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Thread Author: Iffy	Replies: 38

New Sat 23 Jul 11 08:39   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Iffy

One of the most startling things about the dreadful events in Norway is the guy managed to shoot - and kill - 80 people. How is that possible? It's a lot of bullets for one thing, assuming each shot was fatal, which it probably wasn't. Then there's hitting the target, it can't be easy to shoot people who are running away. I'm in no way wishing to glorify this man's actions, but he must have been an expert marksman, and he must have been carrying a lot of ammunition. tinyurl.com/3cmqyyo Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 09:25   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Lygonos

Diversion of bomb blast meant no cops near the island - he may have had a while before any help could reach them. Apparently he got the groups to gather round to 'discuss' the bomb blasts then opened fire. Many were killed trying to swim away. And the island is really rather small when you see the overhead pictures of it. Utterly horrendous act in the name of warped politics I guess. Is the date of any significance to Neo Nazis? Saw something about Rudolf Hess a couple of daya ago on the Beeb site. Last edited by: Lygonos on Sat 23 Jul 11 at 09:26 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 10:10   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - R.P.

I can't believe it - an unusually busy day for me yesterday - CAB bunker in the day and delivering a bike we'd sold to Cheshire until late evening, meant I was disconnected from the media until this morning. Shocking event, totally incredible. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 10:12   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - zippy

Unbelievable! Truly unbelievable! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 10:32   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Chris S

I bet Norway's small Muslim population are relieved that he wasn't one of them. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 11:24   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Zero

>> Then there's hitting the target, it can't be easy to shoot people who are running >> away. >> >> I'm in no way wishing to glorify this man's actions, but he must have been >> an expert marksman, and he must have been carrying a lot of ammunition. He must have had an automatic weapon of some kind with a large magazine. There is no way you can shoot and kill 80 people on an island that small with a pistol or rifle, you would get jumped on and disarmed by those you hadnt yet shot. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 12:01   Norway Shooting - Ambo

One man shoots over 100 people, 83 dead so far. What on earth kind of gun had he? This is an obvious question but I can't find the answer in the media. A Norwegian commenator said it was a "handgun" but this means a revolver or automatic pistol, neither suitable for mass slaughter. The weight of a machine gun, plus all the ammunition required, would imply shooting from a static position but victims are reported as beinf pursued all over the island and into the sea. moved from a new thread into the existing one. Last edited by: R.P. on Sat 23 Jul 11 at 12:25 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 12:27   Norway Shooting - sooty123

Reports I've read state an automatic rifle, a shotgun and a handgun. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 12:33   Norway Shooting - zippy

One would hope that if it were a hand gun then he would have been overpowered, but he was in a police uniform in a country where people respect authority. I wonder if that contributed? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 12:58   Norway Shooting - henry k

>> ... but he was in a police uniform in a country where people respect authority. >> I wonder if that contributed? >> It certainly did. " we thought we were safe .......when the policeman arrived" 60 secs into this interview www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259166 Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 23 Jul 11 13:48   Norway Shooting - Westpig

Probably a good moment for me to insert my support for the death penalty...rather than have someone like this supported in a comfy prison, with God knows what facilities that the local poor could only dream of...and then quite possibly be out in 15 - 20 years time to start his life again. He should be despatched..to somewhere else. The strong should look after the weak, not wring their hands and let the weak fend for themselves. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Sat 23 Jul 11 14:46   Norway Shooting - Lygonos

Too many innocent men took a drop thanks to corrupt cops, so I'm generally against it. I could turn a blind eye for this chap probably. Let's see what his psychiatrist says though. Look at the US - the average IQ of the guys heading to the chair is about the same as a 7 year old child. In China at least they have a steady supply of healthy organs. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 23 Jul 11 15:45   Norway Shooting - zippy

Corrupt systems worry me. Just look at Texas where a judge knowing a last minute appeal was going to land on her desk left early. The man was executed and new compelling expert evidence not available at the time makes him look innocent. Also the case of a convicted rapist who's DNA it has been proved wasn't "there" cannot get a retrial. The problem of errors that take away one life in error makes it a no for me. However, caught bang to rights as it were, with witnesses? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 16:42   Norway Shooting - Ambo

Irish Times 14:28 hours: Police seek second suspect. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 23 Jul 11 21:59   Norway Shooting - CGNorwich

Seems the guy was a far right extremist with all the usual hatreds. Rather disturbing the extent of neo nazi sympathisers in Skandinavia as Stieg Larsson revealed. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 21:11   Norway Shooting - corax

Can't help thinking that he looks like a younger version of Klaus Maria Brandauer who played a madman in the Bond film 'Never Say Never Again'. www.imdb.com/media/rm3452222208/tt0086006 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 22:08   Norway Shooting - rtj70

Killing so many when using dumdum bullets was perhaps part of it. And delaying any response by detonating 3 tonnes of explosives in Oslo as a smoke screen. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 23:50   Norway Shooting - Kevin

>The man was executed and new compelling expert evidence not available at the time >makes him look innocent. Which case is that? A friend of mine is the Supervising Attorney at Texas Court of Criminal Appeals and, despite what the papers would like you to believe, Judge Roy Bean died in 1903. The appeals process in Texas often takes ten years or more and involves State appeals, Federal appeals and the Supreme Court and State Governor. Only the Supreme Court or State Governor can order a stay of execution, so any last-minute appeal to a Texas judge is useless whether she goes home early or not. >Also the case of a convicted rapist who's DNA it has been proved wasn't "there" >cannot get a retrial. Was his conviction based solely on DNA or a combination of other evidence? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 11:07   Norway Shooting - zippy

