Various BBC departments are moving to Salford in another brilliant move by the BBC. Sport, Radio 5 Live, Breakfast, Schools and a few others are moving to Salford.
More than 50% of the staff have said "thanks, but no thanks". Staff were given until the 31st March to accept the BBC offer (as we are paying for it, strictly speaking, that should be our offer).
A drinks party was held on the 31st called "Salford or ---- (think of a four letter word beginning with f) it"
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Good, how does it end the bias if most the workers are from London anyway?
It will force the BBC to find new talent and there is plenty of it in the area.
I would say the Daily Mail have not helped though, them showing pictures of bleak parts of Salford but not the leafy suburbs where most the mediacity workers will probably end up working.
I live in South Manchester but I am only 15 minutes away from media city by push bike. In fact from my house to media city all the pavements are now shared usage so it is possible to cylce to there without using the road.
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What Bias?
There is no Bias, just an Northern Inferiority complex and paranoia.
There is some news based on London because that where the Government is, if you hadn't noticed.
I am really sure that the rest of the staff who are moving are really happy they can cycle to your place in 15 minutes.
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>> There is some news based on London because that where the Government is, if you
>> hadn't noticed.
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Just another subsidy for the south east. The whole lot should be dispersed around the country.
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It is,
yours is at Holyrood. We in the South East of England subsidise it for you.
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>> yours is at Holyrood. We in the South East of England subsidise it for you.
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Don't you all get free prescriptions? :-)
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I hope your free pills choke you! :-p
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>> >> There is some news based on London because that where the Government is, if
>> you hadn't noticed.
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>> Just another subsidy for the south east. The whole lot should be dispersed around the
>> country.
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Good idea, we don't want the lying, thieving toe rags......
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"More than 50% of the staff have said "thanks, but no thanks"."
I'm from Salford and that's exactly what I'd have said. Wild horses wouldn't drag me back there.
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Even if Salford was exactly the same as London, people grow roots - moving isn't just about changing houses. Otherwise we'd have moved from Reading where we live to Bath where I work years ago and saved ~£300 a month in train fares.
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I lived in Salford for 3 years, a grim place with no redeeming features whatsoever. An employer would have to give me a huge amount of money to persuade me to move back there. There are some nice places in the North of England, but Salford is definitely not one of them.
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Mostly a dump !
No City Centre, just a grotty turd infested mall of sorts frquented by low life and swamp-donkeys.
I don't go there much but I covered the City in my breakdown days. Apart from the odd retail park, I don't really know if there are any decent shops or national chains around..
Fortunately Media City is fairly close to the boundary with Trafford, only less than a mile itself from South Manchester. They won't see the real Salford on their trip to work from Chorlton, Didsbury, Altrincham, Wilmslow and Heaton Moor.
There are nice bits of Salford but they've only been incorporated into the metropolitan district of Saford...Worsley, etc.
A once proud city, incorporated around 1360, I think.
Media City and the BBC won't do anything for it.....they'll all be in Manchester at House of Fraser, Selfridges et al.
Ted
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tinyurl.com/3h26oog
What passes for the city centre...plenty of shops selling steel shutters !
Have a scroll round while it's not raining !
Ted
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>> What passes for the city centre...plenty of shops selling steel shutters !
>> Have a scroll round while it's not raining !
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>> Ted
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What a hole.
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>> What a hole.
Blimey, it really is a hole. It almost makes Luton seem nice.
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>> They won't see the real Salford on their trip to work from Chorlton, Didsbury, Altrincham, Wilmslow and Heaton Moor.
Exactly. They might work in Salford but won't be expected to live there. I could get a train from my local station and then the tram to Media City :-) There's some good schools near me too...
I can see a lot being happy to work in the BBC Media City location, live in say Didsbury and send their children to Manchester Grammer school (for boys) or the equivalent for girls (name escapes me but it's near the Toast Rack in Fallowfield too).
I assume they will pay the existing staff their current salaries in the north or would they take a pay cut?
And if they are not then let them find new jobs and let some new talent have a go. Just don't expect them to spend ANY time in Salford apart from work! :-)
I wonder if they will dig up the time capsules and buried pets when they move Blue Peter ;-)
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Taking a show like 'Breakfast' on BBC1, surely the BBC won't have overlooked the fact that politicians and the like won't travel to Salford for interviews?
