthorpe well about 8 miles away, but that is the nearest major town.
Last edited by: RattleandSmoke on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 23:00
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Edit I remember my uncles funeral in the far north lakes (140 miles away) and we had to go there via the A roads in the Escort. My poor dad had to drive for 12 hours that day and although he was my mothers brother not my dads, my dad was very upset and shocked by it.
So I think my dad doesn't want a repeat of that.
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Not from around these parts, eh, boy ?
A57 then over Woodhead to Sheffield. Then Rotherham to Gainsborough and North East to Scunny.
Seemples.
Ted
Edit...Mossley takes you to Huddersfield.
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I remember we went through Sheffield, as I have vivid memories of seeing the Supertrams when they were new.
I have a feeling my mother may not end up going but I personally rather she was there but will talk to my sister about it. Don't want to force my mother into anything but if I can plan everything to the nearest detail she and make out its not a problem she will probably come.
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>> The Panda is very comfortable on the motorway but with two people in it. I
>> went in my mates to Anglesey once and sat at the back, I was all
>> too wear I was sitting inside a crumple zone, if a truck hits the back
>> of a small car like the Panda, the rear seat passengers are dead.
If a truck hits ANY car at 40mph plus, the chances are the 'crumpled zone' will exceed the designed crumple zone.
The probability of NOT getting involved in a serious accident far outweigh being involved in one.
Stop bleeding worrying and start living!
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Rattle's got a point.
I don't use motorways when driving to funerals or airports, in case I get stuck in a jam.
Weddings don't matter so much. Coming back's no problem.
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Solution is: train. Sister won't travel on them. Tough she can use the bus? It all sounds more complicated than it needs to be for such a day.
What time do you need to be there?
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With my sister then yes usually tough, but she does have a fear of trains and she had to get one today to go to a funeral of one of her friends who died aged 27. So she is in a very bad way at the moment.
I am thinking this could be quite simple, get pre booked seats on the train, let my dad borrow the Panda or they just go in the Fiesta.
My fathers not discussing and avoids the subject but he just wants to borrow my car as it is a lot more comfortable.
I suspect other family arguments might get in the way anyway and my mother won't go. Going to have words with my dad about this, as he is making my mum feel like she is being nuisance.
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>> Rattle's got a point.
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>> I don't use motorways when driving to funerals or airports, in case I get stuck
>> in a jam.
Its pretty impractical not to use a motorway these days. It would take me 4 times as long to get to Stanstead or Luton, Twice as long to Gatwick.
I never drive to Heathrow, always taxi, and it always uses the motorway.
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I should perhaps start using the bus to get to train stations if it is a vital train (e.g to London) I always get the tram, but it is a bit risky as they are more likely to fail. If a bus breaks down just jump off and get a taxi, you can't do that on a tram.
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Stay at home Rats, anything could happen, too much risk of not getting anywhere on anything.
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What time do you all need to be at the funeral? Serious question. If it's early morning the M62 might not be a good idea for your dad.
And it would make sense that you got picked up at the other end by your dad so he might want a head start so to speak.
Looking at TomTom online, Stockport to Scunthorpe is close to 2 hours. Train is just over 1.5 hours.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 23:41
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Buses are a big no no. Haven't you seen the film "Speed"?
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Rats, how long since you passed your driving test?
You really need to get out in that car of yours for a few days and stretch its legs and gain you some experience. Take a drive up to Glasgow and I will buy you a pint!
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Rats, as a backup to plan A... do you want someone to sit in with you when you drive on the motorway before Monday? I might have a couple of hours I could spare tomorrow afternoon. And go out with me driving first in my car? I really benefited from a motorway lesson. And I didn't drive again (at all) for over a year!
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 17 Nov 11 at 23:46
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who needs match.com eh???? :)
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I might have to chaperone them !
Ratto, make sure your Pa is comprehensively insured to drive the Pandora.
If he rolls it off Woodhead it might not end up looking too good.........at least you won't need to bother about the front wing !
Ted
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He is a named driver anyway, it makes my annual premium £30 cheaper :).
I assume though if he was to crash it, it would by no claims down the pan and not his?
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>> I assume though if he was to crash it, it would by no claims down the pan and not his?
Correct. So make sure if he damages anything it's the same wing! But his insurance will be affected too because he would have had a claim.
But that's not going to happen!
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>> I might have to chaperone them !
Surprised you've not offered to do the same Ted ;-) He's just not confident and won't be until he tries.
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>> who needs match.com eh???? :)
I am just fed up with Rats not driving anywhere! damn excuses. I've done maybe 1800 miles since October 7th in my new car. Of that.... most was just because I wanted to drive on various roads/routes.
