I'm papering some wall, but we have a special woven fibreglasss paper here that covers all the nasties - ideal for old houses with lumps and bumps in the walls.
Question is, does the glue (which is some sort of watered down pva stuff) have to be applied to the paper or the wall? Normally, it's applied to the paper, but why is this, as it's easier to apply to the wall with a roller.
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That is such a good idea it's bound to be unworkable for some reason or another.
Of all the horrible detestable vile and nasty DiY tasks wallpapering tops my list by a country mile.
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Although have done quite a bit of wallpapering have never used this stuff but it looks an interesting product. Various sites indicate that you do in fact apply the adhesive to the wall rather that the "paper'. Would check with the manufacturer.
Interesting to know how you get on and what you think of the product.
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I put paste on both paper and wall then you can slide the paper about better to match up etc.
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Yeah, I hate papering myself. But I've got the parents coming over next week, so that will keep them out of my hair for a while.
It's popular stuff here for old houses. It's a bit like the stuff you lay down to stop weeds coming through, but made of fibre glass and with a light texture or weave. So it doesn't need matching, and they usually overlap the edges 1/2" or so. Then overpainted. It's like the modern version of wood chip paper, but a bit more attractive.
The problem is the previous guy has put up plaster boards - badly. They're all a bit uneven due to bad workmanship and uneven walls behind (it's a wooden house from 1860). It's going to be my showroom for the dog boxes, so it only needs to be clean and tidy. There's no point in trying to make it into an Ikea showhome.
There's a whole range of 'cover up' products here. Everything from the thick wallpapers, to large sheets of thin mdf click together panels that look like tongue and groove panels. It's a bodgers dream.
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Paper expands as it absorbs moisture, and then shrinks again as it dies out. A classic error when wallpapering is not wait long enough after pasting the paper, so that it goes on expanding after you have stuck it on the wall. This causes bubbles which do not always go down again as the paper dries.
If the paper is applied fully-expanded then it dries tight to the wall.
I can't see how putting paste on the wall-only can achieve this - it sound like a recipe for horrible bubbly paper.
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>> Paper expands as it absorbs moisture,
but its not paper!
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You are right as far as paper is concerned but the product the OP refers to is a fibre glass based material with its own special adhesive. There are certain vinyl wallcoverings where you also are apply the paste to the wall.
For applying conventional wallpapers you should 'size' the walls first especially if paper has not been applied before using either a diluted solution of wallpaper paste or wallpaper size. This should be allowed to dry first and will prevent the paper 'grabbing' and allow the paper to slide into position.
If you really want some fun try papering a ceiling!
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>>I put paste on both paper and wall then you can slide the paper about better<<
+1
The good thing (to me) about the old cottage we live in now (c1790) is that it has no wallpaper, no coving,
and no skirting board.
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>> The good thing (to me) about the old cottage we live in now (c1790) is
>> that it has no wallpaper, no coving,
>> and no skirting board.
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Doesn't the straw suffer from damp, though?
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As long as you keep the distemper covering the horse urine and cow pat wattle and daub in tact its usually ok.
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Granite innit ... cob can be fun though, especially if it gets wet :(
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Granite is fun too when you want to put up a shelf
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I wondered why there were no shelves anywhere :)
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>> Doesn't the straw suffer from damp, though?
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Only if someone forgets to take him for walkies.
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You'll never get it off again if there's PVA in it...
I adore wallpapering, I find it incredibly satisfying and is a real art form.
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I started hanging wallpaper at 9 years old when my dad died,
50 years later I'm an ex spurt at it, but not too old to learn mind!
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I love wallpapering too, there's something very therapeutic about seeing such an instant change to a room by just my own effort.
Pat
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>>there's something very therapeutic about seeing such an instant change to a room
Especially when a professional is doing it for you! Having said that, I am happy to do all the preparation. I just don't like hanging paper and will only entertain the idea in the smallest of rooms.
As for ceilings, well...
Last edited by: Clk Sec on Mon 22 Aug 11 at 11:25
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>> As for ceilings, well...
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Oh, Lord. We've just had textured wallpaper taken off all the 1st floor ceilings in our house. We thought we'd then just have to clean them up and repaint, but no. It turns out they'd been papered to cover over rock hard lumps of glue reside from previous celing tiles, which simply wouldn't sand. One team of plasterers and 800 pounds later they were skimmed and smooth. Harumph.
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>> 40 years later I'm an ex spurt at it, but not too old to learn
>> mind!