I would imagine that most of the BBC staff that have refused to travel to t'north have been put off by the thought that Rattly can get there in 15 minutes!
;-)
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:-)
See he offers an excellent service fixing computers. And that Panda can be fast ;-)
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I hear that more than 50% of Salford residents said "thanks, but no thanks". It would only lower the tone of the neighbourhood. ;)
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Salford council have just trod on their own genitalia !
The main route into the city, and thence into Manchester, is the A6 from the west.
Before it hits the city, at Irlams o'the Heights, three major roads come together, the A580 East Lancs Road, the A666 from Bolton and the A6 between them from Westhoughton.
All combine to form a dual carriageway. Jampacked in the morning rush hour.
At the Crescent, part of the road is cantilevered out over the river Irwell to give an extra lane.
So, being a pretty spot to attract tourists (hahaha) they've decided to make it into a pedestrian boulevard and reduce the road to one lane !
The outcry from motorists has to been really something in the papers !
A stroll down the Champs du Pendleton, anyone ?
Ted
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Sounds really stupid. This isn't why there's been roadworks. My wife had seen news of roadworks around Salford last week and we went to see King Lear at the Lowry. She thought we might get held up. We weren't. Long play though.
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i have had to live in some right turd holes in my working life but even i would have said no to selfharm sorry soulford anyway that place in lank shire
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But who said anyone had to live there BB? Not the BBC. Some nice areas in commutable distance. Some by train. I can see my house value going up some because of this.
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Me too, 'cept I won't be selling. A direct tram link to Media City from 100yds from me front door !
Ted
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Wogan mark 2? :-) Any Irish links in your family?
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No, never owned a golf course, Ireland or anywhere.
Ted
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>>Various BBC departments are moving to Salford in another brilliant move by the BBC. Sport, Radio 5 Live, Breakfast, Schools and a few others are moving to Salford.>>
It's hardly news. The circumstances have been known for two or three years at least.
It could well focus the minds of the southerners that there IS life north of Watford and, more importantly, a more relaxed and enjoyable version...:-)
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I might be classed as biased but the ones that move (or replace the ones that don't).... might just have a good quality of life. Perhaps better than they had.
But moving family is very difficult when settled/established.
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That's very true, Rob, what about being forced to move or lose your job, If say, you have elderley parents nearby in London or girl/boyfriends who have good jobs which they don't want to give up.
So many different situations to consider.
Going to bed........'ad enuff 4 now..( note the txtspk )
Ted
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I was in a posh part of Salford a few weeks ago as a send off for one of my mates who has joined the RAF for IT support. It was full of chavs and it wasn't long before the police turned up and escorted all the skinheads out of the pub.
I live in Chorlton and have never seen anything like that here although to fair I avoid any of the pubs which show live sport.
There are actually some nice parts of inner Salford, Salford Quays where Media city is quite picture-esque in an innercity sort of way but it is not suburban leafy living. The press have mentioned Salford too much without mentioning all the leafy areas close by as Ted as mentioned. In the areas Ted has mentioned you won't found many terrace houses for less than £200k which is well above the UK average if you exclude London.
I do believe though the reason staff have removed is nothing with not want to live in an a crummy area more do wanting up root their families.
As for government in the mid 1850's Manchester and Salford made far more money for Great Britain than London did at the time and they very seriously considered making Manchester the capital city of the UK. Sadly by the 1950's the cotton trade decline and Manchester and Salford went down hill a lot and it has only recovered in the past 15 years. Of course the last government made much talk of moving a lot of government departments from Whitehall to Manchester but I doubt that will happen now.
What the BBC now has access to though is 130,000 potential graduates from universities within a 2.5 mile radius, what other city could offer that?
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...What the BBC now has access to though is 130,000 potential graduates from universities within a 2.5 mile radius...
Don't get me started on joke degrees that are not worth the paper they are written on.
Breakfast and 5Live will find it much harder to get live guests.
Sky News has that problem and they are only in Hanwell somewhere - six or seven miles from central London.