If he'd done what we'd told him he'd be confident enough to drive to near Scunthorpe. And with him driving and not his dad, his mother would be happy travelling in the Panda.
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 21 Nov 11 at 19:55
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Need to be there in the afternoon :). That is a very kind of offer and something I may consider in the future if the offer is still there :) But for Monday it won't solve anything as my mother would not be happy about me driving my sister, and I would not be happy with my sister as a passenger (she is worse than Mrs Bucket).
The train is quicker but only from B to C, but the journey is A to D, as it is a good 45-60 minutes into the city centre (allowing for delays) and then when we get there public transport is very poor. So it is always quicker to go by car.
My father usually leaves at around 5:00am to avoid all the lorries on the M62.
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Book a B & B for the night before for everyone then you can't be late.
You can all go in the panda and your dad can drive. Your mum can just lump it or go on the train on her own. They just need to be told what is happening and there will be no arguments as now is not the time for silly behaviour. Foot needs to go down, firmly.
Motorways are only dual carriageways with an extra lane. If you can use an NSL dual you can use a motorway!
I think your entire family need a good kick up the backside!
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Actually that could be a compromise, go via the A roads but stay over. It will shut my dad up from moaning about the long drive, and won't be that much more than paying for one lot of fuel and two train tickets and trams/taxis etc.
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The stop over might cost less overall.
As for:
>>Need to be there in the afternoon :).
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>> My father usually leaves at around 5:00am to avoid all the lorries on the M62.
So you will all be there around 7:30am? The traffic is terrible on the M62 in the morning granted. Later on it is not.
If you need to be in Leeds or Bradford before 9am, travelling from Manchester, you leave really early. But later on the roads are a lot better.
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Is just a pity the M57 was never built, wouldn't solve this problem but would make the journey easier and no doubt ease a lot of traffic on the M62.
Will suggest we stay over night although we would want go in the day time, so we would have a lot of time to kill they day before. One thing I do know though, is my grandpa wouldn't want all this fuss, but he did know my mother was petrified of motorways and knew of some of the near misses we had getting there (mainly due to badly maintained cars).
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>> Is just a pity the M57 was never built, wouldn't solve this problem but would make the
>> journey easier and no doubt ease a lot of traffic on the M62.
Indeed although it would have been an extension to the end of the M67. it would be useful. No doubt you've seen the motorway documentary. And you can see on Google Earth or similar where it would go.
And into Manchester. They demolished properties to the side of the A57 for the road. And the abrupt ending of the M67 at a roundabout where it looks like two lanes would continue across it.
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>> knew of some of the near misses we had getting there (mainly due to badly maintained cars).
Which is why a good hire car might be okay for your mum.
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Honestly, Sheikha. I am appalled. Perhaps now you understand why we urged you from the start to get on the damn horse and at least learn to canter and scramble through a couple of low hedges.
Now you need to take charge and drive your recalcitrant nearest and dearest - as recalcitrant as you in their own ways - smoothly and on time to the obsequies, you can't do it. I agree with you that an emotional and tiring day is not the best moment to go for it though. Could end in tears.
You need a hire car, preferably with a driver. It'll cost, but it's the only way to do it.
After the funeral, get on the damn horse and make it canter a very long way. Or get rid of it.
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>> Mum won't travel on motorways,
>> I won't drive on motorways
Ah, so it's inherited from your mother then.
>> If my dad borrows my Panda, I would want to be in it to make sure he doesn't rag it
It would probably do it some good. How many times have we told you to give it an Italian tune?
>> last time he kept putting the hand brake down without using the button.
Huh? If you can release the handbrake without using the button, then there is a fault.
However did you pass your test? Have you ever considered taking advanced lessons?
That aside, hope you all end up where you're supposed to be going.
ps, given how accident prone you are, try not to trip and fall down the hole ;)
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Go on the motorway, take your Panda, enjoy the drive, suggest that others who object walk. Maybe share the driving with your Dad - you'll 'bond'.
The fact you're attending a funeral is a handy reminder that life is rather too short to allow fear of the unknown to limit your experiences.
If you want to be really frightened - try a Beijing / Mexico City / Rome taxi ride, the M62 will appear pretty tame thereafter.....
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Rattle, just get in the Panda and drive yourself there ! The others are all over 18, let them decide if they are going and how they are getting there, they are all adults, you are not responsible for getting them there.
I am sorry if this sounds rude, its not really meant to be, but i have never read such a drama about 4 people going to a funeral thats not even a long way away !
Last edited by: Skip on Fri 18 Nov 11 at 08:42
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there a book, a film and a TV drama in here somewhere, just needs a good scriptwriter to get it all tidied up.
