Non-motoring > Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: Falkirk Bairn	Replies: 23

Tue 15 Nov 11 11:28   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Falkirk Bairn

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8890676/Charlie-Gilmour-released-from-prison.html Sentenced to 16 months / gets out in 4 months What is the point of 16 month sentences if they only serve 4? getting out early for good behaviour is right but only 1/4 of sentence? The litany of MPs only served 1/4 time. Time to build more jails I would suggest Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 12:54   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Manatee

I don't think he's had special treatment. It's normal to serve half, but half of that can be on release with a tag. His punishment has actually been pretty severe for what amounts to juvenile stupidity. TBH it's not serving much purpose keeping him locked up, no more the MPs whose careers are ruined anyway, and I don't want to be paying for jails to keep people like them. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 13:15   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Cliff Pope

Factors to consider would surely be: 1) Is he more likely to repeat the offence if he is let out early? 2) Does a 16 month term deter other people from this activity, but 4 months encourage others to have ago? 3) Would 16 months in jail give time for the prison educational system to reform him and make him into a good Toad, but 4 months is just a waste and a job only partly done? 4) It's satisfying to administer punishment for its own sake, and makes us feel less outraged by his behaviour. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 13:30   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Dog

>>His punishment has actually been pretty severe for what amounts to juvenile stupidity<< "He was part of a mob which ransacked Topshop on Oxford Street, causing £50,000 of damage; attacked the convoy carrying Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall to the Royal Variety Performance; and was photographed swinging from a Union Flag on the Cenotaph" Juvenile stupidity eh! Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 14:15   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Fursty Ferret

Don't condone what he's done but should think that 4 months is just as effective as 16 months at stuffing up his life. Lucky he's got rich parents, 'cos he's lost his university place (and rightly, a history student swinging on the Cenotaph!) and has very limited career prospects in the near future. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 14:20   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Old Navy

Don't be sure he will lose his university place, the rich look after their own. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061600/David-Gilmours-son-Charlie-released-jail-Cambridge-University-IS-taking-back.html The mods would not like what I would swing him with if he had any. Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 15 Nov 11 at 14:24 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 14:27   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - henry k

>>Lucky he's got rich parents, 'cos he's lost his university place (and rightly, a history student swinging on the Cenotaph!) >> Thats not what I have read "Home, James! Shamed son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour picked up from prison by limo after serving just QUARTER of his sentence (and Cambridge Uni will take him back too)" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061600/David-Gilmours-son-Charlie-released-jail-Cambridge-University-IS-taking-back.html#ixzz1dmf2z0kT "Cambridge University authorities are yet to make a formal decision on whether he should be disciplined, but have indicated he is extremely unlikely to be expelled." Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 14:51   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Fursty Ferret

I suppose in the long run better to give him a chance to make something of his life instead of ruining it completely. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 15:19   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Mapmaker

Not sure I understand the sentence. 16 months for swinging on a flag? He may well have done it on the same day as Topshop was raided, and HRH held up, but fortunately we don't put people in jail for being in the same city at the same time as a crime is committed. Now, it's obviously not very clever to swing from the Cenotaph flag. But it doesn't look like a jail sentence to me. Humiliation from being all over the papers is probably plenty. And certainly I don't want to have to pay for his board and lodging. People who can afford it should be charged for time spent in jail. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 15:21   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - R.P.

I suppose that the worst punishment is that he's a life-long knob with little or no prospect of reforming. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 15:24   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - devonite

>> Those "protesters" that burnt our National Flag (and were filmed by TV) never had any "steps" taken against them! - and they were at a home-coming at Wooton-Basset if I think correctly Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 15:25   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Focusless

>> He may well have done it on the same day as Topshop was raided, and >> HRH held up, but fortunately we don't put people in jail for being in the >> same city at the same time as a crime is committed. The BBC report says he "...had attacked a shop in Oxford Street and a car in a royal convoy", so presumably it was proven he was more than just in the vicinity. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15734986 Last edited by: Focus on Tue 15 Nov 11 at 15:25 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 15:28   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Crankcase

He admitted violent disorder, so the sentencing followed from that. This gives an idea of the sort of sentences to be expected on admission of that offence. I don't know why he admitted it. www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/violent_disorder/ Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 17:00   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Iffy

...I don't know why he admitted it... Because in pre-trial horse trading, mention may have been made of the charge of riot, which is even worse. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Tue 15 Nov 11 17:43   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Robin O'Reliant

From what I understand people released early are only out on licence and can be recalled to jail at any time during the full length of their sentence should their behaviour warrant it. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 18:20   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Iffy

...and can be recalled to jail at any time during the full length of their sentence should their behaviour warrant it... They can. Widespread early release has meant lots of recalls because the repeat offenders are able to resume their criminal career sooner. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Tue 15 Nov 11 19:35   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Harleyman

In a case like this, I'd suggest that he's unlikely to re-offend; the public humiliation, and the life-long stain on his character, are enough for someone who's obviously bright enough to put it behind him and go on to do well. If he's intelligent enough to go to Cambridge, he's also intelligent enough to realise that he's been fortunate and now has the chance to publicly make amends for his foolishness. He's also lucky to have supportive parents, there are probably more than a few who would have disowned him for what he did. It's one more cell space free for a genuine scumbag to inhabit; they're the ones who should be kept in, not silly kids with more money than common sense. Last edited by: Harleyman on Tue 15 Nov 11 at 19:40 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 21:31   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Bromptonaut

Prison can be: * a short sharp shock * medium/long term rehabilitation * warehouse for the incurably criminal Gilmour seems to deserve the first and if it's going to work it will have by now. Trouble is Uni don't want him back until next autumn so he's got a lot of time to fill. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 21:44   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - CGNorwich

* a short sharp shock * medium/long term rehabilitation * warehouse for the incurably criminal or hostel for the inadequate, mentally ill, and drug addicts (largest category). Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 21:52   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Bromptonaut

>> or hostel for the inadequate, mentally ill, and drug addicts (largest category). Quite right, I missed that one. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 15 Nov 11 22:24   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Robin O'Reliant

Or six months in Afghanistan. Then see what his attitude to war memorials is on return. Reply to this message | Report message       2

Wed 16 Nov 11 03:47   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Iffy

Prison officers tell me it takes a minimum of a couple of years of jail time to do any meaningful rehabilitation. Apart from any thing else, it takes months to assess a prisoner's needs, and more months to arrange for those needs to be met. Given the massive discounts, any sentence passed by the court of much under five years is effectively a warehousing sentence. Full prisons is another problem - even the well-motivated prison officers have little time other than to keep the establishment secure. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 16 Nov 11 08:47   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Dog

>>Prison officers tell me it takes a minimum of a couple of years of jail time to do any meaningful rehabilitation<< The likes of Charlie Pink Floyd Gilmore don't need no blimming rehab m8y, they need a short-sharp-shock like wot I had c68 in HMDC Send = 3 months of punishment, and I aint gorn back for a 2nd helping, yet. Reply to this message | Report message       2

Wed 16 Nov 11 14:08   Charlie Gilmour (Cenotaph flag swing) out in 4 mth - Mapmaker

>> The likes of Charlie Pink Floyd Gilmore don't need no blimming rehab m8y, they need >> a short-sharp-shock like wot I had c68 in HMDC Send = 3 months of punishment, I reckon 1 week is probably enough actually. Reply to this message | Report message