On t'other hand, communications are ever improving, so the need for guests to be sat opposite the presenter is not as great as it once was.
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>>>I was in a posh part of Salford a few weeks ago<<<
oxymorons are alive and well..... - but then I analysed the sentence in greater depth, and decided that Rats had only made a statement of relativity!
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>> the police turned up and escorted
>> all the skinheads out of the pub.
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I can't remember the last time I was asked to leave a pub and I have never been barred from a pub.
Am I a failure?
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Zero the thing about not getting guests into Manchester is a load of crap. If a celeb wants to push something they will happily spent 30 minutes in a private yet or two hours on the train to come up. Not everything is about the South East and that is partly the point of the move.,
PS When I wrote my last comment I had a few jars of the old beer.
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..the thing about not getting guests into Manchester is a load of crap.
Rattle,
It's not.
Sky can't get some guests to travel five or six miles outside London.
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Put them in a tv studio then, happens all the time.
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>> Put them in a tv studio then, happens all the time.
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It does, but.
It's difficult for the "guest": while sound is two way, the vision is often from guest to program studio only.
There's only a camera to look at and a grotty earpiece for questions.
No chance of reading the body language of the interviewee, or judging when to interrupt.
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>> No chance of reading the body language of the interviewee, or judging when to interrupt.
Even full two way duplex sound VC has that problem. One of the reasons it's not worked well when the courts have tried to take evidence remotely.
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Duncan said:
>> What the BBC now has access to though is 130,000 potential graduates from universities within
>> a 2.5 mile radius, what other city could offer that?
Errr, London perhaps?
I think it is having to move several hundred miles, and leve behind friends and family that is the issue, not Salford per se, although for some people London is unequaled for its concerts, museums, art galleries, posh cafes, China Town, Southall, Green Lanes etc.
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>> Duncan said:
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>> >> What the BBC now has access to though is 130,000 potential graduates from universities>> within>> >> a 2.5 mile radius, what other city could offer that?
Er, no, I didn't say that at all.
I think you will find that it was our young rattly friend that said it in response to my original post.
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...I think you will find that it was our young rattly friend that said it in response to my original post...
Perhaps you need a degree to read a C4P thread accurately.
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>> >> Duncan said:
>> Er, no, I didn't say that at all.
Mea culpa, it was indeed RattleAndSmoke. Ahem. Cough cough.
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>> It could well focus the minds of the southerners that there IS life north of
>> Watford and, more importantly, a more relaxed and enjoyable version...:-)
Indeed there is, but its not Manchester.
Or Leeds, Or Liverpool, or Shefield, , ,
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> very seriously considered making Manchester the capital city of the UK
Good lord rats, if that's the result of a Manchester education, no wonder the BBC guys don't want their kids educate there!
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I understand that a few of the presenters aren't going, good I say might start watching the breakfast show again :-)
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>> >>Various BBC departments are moving to Salford in another brilliant move by the BBC. Sport,
>> Radio 5 Live, Breakfast, Schools and a few others are moving to Salford.>>
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>> It's hardly news. The circumstances have been known for two or three years at least.
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>> It could well focus the minds of the southerners that there IS life north of
>> Watford and, more importantly, a more relaxed and enjoyable version...:-)
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The North...that Cold Grey Place...and ale like pea (sic)
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When my employer moved, very few of the staff went to the new location. A lot of people just don't like moving house.
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I believe they have been offered very good incentives though. I was just walking down Beech Road before and it really does have that trendy London suburb feeling about it.
My comment about the capital city wasn't quite correct but the government did consider moving a lot of parliament operations to Manchester. At the time Manchester was more important to the UK commerce than London was because the cotton trade was simply massive. Even now in the city centre there are 100's of old Victorian warehouse buildings left over as a legacy.
Manchester even had a Bank of England which still functions today but now has a much less important role than it did.
It is only really since the second world war that Manchester really started to decline and that decline didn't end until the late 1990's, we haven't looked back since.
The media city complex can only improve things and people forget that the BBC is just one part of what will go on there.
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RattleAndSmoke, not Duncan ;), said:
>> The media city complex can only improve things and people forget that the BBC is
>> just one part of what will go on there.
