And who will be relegated with the highest number of points?
I refer, of course, to Premiership football.
There's a few on here who like a bit of red hot soccer chat, so who is in your bottom three?
Today's games are about to start, but West Ham look poorly sick whatever they do this afternoon.
The others are much harder to pick.
I reckon Blackpool will get a daft result at Old Trafford next week and get themselves out of it.
West Ham could win today, and effectively take Wigan down with them.
Someone could go down with 40 points, and I'm going to say Wolves.
So it's the three Ws for the drop for me, West Ham, Wigan and Wolves.
What do you think?
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/fixtures/default.stm
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West Ham ahead, Birmingham losing. There's hope for us yet.
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Don't really care....we've got the FA cup and into Europe ....Thanks Roberto !
Hope The Seasiders stay up, though.....and Wigan.
Well, we're all Lancastrians !
Ted
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>> West Ham ahead, Birmingham losing. There's hope for us yet.
Forget it, they deserve to go down. I hope the sullivans lose every penny so they are destitute and that tart Brady has to go on the game as a needle infested crack wh ore. I hope Avram Grant is denounced as an Arab spy and is executed by Mossad.
The club are in deep mire, and wont survivbe D1 next year,
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2-2.
I don't know about the Olympic Stadium, but with West Ham's debt and relegation I can see us ground sharing with Orient in the near future :-(
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>> Forget it, they deserve to go down. I hope the sullivans lose every penny so
>> they are destitute and that tart Brady has to go on the game as a
>> needle infested crack wh ore. I hope Avram Grant is denounced as an Arab spy
>> and is executed by Mossad.
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>> The club are in deep mire, and wont survivbe D1 next year,
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Ah! I see that your rail tour yesterday has mellowed you somewhat, Zero! :-)
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Bye bye Avram.
If they'd done it half a season ago we might have stayed up.
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I think Blackpool and Birmingham will go now.
As for the mighty Cottagers, looks like the UEFA Cup for us again through the Fair Play League. We may even finish 7th in the league yet. Strange times.
I think West Ham have finally gotten what they deserved after the Tevez cheating affair.
Next up for some natural justice - QPR, who should have been docked points this season.
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I think Fulham should go down for having a statue of Michael Jackson and a bonkers chairman. Have they renamed it to Dodi and Di cottage yet?
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Some people think it's clever to copy American English. I haven't gotten used to the trend!
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As this is the internet, which is american, then its acceptable.
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"Gotten" as with many old English words and phrases isn't American at all. It is simply that it continued to be used by them despite falling out of usage here. You can find the word used quite extensively in the works of Shakespeare for example.
Not sure why I know that or even care to mention it really...
:-)
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It's not "American" English, it's Anglo-Saxon. Besides, American useage is often more original than modern English useage. It's the accent(s) I object to. Apart from ladies with a delicious southern drawl.
Wasn't the internet invented by an Englishman?
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No, the WWW was, but it needs the internet to work, the internet came first.
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>> Wasn't the internet invented by an Englishman?
www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001016.htm
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It was implemented by the american military, to be a high resilience system in the event of a russian nuclear strike.
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>> It was implemented by the american military, to be a high resilience system in the event of a russian nuclear strike.>>
Quite correct. Tim conceived the WWW bit as you will be aware.
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The Internet as we know it exists because of ARPANET which DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) funded. It grew from ARPANET and then other academic networks.
The resilience we take for granted (multiple routes to a destination host) comes from the requirement for it to survive nuclear attack.
Back on topic:
My prediction is Blackpool and either Birmingham or Wigan. Blackpool deserve to stay up but getting points out of their last game at Old Trafford will not be easy.
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>> Ah! I see that your rail tour yesterday has mellowed you somewhat, Zero! :-)
I was being charitable. I see the pornographers and the C.W. are now looking at employing Mclaren as manager. So after employing one manager with a history of failure, they are going after another.
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Amazing that on a day when for the first time as far as I can recall the FA Cup Final was accompanied by club fixtures, that the Premiership fixtures paired Blackpool and Bolton and the score matched their 1953 Wembley epic.
The odds against this happening must have been phenomenal.
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McLaren hardly has 'a history of failure'. He was unsuccessful as England manager but his club record is quite impressive (Middlesborough and Twente Enschede in particular). He is also highly regarded by Ferguson who, though it hurts me to say so, is the most successful club manager ever – certainly in England.
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what did he win as manager?
(hint - its a very short list)
And why is he availble?
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There are only two managers with a good track record in the Premiership - Ferguson and Wenger.
To find a 'proven' manager you have to accept the proof from elsewhere - he's won a bit in one of the European leagues, or he's done well in the Championship.
The latter, of course, would be ideal for West Ham.
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>> There are only two managers with a good track record in the Premiership - Ferguson
>> and Wenger.
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>> To find a 'proven' manager you have to accept the proof from elsewhere - he's
>> won a bit in one of the European leagues, or he's done well in the
>> Championship.
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>> The latter, of course, would be ideal for West Ham.
If you mean McLaren, he has just been sacked for not doing well in one the European leagues.
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Zero
I did not post my earlier remarks in the hope that I might persuade you to alter your thinking about McLaren (after all you have a history of 'zero' tolerance to the thought of others) but my own assessment of ability in football management is not limited only to those who have 'won things'.
For the record McLaren won the League Cup with Middlesborough in 2004 and the Eredivisie with Twente Enschede in 2010.
