Had a leaflet through for them today, seemed entirely sensible stuff on a local level, but ive never heard of them - any opinions on their politics rather than chances of being elected, I dont know a thing about them?
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Or is Democrat Limey for Republican? Just a thought.
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Another splinter faction designed to split the nationalist vote and keep the three stooges in place.
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>> What nationalist vote?
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The votes of those who don't wish to be part of the euro master state, heaven forbid actually putting our country first (and minding our own business in the wider world), that would be a serious block of votes, if not a complete majority then certainly capable of holding the balance of power.
The three stooges or rather those that own them will never allow that to happen, and why they won't allow PR or any other system where the votes of the people would make a difference....the farce that is the current govt of the day will be and is being used as a reason why PR wouldn't work, they don't want the nice little earner applecart upset.
Academic really as it's all over bar the shouting anyway.
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"or rather those that own them will never allow that to happen, and why they won't allow PR or any other system where the votes of the people would make a difference"
Ah yes - I forgot its all a conspiracy and a mysterious group known as "They" really run the country. Wish "'They" they were better at it.
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...they don't want the nice little earner applecart upset...
Hardly a startling observation.
I wouldn't vote for a government that wasn't desperate to hang on to power.
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>> Trather those that own them
>> and why they won't allow
>>they don't want
they = anyone else who isn't a member of the downtrodden poor working class ?
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>> they = anyone else who isn't a member of the downtrodden poor working class ?
You really don't get it do you.
As you've made it personal,
I am working class ...i get out of bed and go to work, i am not downtrodden, i am not poor, the reason i am not poor is that i have worked my socks off for all of my working life.
Any other jibes you'd like to make.
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Ive read their website, thanks for the link, but are they worth a vote ( the polices locally are sound - restoring weekly bin collections, an attempt to tackle 'non-jobs', free town centre car parking and free meals on wheels ) knowing that the candidate is unlikely to win?
Ive read the Labour and Conservative leaflets and both are rather pompous and somewhat patronising ( Liberals apprently dont think Im even worth a leaflet so they loose for being lazy ) as half their promises seem to be claiming they are going to do what I would expect any local councillor to do as part of their job, so the fact they feel the need to boast about it suggests they dont intend doing much at all other than maintain the status quo.
Im torn because Id like to vote for the best candidate, but do I do that knowing the vote has little merit regarding the outcome which is likely another Conservative majority of crushing proportions?
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". . . are they worth a vote ( the polices locally are sound - ... ) knowing that the candidate is unlikely to win?"
If you agree with their policies, yes.
"I'm torn because Id like to vote for the best candidate, but do I do that knowing the vote has little merit regarding the outcome which is likely another Conservative majority of crushing proportions?"
If there is a candidate that you believe in, then vote for him or her.
OK, there are times when the candidate that you would like to vote hasn't a chance of winning, and one feels obliged to vote for another candidate in order to keep somebody else out, but that's the way the system works.
Of course, if we had the Alternative Vote, we wouldn't face that problem. :-)
(By the way, I have now had the No2AV leaflets through the door, and have read them with complete disbelief. I've never seen such utter nonsense in a political leaflet in my life.)
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Gary Bushell's party. Enough said.
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>> Gary Bushell's party. Enough said.
Yuck.
I 'read' the Sun recently. I was in a Chinese take away. It reminds me of Hitler. He used to shout a lot. The Sun shouts a lot. This is what we think. Do likewise. Quite how people tolerate such a pompous arrogant dictatorial 'newspaper' is beyond me.
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...Quite how people tolerate such a pompous arrogant dictatorial 'newspaper' is beyond me...
Britain's biggest selling daily newspaper.
Lots and lots of good, well-written stories in The Sun, which its readers who are not trying to be too clever recognise.
...This is what we think. Do likewise....
Leif,
You have spectacularly missed the point.
"This is what we think you think, which we know will play well with you, because everyone likes to have their point of view reinforced."
Hence, Britain's biggest selling daily newspaper.
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>> OK, there are times when the candidate that you would like to vote hasn't a
>> chance of winning, and one feels obliged to vote for another candidate in order to
>> keep somebody else out, but that's the way the system works.
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>> Of course, if we had the Alternative Vote, we wouldn't face that problem. :-)
Exactly, but I doubt that AV will get in. I rather like AV. It allows is to vote for who we want, and yet still vote for who we can accept if our first choice is not popular. It would prevent UKIP from splitting the Tory vote.
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Id rather PR, AV is just a compromise and on something this important, I dont want compromises offered, I want all the choices on the table. Lib Dems are gutless for not going for gold on this but then they are finished now anyway.
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>> Exactly, but I doubt that AV will get in. I rather like AV. It allows
>> is to vote for who we want, and yet still vote for who we can
>> accept if our first choice is not popular. It would prevent UKIP from splitting the
>> Tory vote.
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No.... AV would possibly give us a winner that nobody really wants...at the moment we get a party that is 1st choice of more voters than the runner up parties, AV would give you a winner from the majority's 2nd or 3rd choice.
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"No.... AV would possibly give us a winner that nobody really wants."
FPTP also gives us winners that nobody really wants. They may vote for them, but they don't really want them!
FPTP is fine if there are only a couple of candidates. But we don't have a two party system. In Scotland and Wales we have a four party system, and even in England minor party candidates and independents occasionally win seats.
In other words, there is no reason in principle why there shouldn't be situations under FPTP where a candidate is elected with only 20% of the vote . . . or even 10 or 15%. There is, IMHO, something seriously wrong with a system where someone can be elected even if 80 or 90% of the voters vote against him.
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English Democrats - who are they? - bathtub tom
