Non-motoring > JCB Miscellaneous
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 JCB - Zero
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1CMSV81_ws&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I dont know whether to applaud the skill or laugh at the stupidity of it all.
 JCB - Dave_
That's a Caterpillar, not a JCB :-p
 JCB - Zero
I hope your injectors get clogged.
 JCB - madf
Risk assessment?
Wossat?
 JCB - Old Navy
Many more on the tube.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e9Uwf6cz9w
 JCB - Harleyman
Can tell this isn't done in the UK. Not a hi-viz or hard hat in sight.
 JCB - Old Navy
Recently in Barcelona I saw a temporary stage and roof being erected with a Hiab truck, no harnesses for the guys at the top, no helmets for the guys on the ground. All wearing trainers, and minus hi-viz. A job done without drama or a jobsworth. In the UK it would have taken twice as long with more supervisors than workers.
 JCB - Bagpuss
Guessing this is a publicity stunt for Caterpillar or something similar. Otherwise they would have concluded that using a ramp would be a better idea. Even in Kansas.
 JCB - Harleyman
In the UK it would have taken twice as long with more supervisors than
>> workers.
>>

It's not just time. Think I've mentioned this before, but a close friend is a railway civil engineer. His favourite H&S story is of a re-paint on several hired portakabins being off-hired on the West Coast upgrade contract. A job he'd costed at less than £500 ended up costing ten times that after the men in yellow vests had finished with it.
 JCB - VxFan
What a waste of 6 mins 36 seconds.

I was waiting for something to go wrong.
 JCB - Dave_
>> Can tell this isn't done in the UK. Not a hi-viz or hard hat in sight.

Now I'm working for an agency, I've found the clients are split into two camps on H&S: All; or nothing. This week I'm at an example of the latter, getting strange looks for my hi-vis, boots, gloves and insistence on checking the oil, bulbs and tyres of a morning.
 JCB - rtj70
On our old house we needed the chimney repointing. Because of H&S we had to have scaffolding - it's a long way down on that big old house. The irony was the scaffolders put the scaffold up without using any ladders, helmets, boards (to make platforms on the way up), etc... a lot of risk taken IMO because of H&S. The bloke just clambered up and erected it in no time with a colleague passing up the poles.
 JCB - MD
Is there another way?
 JCB - rtj70
I expected them to use boards on the scaffolding on the way up for starters. And possibly some ladders.

I've used the sort of scaffold tower you can hire before and you built it as you went up and had floors/ladders to get up.

I suppose it makes sense they just clamber about but as I said it's ironic that the house is deemed too tall to do any work so you need a scaffold for access. And yet those assembling scaffolding are taking even more risks than someone going up a ladder.
 JCB - CGNorwich
Here's an expert.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_7uIapoHc&feature=related
 JCB - Cliff Pope
>> the house is deemed too tall to do any work so you need a
>> scaffold for access. And yet those assembling scaffolding are taking even more risks than someone
>> going up a ladder.
>>


We had our house completely repointed/rendered and the chimneys repointed last year.
It was encased in scaffolding and had 5 levels of planked walkways running right round the house.
The scaffolders were very quick, but didn't seem to me to take any particular risks. They built the first layer, laid down the planks, then went up a level, and so on. They clamped the interconnecting ladders to the scaffolding, which is a lot safe than just resting them on dodgy guttering.

The children loved it. When the builders had finished for the day the house became a battlemented castle, under seige from attackers armed with wooden swords, repelled by bows and arrows with rubber suckers.
The builders gave a wink as they retrieved the debris - probably letting children play on scaffolding contravenes Sickness & Danger regulations.
 JCB - Harleyman
This week I'm at an example of the latter, getting
>> strange looks for my hi-vis, boots, gloves and insistence on checking the oil, bulbs and
>> tyres of a morning.
>>

Best way to go about it on agency mate. Most of H&S is about ass-covering, and that is exactly what you're doing!

At the other extreme; our site boss is positively anal about H&S, audits, conformance etc. Bump caps and hi-viz jackets have to be worn at all times, even by office staff going from the office to the gate for a smoke by means of a seperate footpath.

His mindset is that because there are a few employees who, to use his own words, "aren't as bright as the rest", we ALL have to conform to the lowest common denominator.

Mind you he is an engineer by profession, and most of us have heard all the jokes!
 JCB - Zero
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>> His mindset is that because there are a few employees who, to use his own
>> words, "aren't as bright as the rest", we ALL have to conform to the lowest
>> common denominator.

Alas the guy is right!
 JCB - rtj70
>> Alas the guy is right!

I still remember a particular story in a lecture we had for a law module. In a real lawsuit, someone tried to sue their employer because they had been climbing up the shelves in the warehouse to get something and fell. They should have used the ladder provided. Problem for them they reached out to save themselves from a fall and their wedding ring got caught on a bolt and ripped off their finger. Ouch.

Final outcome? The employee (now lacking a finger) was fined by H&S for what they did. Double ouch.
 JCB - Harleyman

>> Alas the guy is right!
>>

Maybe but he's still anal. Trouble is that if you take that mindset too far you end up with a self-fulfilling prophecy, because everyone's system gets so overloaded with BS and scared of contravening one of the often conflicting rules that they switch off completely.
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