I see Dame Maggie Smith playing Rats Mum, and Joanna Lumley as Patsy Stone playing his sister.
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Four Mancunians and a Funeral?
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Rats,
I'd be tempted to make this a watershed moment. Tell them straight - either they shape up or you're shipping out. Your sister is a professional I understand ? Tell her to escort your mother on the train and to face up to some train-related phobia - you go with your dad in the car - you drive. I get the subliminal message that you don't trust him to drive, so tell them straight, their "issues" are not yours - Otherwise your mother is the priority to go to the funeral - go with her on the train take the Panda keys with you and tell the other two to sort themselves out.
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Looks like a subtle variation of this old puzzle
A man wishes to transport a cabbage, a rabbit and a fox across a river in a boat. He can only carry at most one of these in the boat with him per crossing. However, if the man leaves the cabbage with the rabbit it will be eaten, and likewise if he leaves the rabbit with the fox the rabbit will be devoured. When he is with both animals at the same time they are well behaved. How can he transport the cabbage, rabbit and fox across the river in safety?
Answer posted this evening, in case anyone cares!!!!!!
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>>How can he transport the cabbage, rabbit and fox across the river in safety?>>
He takes the Rabbit over, then goes back for the Fox, he leaves the Fox though takes the Rabbit back with him to get the Cabbage, he leaves the Rabbit while he takes the Cabbage over, he then goes back for the Rabbit.
Last edited by: Cheddar on Fri 18 Nov 11 at 09:11
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Its easy, you take the Fox, The Rabbit and the Cabbage on a team building exercise, get them to realise their strengths and weaknesses, and then get them to work as a team building a bigger raft out of old oil drums.
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Excellent Zero! A real 21st century bit of management carp!
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>> Its easy, you take the Fox, The Rabbit and the Cabbage on a team building
>> exercise, get them to realise their strengths and weaknesses,
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and then get them to work as a team building a bigger raft out of old oil drums.
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I have been waiting for thread drift :-)
I look forward to the wash up report to management.
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He takes the rabbit and fox over. Puts rabbit and fox in separate cages so they can't run away or eat each other. He goes back over and cooks and eats the cabbage. Then returns to the fox and rabbit for pudding.
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No criticism intended here but this thread has rather strongly illustrated the vast difference in people's possible perspectives on distance and the potential dangers or otherwise of what would be to most a relatively simple journey.
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>>How can he transport the cabbage, rabbit and fox across the river in safety?>>
you forgot to mention that the man is aquaphobic, and afraid of the boat springing a leak ;-)
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The rabbit is the key player, because he is the only one who can be either predator or lunch.
Take rabbit across (fox and cabbage are safe together)
Go back and fetch cabbage
Take rabbit back again
Take fox over (again, OK with cabbage)
Go back and fetch rabbit.
Give mum number of taxi firm
Give dad number of taxi firm
Give sister number of taxi firm
Go home and have a day out somewhere else.
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A compromise might have finally been reached. All four us go via the wood head pass in the Panda but then me and my mother will get the train back. We then get the tram and I will pick her up from the tram station in the Fiesta.
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>> A compromise might have finally been reached. All four us go via the wood head
>> pass in the Panda but then me and my mother will get the train back.>>
Why not do that both ways? Your mother will surely be a bit more relaxed on the way back after a few sherrys.
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Because it involves going back in the dark, and my dad doesn't want to go via the woodhead pass at night. Really isn't a problem going back on the train it was if we had to there via the train it was going to cause the logistical nightmare.
Staying over is not an option either as we all have work.
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Well Rattle, my congratulations.
You have done it again.
74 replies at the time of writing, all about some trivial domestic arrangement of yours.
Stands back, removes hat in respect and shakes head in disbelief.
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Hey! be fair!
It beats East Enders or Coronation St.
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It isn't trivial to Rattle and anything beats a soap opera!
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Rattle's life is a soap opera.
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Rattle's ability to take all manner of criticism squarely on the chin, without complaint, is a credit to him.
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Be fair - funerals are trying occasions and older people react in unpredictable ways.
My parents, then in their sixties, made such difficulties about travelling the mere 50 miles to attend my (first) wife's funeral that they ended up declining to go at all. It was quite upsetting at the time, because they were my only family and the other side were well represented.
They had rejected all offers of means of taking them to the funeral, but in the end they just had to be left to themselves.
Odd, but there we are.
It's hard not to respond flippantly to some of Rattle's doings - you couldn't invent a soap opera about some of them. Then when someone makes the obvious comparisons with the Weddings film or the boat across the river puzzle, it all goes off the rails.