Judge going home early: tinyurl.com/3uv6uan Is he innocent?: tinyurl.com/n2v2zf Refused retrial: tinyurl.com/3sh4ujx (though I cannot at the moment find the one I remember reading about. Now I know these news articles are not trials, but one would hope, if there is any doubt, that there would be an investigation or retrial. The problem is that some political and judicial careers (in the US and here) rely on being seen to be tough on sentencing and crime and therefore there is some unwillingness to revisit cases where there is a need. Where there is the death penalty, this is particularly a problem. Last edited by: zippy on Tue 26 Jul 11 at 11:10 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 22:07   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Focusless

>> It's a lot of bullets for one thing, assuming each shot was fatal, which it >> probably wasn't. 'hospital sources said he had used dum-dum bullets' www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14270655 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 22:08   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - rtj70

Snap Focus. I'd read this earlier today but hadn't posted but for some reason did just after you. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 22:59   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Zero

sure but you still have to hit people with them. In the right part of the body. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 25 Jul 11 23:10   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Dave

There's nothing unusual about expanding ammunition. In fact it's law, certainly in the nordic countries, that they are used for many types of hunting. The guns here are 'classed' depending on calibre and ammo weights, type (solid or hollow), and energy. Certain classes have to be used for certain quarry. I've got a few hundred rounds of 30-06 expanding ammo in the cupboard - there's nothing unusual in that. And there are no upper limits on the amount that can be purchased or stored - assuming a licence is held for that class of weapon/ammo. Dum dum is a term that's only used by the media to add a bit of drama and impact (excuse the pun). Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Tue 26 Jul 11 00:27   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Kevin

>Dum dum is a term that's only used by the media to add a bit of drama and impact (excuse the pun). Exactly. I wonder how many people know that various designs of soft nose ammunition are available from any reasonably stocked gun shop in the UK. And, that using 'light' ammunition against a particular target can lose you your license. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 09:11   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - MD

>> There's nothing unusual about expanding ammunition. In fact it's law, certainly in the nordic countries, >> that they are used for many types of hunting. The guns here are 'classed' depending >> on calibre and ammo weights, type (solid or hollow), and energy. Certain classes have to >> be used for certain quarry. I've got a few hundred rounds of 30-06 expanding ammo >> in the cupboard - there's nothing unusual in that. And there are no upper limits >> on the amount that can be purchased or stored - assuming a licence is held >> for that class of weapon/ammo. >> >> Dum dum is a term that's only used by the media to add a bit >> of drama and impact (excuse the pun). >> Are you based in Norway Sir? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 00:36   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - rtj70

Next week we plan two experiments: 1. We shoot zero 2, Next we will redo with dums-dums. We are all hoping when we shoot Geoff he will be fine. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 01:44   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Lygonos

You bring your dum-dums - I'll shoot him in the foot with a Barrett Light 50. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 03:55   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Armel Coussine

>> I'll shoot him in the foot with a Barrett Light 50. There's something a tiny bit sinister about that post Lygonos, unintentional I'm sure. Dressed as a hayrick, wearing blackface, from 600 yards, sort of thing? Hey watch out Zero. Better order some cast steel boots. I hope it hasn't escaped anyone that the 'loathsome berk' who has traumatised Norway was a slightly nerdish, romantic, dreamy-seeming conventional-looking middle class bloke of conservative views? Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Tue 26 Jul 11 at 03:59 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 08:19   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Zero

>> Next week we plan two experiments: >> >> 1. We shoot zero >> 2, Next we will redo with dums-dums. >> >> We are all hoping when we shoot Geoff he will be fine. I'lll be holding a gun to SS's head, if you take me out, I take him with me. Wait, that might not be a good bargaining chip! Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 08:35   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Dutchie

Sorry what are you all on about? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 08:45   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Old Navy

>> Sorry what are you all on about? >> Don't worry about it Dutchie, its just old men fantasising. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 10:50   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Pat

They've gone back to their childhood and are playing cowboys and indians Dutchie. Pat Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 12:51   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Snakey

What baffles (and scares me a little) is how someone could methodically shoot/maim/kill these people. Planting a bomb is one thing, you don't really see the results of your actions. But gunning down screaming terrified teenagers at very short range? Thats a seriously disturbed mind. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 12:55   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - zippy

^^^ +1 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 13:03   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Dutchie

I wonder if he is insane? Very cold according to his laywer.He spared the lad who was intervieuwed in hospital begging for his live. He told his laywer that he was surprised to get to the island without being shot.Who would have thought this happening in Norway rich stabel country.No accounting for peoples behaviour. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 13:26   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Cliff Pope

I'm sure that in the past everyone had to be very careful to refer to the arrest of the "alleged" killer, and that a man answering to a description etc had been detained. Now it seems it is OK to name someone and connect him with the crime before the trial. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 13:31   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - zippy

Very true, look what happened to the poor Bristol landlord around last Christmas. However, it looks like this bloke (I wanted to use another B word) was caught red handed and has admitted doing it. His lawyer is now claiming that he is insane. Now is that the lawyer or the shooter? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 20:14   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Lygonos

Not insane - maximum 21 (or 30) years in jail. Insane - possibly life in high security mental hospital. I'd do the porridge. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jul 11 21:21   How did he manage to shoot 80 people? - Armel Coussine

'I'm sane your honour, just a severe personality disorder, dig this whistle and haircut, Woof! Woof!' "Perhaps you are a mere psychopath young man, but for the good of society this court deems you totally barking. Er, woof! woof! It's life in the excrement for you. Ha ha! Jailer, bung this stupid nasty twerp in the cesspit and bring me the key.' Reply to this message | Report message