Too true. I wonder if investment can rejuvenate an area? It is curious that so much wealth generation goes on in the south east. I imagine someone from the south would have a nice wodge after selling their 2 bedroom flat in London, and could afford a large house with land 'ooop north'. Well, I exaggerate, but not by much. And the countryside must be really lovely round Manchester. North Wales, Lake District, Morecombe Bay, the Peak District, all not far away. Cheaper housing, cheaper living. It could appeal. But some of us have images of miles and miles of back to backs, the Coronation St. and Hovis theme tunes taking turns in the background, loads of poorly educated people, most unemployed, druggies shooting up in door ways, nascent Al Qaida cells plotting in dark corners. And then there are the downsides ...
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loads of poorly educated people, most unemployed, druggies shooting up in door ways, nascent Al Qaida cells plotting in dark corners.
Plenty of that in London, no need to go north to see that ;-)
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>>I imagine someone from the south would have a nice wodge after selling their 2 bedroom flat in London, and could afford a large house with land 'ooop north'. Well, I exaggerate, but not by much.>>
You don't exaggerate. The seaside resort where I live has many people who lived in the south, retired, sold up, bought a flat or apartment here for a fraction of the proceeds and live off the interest of the remaining amount.
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Leif, I live in one of the areas Ted mentioned. Easy public transport links to Manchester and onwards, good schools and the Peak District is 20 minutes away when roads are flowing. Lake District is about 1.5 hours. Manchester also has a lot going for it.
But I can see why some won't venture from London. Their loss ;-)
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The real problem is having to relocate TO London.
A lot of people have a nice house in the leafy suburbs of the town where they work, and a relatively painless commute to their job.
When they get to London, on a level move, all they can afford is a much smaller property (maybe VERY much smaller), and a commute which is longer and less pleasant, even though Public Transport has improved a little in recent years.
If my company offered to relocate to Salford from London, I'd take the chance like a shot. Lots of very nice places to live in the vicinity, and I would get a nicer house.
Would I miss my relatives, though? Err.....No. :-)
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>> If my company offered to relocate to Salford from London, I'd take the chance like
>> a shot. Lots of very nice places to live in the vicinity, and I would
>> get a nicer house.
However, once there, your chances for promotion are much lower in the northern branch of ACME Inc, and if you do get it with the chance to earn more money and pension you might have to relocate back down to ACME head office, whereby you suddenly find you have no equity in your house and cant afford a nice house in the southern burbs.
Only move north when you are finished with the world of work.
>> Would I miss my relatives, though? Err.....No. :-)
tho as you say, there are some advantages in getting out early!
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>> However, once there, your chances for promotion are much lower in the northern branch of
>> ACME Inc, and if you do get it with the chance to earn more money
>> and pension you might have to relocate back down to ACME head office, whereby you
>> suddenly find you have no equity in your house and cant afford a nice house
>> in the southern burbs.
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>> Only move north when you are finished with the world of work.
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Yes - that is very wise advice, and younger folk should heed it.
In my own personal circumstances, though, since I am only a few years off retirement, the timing right now would suit me nicely!
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There is plenty of opportunities for promotion in the media world though. Manchester was the UK's second city for producing media even before Media city. I realise that promotion within the BBC might be limited but this could just be the start.
There is no reason everything has to be London centric and hopefully the UK can become more like Germany where different cities have different functions e.g Frankfurt.
For the vast majority of the workers there will plenty of scope for promotion in Manchester, it is only the higher executives who may find promotion prospects limited.
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>> For the vast majority of the workers there will plenty of scope for promotion in
>> Manchester, it is only the higher executives who may find promotion prospects limited.
Ratts, anyone with a good job and house in the south east would be barking mad to migrate north while they still have work down here.
That's why we don't do it. Or want to.
And like it or not, the media is London centric.,
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But that can change or at least even out a bit. For most workers though, the average guys (the IT support workers, the technicians, the electricians etc) all the behind the scenes stuff the move makes a lot of sense. You can simply have a far better quality of life here on the same salary.
On a more managerial level you do have a point but you only need to look at places like Hale and see all the £2m+ houses to realise there are a lot of top jobs here.