Sorry Rattle, I hope it gets sorted out. But it's not necessarily always your responsibility to do so.
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Just a suggestion for the family Christmas present list. Not sure how many copies would be needed...
:-)
www.howtogetagrip.com/
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£3.28 on Amazon. Seems as good a place to start as any. I've ordered one before stopping to think the recipient I have in mind might be slightly offended. Never mind ;-)
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>> Then when someone makes the obvious comparisons with
>> the Weddings film or the boat across the river puzzle, it all goes off the
>> rails.
And there we were thinking we were funny, Obvious! O the hurt.
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>> Because it involves going back in the dark, and my dad doesn't want to go
>> via the woodhead pass at night. Really isn't a problem going back on the train
>> it was if we had to there via the train it was going to cause
>> the logistical nightmare.
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>> Staying over is not an option either as we all have work.
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Go back on the motorway. Easy. Your mother will just have to lump it or go back on her own.
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Tickets bought now, just have to trust my farther not to do anything silly, but he has probably done around 250,000 miles in his life time of driving, and only one accident was his fault, the other one wasn't.
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I sometimes think that my life can be complicated.............then I read a Rattle post and thank my lucky stars.....
Last edited by: mikeyb on Fri 18 Nov 11 at 15:11
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Glad it's sorted. Keep us posted. This forum would be so much the worse without these glimpses into your life.
Hope the funeral goes well, or as well as these things can.
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Id say stuff the lot of them you turn up on time and let them fend for themselves.
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Don't forget Rattle, small Italian cars are designed to be thrashed - they thrive on it ;-)
Peter
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>>Tickets bought now, just have to trust my farther not to do anything silly, but he has probably done around 250,000 miles in his life time of driving, and only one accident was his fault, the other one wasn't.
based on that Rattle, and your own admission that you are too scared to drive on a motorway, I think its safe to say the Panda is in safer hands when he is behind the wheel!
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>> Because it involves going back in the dark, and my dad doesn't want to go
>> via the woodhead pass at night.
What happens at woodhead pass at night then?
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>> >> Because it involves going back in the dark, and my dad doesn't want to
>> go
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>> What happens at woodhead pass at night then?
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Is Woodhead Pass as scary as Snake Pass? If so, how anyone could even consider them as an alternative to a motorway utterly baffles me.
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The fox may be vegetarian...putting the cabbage at great danger !
Ted
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You all forgot the Environmental Impact Assessment as well
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Having just done a risk assessment, it has been decided this trip is banned.
1/ the cabbage may fall into the river, rot, and contaminate the river.
2/ the rabbits droppings may contaminate the cabbage.
3/ the fox may rock the boat, causing the man to fall into the river
There are other H&S issues, but typing them may cause me wrist strain.
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>>I am not too fussed, BUT I refuse to travel by
>> plane.
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Oh cock. I was about to invite you to spend Xmas on this side of the world, in the sunshine, and indoctrinate you into a world of 'having fun', and 'meeting folk', and 'not taking everything in life so seriously'.
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>> >>I am not too fussed, BUT I refuse to travel by
>> >> plane.
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Yeah - dont want to be using any of that really SAFE transport :-)
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>> >> >>I am not too fussed, BUT I refuse to travel by
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>> Yeah - dont want to be using any of that really SAFE transport :-)
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So you've never left the UK?!
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>> So you've never left the UK?!
And you FF have perhaps never been on a ferry or through the Chunnel;-)
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>> >> So you've never left the UK?!
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>> And you FF have perhaps never been on a ferry or through the Chunnel;-)
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Bragging rights:
I've been both through the Chunnel AND across the Bay of Biscay in a force 11 gale (albiet not on the same trip!). Wedge seat into corner, order whiskey in a Cognac glass, relax.
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>>Wedge seat into corner, order whiskey in a Cognac glass, relax.
Recalls memories of crossing saint George's channel at almost any time of year.
;>)
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Years ago, there was a guy in our village who had a roofing business. I have no idea what regulations he was supposed to follow but he clearly didn't. No scaffolding or hard hats or hi-viz anything for this chap. He could often be seem trotting about on wet tiles, three floors up, fag on, and often with his boot laces undone. Very laid back sort of fellow. I once asked him if he was agraid of falling, to which he replied that he never gave that part a second thought but the notion of hitting the ground bothered him a bit.
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No, just the way my mind works. Attitudes to risk etc.
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Sorry Rattle. I looked away for a second.
What has been decided?
You said the tickets have been bought!
Which tickets? Plane Tickets? Train tickets? Tram tickets? Bus tickets? Car park tickets? London congestion zone tickets?
My respect for you is undiminished.
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How difficult is to get four people to a flipping. - Zero
