Anyone got a problem getting BBC1HD and BBCHD on freesat.
The set is reporting no signal on transport stream 2050
Everything else is fine.
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>>Wierd<<
Or weird even ;}
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>> >>Wierd<<
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>> Or weird even ;}
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Pedant alarm! Thats twice this evening. :-)
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>>Pedant alarm! Thats twice this evening<<
Just tidying up O/N - it must be this bore hole water, no Chlorine, no Fluoride and no Aluminum :)
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...Pedant alarm! Thats twice this evening Just tidying up O/N - it must be this bore hole water, no Chlorine, no Fluoride and no Aluminum :)...
Pedant alarm two: chlorine, fluoride, and aluminium are ordinary nouns so do not take a capital letter.
A bit like cat and dog - except dog would take a capital if it was used as a name.
Hope that's clear dog, I mean, hope that's clear Dog.
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>>Hope that's clear dog, I mean, hope that's clear Dog<<
Hehe! ~ I can still remember Mr Preston, my English teacher and his nouns & verbs which stay with me to this day!
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Missed a comma there, Iffy.
Tsk.
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...Missed a comma there, Iffy...
Where? Where?
This is important.
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Actually you missed two, I think. Between "clear" and "Dog". As Dog is a proper name in this case, a comma should preceed it when you're addressing that person.
Should have been:
"I hope that's clear, Dog."
I think.
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>>Should have been:
"I hope that's clear, Dog."
I think<<
I would have thought that is correct, and I'm un-edumacated.
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Before we get into the realms of the Cambridge comma, I'm going to say my sentence is acceptable when using an informal, conversational style of English.
Cop out?
You bet.
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I was going to say that "if it was used as a name" ought to read "if it were...".
But then I looked up the use of the subjunctive and decided that would make me look foolish, as I would have been wrong. So I decided not to post at all. No, wait...
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...But then I looked up the use of the subjunctive...
The last thing we need around here is someone who knows what they are talking about - clear orf. :)
On re-reading the sentence, a comma before 'Dog' would have been preferable, although the capital 'D' does provide a slight pause.
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The transmission format for the BBC HD stuff was changed from DVB-S to DVB-S2 today, that probably confused the box:-
www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051833
Last edited by: spamcan61 on Mon 6 Jun 11 at 20:40
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AH! yes - Thanks. Not so wierd (weird) then.
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>> AH! yes - Thanks. Not so wierd (weird) then.
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looks like a fair few people had problems:-
www.reghardware.com/2011/06/07/bbc_hd_freesat_switch/
I'd be a very unhappy camper if I'd bought a big fancy expensive Freesat TV a couple of years back and now have now BBC HD.
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I think some Sony TV's are having problems now they are broadcasting in 1080P. The problem is not everything is 1080P and so the broadcast can switch between 1080P/1080i and the TVs get confused. The spec being used should allow for this so the TV manufacturer are to blame.
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Yeah, I assume they're doing it to save bandwidth, but how much this constant 1080i-p swap per GOP actually saves I dunno.
The spec. thing can be a tricky issue, I've never read big chunks of the DVB-T specs, but the bits I have read seem much the same as the equivalent cellular ones; there are all sorts of ambiguities which lead to different designers doing different things and incompatibilities arising. Testing every possible aspect of functionality before release is unlikely I would think.
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You would think the BBC would have wanted the manufacturers help with some testing first though. Maybe a firmware upgrade would fix this. Now we are the guinea pigs. Well I'm not as I don't have Freesat HD. I don't pay Sky for the Sky+ HD service either although I have an HD capable box.
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Something to be said for being a late adopter.
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>> Something to be said for being a late adopter.
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A pretty much universal rule, let someone else do the unpaid beta testing. We do have one TV in Spamcan Towers with HDMI now, so only about 5 years behind the curve.
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>> Yeah, I assume they're doing it to save bandwidth, but how much this
>> constant 1080i-p swap per GOP actually saves I dunno.
AFAIK
The switch to S2 has nothing to do with i-p coding changes which are currently only on the BBC HD service on DTT, not any other DTT services, or Freesat.
The S2 change is to the modulation scheme - how the bits are transmitted and received - rather than the DVB encoding, which is compressing the video, audio, EPG and other data.
FWIW, my Humax foxsat (bought in early 2009) didn't need a rescan for the HD services, post S2 change, but it did have an OTA software update at the beginning of this month (the only one so far).
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>> >> Yeah, I assume they're doing it to save bandwidth, but how much this
>> >> constant 1080i-p swap per GOP actually saves I dunno.
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>> AFAIK
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>> The switch to S2 has nothing to do with i-p coding changes which are currently
>> only on the BBC HD service on DTT, not any other DTT services, or Freesat.
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Yeah, wondered if anyone would spot our seamless switch from -S to -T there ;-). Presumably you could do the same trick on -S if you wanted to, to see how many more TVs break....
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>> Yeah, wondered if anyone would spot our seamless switch from -S to -T there ;-).
>> Presumably you could do the same trick on -S if you wanted to,
>> to see how many more TVs break.
I don't think the changes to transmission and coding are done with a view to deliberately break things.
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>>I think some Sony TV's are having problems now they are broadcasting in 1080P.
www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/bbc-hd-audio-dropouts-sony-201105201158.htm
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images on screen zooming in and out from time to time
Thank's h - I wondered why my 5 year old Panasonic did that sometimes.
Last edited by: Dog on Tue 7 Jun 11 at 22:09
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>> >>I think some Sony TV's are having problems now they are broadcasting in 1080P.
2010 Sony models finally fixed:
www.sony.co.uk/discussions/message/666099#666099
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BBC Freesat HD - Dog