Also if sell your London flat for £250k and buy a house here for £250k if you need to move back to London you could always sell the house in Manchester and buy another tiny flat in London for the same price.
People are too wrapped up about presenters and producers and forget all the work which goes on behind the scenes.
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>> But that can change or at least even out a bit. For most workers though,
>> the average guys (the IT support workers,
Rats, you really have little idea about real life, or the world of work.
For it guys, the high paid work is in London. The salary you can get for IT work in London banks is enormous. Even if you cant grab the big money, all the IT jobs are down here.
The proof is, how many of us do you see or hear about moving up there.
Not many. Only in desperation. The fact that the BBC guys wont move at all says it all.
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A have a lot of mates from London. My dad is one such person he moved form Fulham to Manchester in the early 70's and hasn't looked back.
Especially in the area I live hardly anybody is actually from Manchester and even if you do get a much higher salary the cost of living is so much higher too.
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>> A have a lot of mates from London. My dad is one such person he
>> moved form Fulham to Manchester in the early 70's and hasn't looked back.
He has no decent pension, has a beat up car, and you need to keep funding him and your family.
I wouldn't call that not looking back.
Take yourself, you are barely scraping a living whereby if you moved down here you could cop yourself a 30k a year job easy peasy.
Sorry to be so brutal but you do live in a strange dream world at times.
Edit: Times are getting tough, public sector jobs are going, at this period in history, Manchester and the North is NOT the place to be.
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>> Sorry to be so brutal but you do live in a strange dream world at
>> times.
Phew! You don't pull any punches zero.
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>> >> Sorry to be so brutal but you do live in a strange dream world
>> at
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>> Phew! You don't pull any punches zero.
I know it sounds that way, but I am not being deliberately nasty or unfair or telling lies.
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If that was true then I would consider it but nothing is ever that simple and I am sure the same job would exist here, even if it would pay just £22k the cost of living would make up the difference.
My dads got a job now (at least for this year) and his situation would have probably happened if he was in London. He does have a decent pension (but had to retire in his mid 40's) and he did have a decent senior level job in the public sector.
He also nearly owns his own house which is worth nearly £240k so it is not like he is living in a rented council flat in Cheetham Hill. We have had some serious financial difficulties over the past few years but it has nothing to with where we live.
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>> He also nearly owns his own house which is worth nearly £240k so it is
>> not like he is living in a rented council flat in Cheetham Hill. We have
>> had some serious financial difficulties over the past few years but it has nothing to
>> with where we live.
Down here he would have had a house worth nearly 340k, that he could sell, move up there, and put 100k in the bank. Now do you see where I am coming from?
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But the house would have been more expensive in the first place so the reality is he would probably just have a flat to sell.
I do know what you're getting at but house prices seem to be rising or staying the same at the same level in both Manchester and London it is not as if prices are rising much faster in London.
Who knows my dad may have been better of staying in London but I would not have been born if he did!
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About 50% are moving. So someone likes Salford :-)
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>> But that can change or at least even out a bit. For most workers though,
>> the average guys (the IT support workers, the technicians, the electricians etc) all the behind
>> the scenes stuff the move makes a lot of sense. You can simply have a
>> far better quality of life here on the same salary.
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>> On a more managerial level you do have a point but you only need to
>> look at places like Hale and see all the £2m+ houses to realise there are
>> a lot of top jobs here. DEBTS.
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>> Also if sell your London flat for £250k and buy a house here for £250k
>> if you need to move back to London you could always sell the house in
>> Manchester and buy another tiny flat in London for the same price.
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>> People are too wrapped up about presenters and producers and forget all the work which
>> goes on behind the scenes.
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Get a life Rats for heavens sake.
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>> Only move north when you are finished with the world of work.
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He needs to be listened to although it pains me to say.
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"and live off the interest of the remaining amount."
you need to have sold a decent house as you need around a £1 million to provide enough interest on the capital to provide a reasonable income to live on at current rates
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I think people are being unfair on Salford here. The link which Ted posted ins't really Salford City centre as such the area is Pendtleton which is the main shopping area for the main city of Salford. Most of that part of Salford shares its city centre with Manchester though.
About one quarter of Manchester city centre is actually in the City of Salford and that will only increase because of the chapel street generation.