And me, my finest moment was long drops in a three story stairwell/hall. I am very very good at paperhanging, but very very slow. About one drop every thirty minutes.
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>>About one drop every thirty minutes<<
Same here ... I hang a sheet, then sit down and admire it :-D
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>> Same here ... I hang a sheet, then sit down and admire it :-D
Thats what er indoors says, but I tell her, firmly, that I am allowing the previous sheet to "stabilise" and ensure a perfect match.
She is none the wiser, specially when I point out, loudly, shortcomings in friends efforts at their homes.
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The biggest skill I think is in hanging lining paper - when there is no intention to use a patterned paper on top. After hanging, the joints should be filled so that it looks as though the room hasn't been papered. I can spend many happy hours filling.
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>> The biggest skill I think is in hanging lining paper - when there is no
>> intention to use a patterned paper on top. After hanging, the joints should be filled
>> so that it looks as though the room hasn't been papered. I can spend many
>> happy hours filling.
you need to fill your joints? OOo bad hanging old boy
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You can get your joints so they are invisible? I was taught this by an old pro who was an excellent decorator.
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>> You can get your joints so they are invisible?
Yup, good enough that with a coat or three of emulsion they cant be seen.
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Shouldn't lining paper be hung horizontally, or am I thinking of that thick stuff that insulates as well?
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Lining paper should be hung horizontally if you are going to put a decorative paper or covering over it hung vertically.
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...specially when I point out, loudly, shortcomings in friends efforts at their homes...
That's one way to avoid being invited again.
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Well the old folks will be here in a couple of days time, so I'll let you know how it goes.
I have some papered ceilings in this house. It was done in the old days straight over pine boards. They used what looks like brown wrapping paper, wetted it (no paste), then suspended it across the ceiling, held at the ends with lots of tin tacks. When dry, it went taught, and hey presto, a lined ceiling. One corner in one room was bad, so I investigated it by giving it a tug. That broke it free from the tacks and the whole lot came down in one large strip. Quite impressive really.
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"50 years later I'm an ex spurt at it,"
You must remember buying wallpaper untrimmed from which the selvage had to be removed. Can remember my dad doing this by hand with shears. I think you could play extra and the shop would trim the rolls with a little machine.
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>>the shop would trim the rolls with a little machine.
No it wasn't, it was a damn great big machine, all green cast iron and stuff. I worked in a hardware shop (remember them) during my school holidays. They wouldn't let me near that beast.
A later development was 'knock-off' ends. Get it wrong and you 'bruised' the roll of wallpaper.
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Never hung any and intend to go 'out' the same way.
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>>You must remember buying wallpaper untrimmed from which the selvage had to be removed<<
I'll be honest and say I don't actually remember that, although I know what you mean, having seen it in the shop,
The paper would have been bought by my 15 year older brother, and I served my 'apprenticeship' on the hall,
which in those days (c62) we only papered half the wall, stuck a thin border up, then emulsioned the upper wall,
I can also remember we/I painted all the doors in the hall (6) a different colour :-
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I hate wallpaper, sorry but I just do. Our old house had stone walls which had been plastered and wallpapered over the years. I knocked it all off back to the bare stone which I then sealed and in some cases subsequently painted. Looked good to me. Our current house was bought as a new build so had pristime plaster. I've never papered any of it and just paint the walls whatever colour we fancy at the time. I can wallpaper, I used to do it for my parents but I just can't bear the stuff. It irritates me. My wife has a degree in fine art so our house full of stuff I don't understand anyway.
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No wallpaper here either. The old gaff had wallpapered living room, hall and landing - only because it would have been a lot more work to fix the marks and scuffs on the plasterwork....the chimney breast had a very nice paper...the rest was plain and painted. All done professionally it looked good.
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If you have good walls, or feature walls you would never paper.
But for crap walls its a good cover, plain paper and then can be painted as you want.
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That's what we did - apart from a nice Laura Ashley feature wall.....from the sales of course..
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Well we got the paper up ok. Fortunately there is no coving or skirting yet, so just measured the height of the wall and cut the glass fibre stuff into lengths. Slapped on the pva glue and hung the stuff. It needed to be run over with a pva'd roller afterwards to fully soften the paper and get it to stick everywhere. On big imperfections it didn't matter anyway, as when the glue hardened the paper went stiff. Time taken to do a 3m x 5m room, about 2 hours.
I'll start painting it tomorrow and see how it looks.
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Wallpapering advice - Robin O'Reliant