This compares favourably with other current Premier League managers who are hardly looked upon (certainly not by me) as having 'histories of failure' such as:
David Moyes at Everton ( one promotion from Division 2 with Preston North End but 8 Manager of the Month awards in the Premier League)
Mark Hughes (nothing as a manager)
Steve Bruce (one Championship play off victory)
Ian Holloway (one play off victory with Blackpool last season).
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You agree with me then, a very short list. Two minor trophies. You missed out his recent sacking - the history of failure?
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When I saw the thread title, I thought this was related to the "Woman’s sex with five boys seen from train" thread.
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I never dissed any of those names
Moyes - done well to keep Everton in the upper/middle layers of the Premiership, with Limited budget.
Hughes - not failed at anything but unfairly treated by owners.
Bruce - know how to motivate a team and done well to keep sunderland up
Holloway? - not worth a mention.
The first three would do a good job at west ham.
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>> Bruce - know how to motivate a team and done well to keep sunderland up
Especially when Bent went to Aston Villa with little notice so they've been a striker down.
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I don't know what 'dissed' means but I return to your earlier statement that McLaren has a history of failure which you backed up by asking what he had won, inferring that a manager who does not win many major trophies is a failure – a statement with which I disagree. You state that 'I agree with you then, a very short list' and, in doing so, confirm my premise that a list of trophies won is not, by itself, a requirement not to be considered to have a history of failure.
Your rhetorical question re McLaren's lack of substantial trophies (incidentally, I consider the Dutch First Division to be a substantial trophy but that's another argument) could also be applied to Moyes, Hughes and Bruce – none of whom would I describe as failures - and, perversely, neither would you appear to either.
By your own definition McLaren is more successful than Moyes, Hughes and Bruce and yet any one of these three would apparently make a good manager of West Ham and McLaren wouldn't. Strange thinking.
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Some say a manager capable of gaining promotion from the Championship will not do well in the Premier League.
Follow that thinking, and West Ham should be looking for two managers, one for next season, and one for the season after.
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>> Some say a manager capable of gaining promotion from the Championship will not do well
>> in the Premier League.
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>> Follow that thinking, and West Ham should be looking for two managers, one for next
>> season, and one for the season after.
That has merit, and it matches the "one manager per season" thinking that west ham have developed.
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>> By your own definition McLaren is more successful than Moyes, Hughes and Bruce and yet
>> any one of these three would apparently make a good manager of West Ham and
>> McLaren wouldn't. Strange thinking.
Not at all, McLaren, despite your refusal to admit to his last sacking - you do know he was sacked? for failure? England and Wolfsburg? - has a history of failure. You seem to be in denial. Noting wrong with my thinking.
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"Noting wrong with my thinking"
Of course not.
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>> "Noting wrong with my thinking"
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>> Of course not.
Obsolutely, are you a West Ham fan SH?
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Being by choice, a complete football ignoramus, I feel I must ask the question. Last night's match between Swansea and Notts Forest - The "Swans" scored a peach of goal to win near the end of the match, thus ensuring their place in Wembly for some trophy or other. What worried me, the Forest goalie was at the other end of the pitch gloves and all - he seemed to be playing in some "forward" role, but that seems rather a daft idea leaving an open goal at the other end. Why ?
Edit.
Found a clip on YouTube.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ellH9AJ1E&NR=1
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The goalkeeper is usually the tallest guy on the field. If you are a goal down & losing late in injury time, your only lifeline is to score an equalising goal, so sending your biggest guy up to try and score from a ball in the air makes desperate sense.
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Thanks Zero - as I say I can spot skill when I see it but know nothing of the sport. Apparently the Swans had Leon Britton playing for them as well, often wondered what happened to him - suppose it pays better than politics.. :-)
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...often wondered what happened to him...
He's now Baron Spennithorne, which is a small village a few miles from the caravan in leafy North Yorkshire.
He has a home there, and is sometimes seen round and about.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Brittan
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>> goal, so sending your biggest guy up to try and score from a ball in
>> the air makes desperate sense.
...and sometimes it works:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dut-uGCO-8
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Getting out of the Championship is the least of West Ham's worries. Sooner or later football's debt crisis is going to come home to roost with a big club going to the wall and the Hammers are in as bad or worse position than anybody.
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Don't know much about who might be going down, but I would like Reading to go up - they're through to the play-off final. Last time they got promoted to the Premiership in 2006 I took my son (9 at the time) into town to catch a glimpse of the team on the celebration bus as they trundled around. Only managed to stay for 2 seasons though.
Couldn't call myself a 'supporter' - only been to watch them play once. Would like to go more often, but no one else in the family would, and can't really justify the expense.
An alternative view of the relegation battle:
www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/brian-sewell%27s-guide-to-the-relegation-battle-201105193838/
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I don't know if anybody else follows The Secret Footballer in the Guardian, but this is a great article -
www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/21/premier-league-relegation-secret-footballer
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Looks like Wimbledon AFC are going up to the Football League:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/13418508.stm
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Still the relegation battle for the Premiership tomorrow. West Ham down but who will be the other two. I would like to see Wigan stay up (we can visit there as away fans again) and I'd like to think Blackpool deserve something after a good start. But I assume Man Utd will field a decent team including the likes of Berbatov, Rooney (asking too much?), Giggs and Scholes. The latter two I hope stay on next season. Assuming nothing else is distracting the players I mention.
Edit: assume also Van der Sar will play his last game in goal for Utd.
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...likes of Berbatov, Rooney (asking too much?), Giggs and Scholes. The latter two I hope stay on next season. Assuming nothing else is distracting the players I mention...
Michael Vaughan did a pally-pally nicey-nicey interview with Giggs on Football Focus yesterday morning:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/default.stm
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Who is going down? - Robin O'Reliant