There is a shopping centre in Salford Quays too and the media city complex will gain its own shops.
This is what it will look like when Mediacity is all complete.
www.salford.gov.uk/i/mediacityuk-panorama.jpg
www.tate.org.uk/images/cms/22614w_hatherley_14.jpg
www.tate.org.uk/images/cms/22615w_hatherley_14_2.jpg
www.mediacityuk.co.uk/
I will try and post some pictures of this week of the Salford I know. I went to university there and I feel that Salford in general gets an unfair poor reputation. The city has moved on so much since the Smiths videos which were often filmed in the area.
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Rattie, those attractive looking links are artists impressions, and about as believable as a politician.
I don't blame anyone not keen on moving if their job moves, but these are hard times and to keep a cushy well paid number with a tidy pension might be worth a bit of sacrifice.
If they think the grass is greener, a spell of real graft in the real world will soon disabuse them of that notion.
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As I said I will try and take some pictures in the week actually stuff that, I am not going out tonight so weather permitting I can go to Salford tomorrow and take some pictures :).
I might have to air brush the blue sky in though!!
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>> I think people are being unfair on Salford here.
You should know this song Rattle :)
And this London visitor had this to say
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvZ0S8FkcDc
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There is no reason why Media city workers will need to have anything to with Cheetham Hill though.
If I go to parts of Lambeth or the bad parts of Battersea I think what a dump.
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>> I think people are being unfair on Salford here. The link which Ted posted ins't
>> really Salford City centre as such the area is Pendtleton which is the main shopping
>> area for the main city of Salford. Most of that part of Salford shares its
>> city centre with Manchester though.
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Er, no...Ratto. Manchester City Centre ends at the River Irwell, cross any bridge into Salford and you will immediately come into a rundown, former commercial area with cheap businesses. Where are M & S, HMV, Starbucks, Waterstones, Selfridges, and all the banks and building societies when you cross the Bridge? Chapel Street, the A6, is mostly derelict.
How is it to be re-developed ? None of the big names will want to open there when there is a thriving, buoyant and cosmopolitan metropolis less than a mile away !
No dealers for BMW, Saab, Harley Davidson, MB, or anything that might cost money.
Ted
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Ted over the next five years they are completely developing the A6 they want to build shops/cafes etc from the university into the city centre. Salford will be very different in ten years time.
I think the idea is that the city centre is expanding outward. A lot of information on skyscraper city and the MEN about it all.
I think Peel also have a lot of plans for the parts of the banks of the Irwell which are derelict. I am not trying to be pro Salford here and I just laugh at Salfordian's if they try and claim it is a better city it just isn't as bad is it can look.
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If I'm still alive in 5 years and the A6 is a place anyone wants to go, I'll give you 10 bob, Rats.
Nobody lives in the area, apart from a couple of high rise slums and a few apartments on the river bank...you can bet the residents there do their shopping in King Street and St. Ann's Square....not anywhere in Salford.
It just won't happen...no profit in it !
The buildings along Chapel Street are time expired apart from a few office blocks.
Best thing they could do is demolish the lot and widen the road into Manchester.
No major employer is going to attract staff to an area like that unless they pay a lot and the rents are nothing.
Ted
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>> >>I imagine someone from the south would have a nice wodge after selling their 2
>> bedroom flat in London, and could afford a large house with land 'ooop north'. Well,
>> I exaggerate, but not by much.>>
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>> You don't exaggerate. The seaside resort where I live has many people who lived in
>> the south, retired, sold up, bought a flat or apartment here for a fraction of
>> the proceeds and live off the interest of the remaining amount.
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What interest??
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Just stick to the Daily Mail and I will stick to the Guardian :).
People are painting a picture of this really rosy picture of London which just isn't true. For the top people then maybe it is but the majority it isn't the case.
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Half are moving martin according to a report I read, so it's can't be all doom and gloom about their prospects.
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As I say tomorrow I will drive around Manchester and take some pictures of where these people might be living and also of Mediacity itself.
Parts of Salford are a dump but there is no reason you need to live there although one of my London mates is very happy living in Salford. He has a two bed terrace all to himself for less than the cost of a London bedsit.
I think we need to get back to friends and family though, the main reason I would never move out of Manchester. It has taken me a long time to find who I am in Manchester and could never move out for good.
I would happily move out for a year or so though and if I ended up with a good live there then I would move out of Manchester on a more permanent basis.
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RattleAndSmoke said:
>> People are painting a picture of this really rosy picture of London which just isn't
>> true. For the top people then maybe it is but the majority it isn't the
>> case.
I work in IT in the south east, and in 10 years I saved enough to buy a house that is far more expensive than the house my parents owned after 20 years of hard graft working in Leicester. There is good money to be made down here, not just by a small minority, but by a large minority. There is a reason many people commute from as far away as Liverpool, staying down here during the week. Move up north and work for Northern IT (or whoever) and you are stuffed, because there are not many companies, so if you get laid off, ooops. Down here people are changing jobs all the time to increase salary and/or prospects. It is not that hard to earn £70K+ per annum albeit on contracts.
I took a look at that Google street view, and I was really shocked by the huge expanse of really unpleasant looking blocks of flats. We have something like that down south, but it is usually a small area, a few streets, where you avoid living unless you want windows broken, and abuse from children. A colleague bought and sold such a house. His pregnant wife suffered verbal abuse from neighbours and they are the nicest people you could meet. There are estates like that in Leicester, where I grew up, and you avoid them unless you want to be abused and/or beaten up. There were some nice looking Victorian terraces and 30's semis in that Salford street view, so I guess there are some nice bits too, but the sheer number of awful streets, not for me.
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Leif, I think Rattle's point (and some others on here including me) is you don't have to live in Salford if you work there. In fact you probably don't want to ;-)
I can see why a lot won't move due to family, friends etc.
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As I say I am getting my camera out tomorrow and will be taking several pictures of areas well within the media city catchment area which are not full of blocks of flats or even urban landscape.
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>> Leif, I think Rattle's point (and some others on here including me) is you don't
>> have to live in Salford if you work there. In fact you probably don't want
>> to ;-)
Yes I can understand that you do not need to live in Salford, but what about shopping for example? The Google street view showed the Salford shopping centre. Or what about restaurants and other entertainment? I once lived in Luton. Godamn awful hole of a place. To be fair the Anglo Asians are nice, just poor, it's the white chavs who aren't nice.
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>> but what about shopping for example?
If you mean food shopping, Booth's is building a new supermarket in Media City. We like Booth's in the lake district but our nearest at Knutsford is a bit far. Media City is 15 minutes away by car (passed it last Saturday on the way to the Lowry to see Derek Jacobi in King Lear).
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well said Leif
unfortunately you will never edumakate those that wont listen
true in my day at school too truer today
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Bellboy said:
>> unfortunately you will never edumakate those that wont listen
My late mother, born in Bradford, gave me respect for edukamashun, may her soul rest in peace.
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at least you werent born in the cleckhuddersfeckstriangle
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>> at least you werent born in the cleckhuddersfeckstriangle
Oooh errr, where be that?
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>> >> at least you werent born in the cleckhuddersfeckstriangle
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>> Oooh errr, where be that?
>I think he means cleckhuddersfax, it's an area in west yorks between the aformentioned towns; Cleckheaton, Huddersfield and Halifax. It's a bit of a mickey take in that a few places have long names and they are welded together.
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Sotty123 said:
>> >I think he means cleckhuddersfax, it's an area in west yorks between the aformentioned towns;
>> Cleckheaton, Huddersfield and Halifax. It's a bit of a mickey take in that a few
>> places have long names and they are welded together.
Thanks, I figured out it was an amalgam, but I could only work out Huddersfield. Actually there are areas near Huddersfield which are really beautiful, rolling dales, and all that.
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I hope my pictures tomorrow will help clear things up tomorrow. I am taking them for my own benefit but will go a bit further afield for the benefit of people here who only have the Daily Mails view of things.
Nobody at Media city will need to got to Pendtleton, the city centre is actually only 12 minutes away by tram, the Trafford centre is 10 minute drive away and as Rob has pointed out there will be new shops at Media city itself.
There is no reason at all for anybody who works at Media city to have to use the Pendleton facilities.
I should also add the reason Salford has no real city centre is because Salford city is based next to Manchester city centre. In parts of the city centre when you think you're in Manchester you're actually in Salford.
The Spinningfield complex is a good example.
My pictures tomorrow will focus more on the residential side of things.
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I don't think anyone's knocking Salford, it's just that London may give some people in some jobs a better choice.
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>> I don't think anyone's knocking Salford, it's just that London may give some people in
>> some jobs a better choice.
Yeah, there are dives down south, like (parts of) Aldershot. The main issue is work.
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I am right in thinking that if they don't take the Salford jobs then they would have to re-apply for a new job in London?
And also lets get this perspective, it is only tiny part of the BBC which is moving. It is not like they are moving the Television centre there.
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>> And also lets get this perspective, it is only tiny part of the BBC which
>> is moving. It is not like they are moving the Television centre there.
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TC is shutting. The bits that remain in use are being replaced or bypassed as quickly as possible.
The IT support was outsourced years ago. Desktop stuff is currently handled in Manilla, for instance.
AFAIR, R&D was hived off to another company, and transmission is provided by others too.
There's very little "technical/behind the scenes" compared with that there was. But plenty of "management".
It's not the land of milk and honey any more, if it ever was...
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>> The Spinningfield complex is a good example.
I'll put that one down to the cheap Tesco beer.
Spinningfield is a street off Deansgate, alongside the Rylands library.
The whole ' complex ' including the new civil courts building, 'the Filing Cabinet ' is firmly on the East bank of the river...Manchester !
Ted
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Ted I thought some of it did expand beyond the river? Never actually been to that complex (I stay out of trouble) and I suppose even Castlefield which is often thought of as Salford is actually in Manchester too. In reality though anybody living in that part of Salford their city centre is Manchester.
No beer last night, just far too much coca-cola which can have the same effect.
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To give this a bump. So I think they've moved anyone notice any changes?
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>> I hope my pictures tomorrow will help clear things up tomorrow. I am taking them
>> for my own benefit but will go a bit further afield for the benefit of
>> people here who only have the Daily Mails view of things.
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>> My pictures tomorrow will focus more on the residential side of things.
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Where are they?
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All I remember about Salford is my visit to the Anchorage complex at the Quays about 6-7 years ago to see a client.
The Quays really are stunning, modern and clean. However, the client told me the problem they'd had a few years back when the security firm looking after the place fell out with the owner and didn't turn up one day. The scrotes from Salford literally walked in and helped themselves to the contents of the cars in the car park, and in a few cases the cars themselves.
Other than that, it seemed like any other dreary run down suburb outside the Quays area. Could have been London, Birmingham or any of a handful of other big cities.
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I stayed in a Holiday Inn (I think) just by Salford Quays a couple of years ago.
Looked OK, although one of the newish steakhouse/grill bars was already boarded-up.
The immediate surrounds are a tip - Basra with chip shops - as one former resident said.
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The areas around Salford Quays are rough but the media city effect will change that and push property prices up pricing out the riff raft.
Here are some pics I took on my old camera last December, it really is quite a stunning place and changed so much over the last couple of years.
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When the weather clear ups I will go back again this time with my tripod (so I can use slower shutter speeds) and my new camera which is much better in low light due to having a much bigger sensor.
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I stayed at the "Salford Quays" Travelodge a few weeks ago, here
www.radclyffepark.co.uk/
a stone's throw from where Anuj Bidve was murdered on Boxing Day last year, and a stroll across Trafford Road from Media City.
goo.gl/4tnAN (Anuj Bidve story, DT)
The Travelodge abuts the Morrisons, and a housing development. At the moment you would not want to walk in an easterly direction on your own.
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Some good night shots Rattle, reminds me of the 70's when I would think nothing of cycling to Trafalgar Sq. to shoot some crack of dawn time lapsed photos of the Square which included vehicle light paths, without the vehicles being in the scene, using a Pentax KM film camera mounted on a Slik tripod and air release.
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Son lived a year in Salford near the hospital.Last time I was there about fifteen years ago.A bit depressing at the time.
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BBC Staff Don't like Salford - RattleandSmoke
