Apparently I'm allowed an upgrade next month. I'm also allegedly now a "gold" user whatever that is on an O2 contract. Had two BlackBerry(s) in a row. (Somehow that didn't look right with the obvious plural)
Fancy a change rather than need one. What's the latest received wisdom on the phone to have and why ?
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What do you want the phone to do?
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Look Cool
Definitely iPhone..!
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>> Look Cool
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>> Definitely iPhone..!
Tick.
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>> >> Look Cool
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>> >> Definitely iPhone..!
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>> Tick.
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pfd. HTC Desire HD. Knocks the I-phone into the proverbial.
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your a bumpkin builder, what do you know.
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>> your a bumpkin builder, what do you know.
Thanks for the compliment o wise one!!
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iPhone Humph - I had Blackberry phones for years (I think about six in all) once you have an iPhone you won't want anything else. I have a friend who hasn't got my appetite for gadgetry and he has bought a iTouch and can see what the fuss is about ! The other Rob will be here in a minute to tell you that Android is the best system you can get - but for sheer sexiness and the shiny kit factor it has to be iPhone...:=)
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Oh, ok then. Hope I'd be able to work it.
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Wish I shared your confidence !
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We (wifey and I) just took a huge leap forward in mobile phone technology. I got a Blackberry Bold 9780 and she got an iPhone4.
There's no doubt about it, iPhone is cool and fun. However I'm glad I didn't get one too - the battery life is appalling and it really does have issues with calls, both of which are pretty fundamental for a mobile phone.
ETA - I do think I probably should have gone for the slightly wider Blackberry model (is it the 9000?). I tried one after buying mine and the keyboard is much easier to use than the slightly narrower 9780.
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>> There's no doubt about it, iPhone is cool and fun. However I'm glad I didn't
>> get one too - the battery life is appalling and it really does have issues
>> with calls, both of which are pretty fundamental for a mobile phone.
The issues with calls is resolved by a bumper, and I last charged mine on Thursday. It still has 40%
My son dumped his HTC Desire android, as the battery life was about 8 hours.
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>> The issues with calls is resolved by a bumper, and I last charged mine on
>> Thursday. It still has 40%
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The kids have given up ring Mum's iPhone if we're at home - it just goes straight to answerphone. Whereas the Blackberry rings no problem. Both 02 with ggod signal.
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>> There's no doubt about it, iPhone is cool and fun. However I'm glad I didn't
>> get one too - the battery life is appalling and it really does have issues
>> with calls, both of which are pretty fundamental for a mobile phone.
Noooo don't say that .... last time I said something like that I nearly got lynched!
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Our place was all blackberries for ages, now i'd say it's 50/50 with iPhones.
Pulled some stats a wee while back. Random info that might help you sleep tonight... :-)
iPhone users send less email but, they receive more email.
iPhone users make more phone calls.
iPhone users make way more use of corporate websites / webapps.
Cant remember the other conclusions but i think i've cracked the reasons for each of these:
iPhones are crap to type on, and Blackberry users don't understand how exchange rules affect BES integration.
iPhones are pose gadgets, bb's cringe gadgets.
iPhone users are skivers :-)
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You buy a protector that goes round the edge. Its called a bumper.
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I've got a Sony Ericsson Xperia X10i, it is Android and is pretty cool, the battery life is fine and is great for email and internet both on the move and at home logged onto the wifi router.
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Oh right ok. How does that help it to make and receive calls then? Or are you winding me up? Wouldn't be hard to do so mind !
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Oh and you can make calls ... and receive them too!
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Sorry Cheddar crossed posts. I was replying to Zero's bumper explanation.
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>> Sorry Cheddar crossed posts. I was replying to Zero's bumper explanation.
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No problem, dont listen to him tho, he thinks a Mits Lancer is cool ;-)
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Good point Cheddar. Bit worried now.
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Until the looks are ruined by a bumper... :-)
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>> Until the looks are ruined by a bumper... :-)
A fashion accessory, Humph knows all about them
store.apple.com/uk/product/APPLE_IPHONE_BUMPERS-104238?mco=MTM3NDk2Mzk
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Cheddar, you had a choice of 1 imposed on you by your company.
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>> Cheddar, you had a choice of 1 imposed on you by your company.
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Yeah and you had infinite choice and chose a Lancer ;-)
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The Lancer was a rational choice,
Humph is far from rational....
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>> >> Sorry Cheddar crossed posts. I was replying to Zero's bumper explanation.
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>> No problem, dont listen to him tho, he thinks a Mits Lancer is cool ;-)
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NOT as cool as a Colt AMT though.
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Look stop asking questions.
I asked you what you wanted from a phone, and you just wanted it to look cool.
Only the Iphone 4 looks cool.
You changing your mind now?
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No, that's fine. Cool is good. Ta.
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IIRC a design fault..sorry, I mean feature, of the iPhone design is that the 'phone aerial is in the part of the case you hold, interfering with the signal.
The solution is to clip a chunk of plastic/rubber on to the phone, enhancing the slick Apple aesthetic no end ;-) This appears to be called a bumper!
Peter
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Thanks Peter. That's just silly though isn't it? You'd have thought they'd have figured that one out.. Still, if it looks good...
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>> Thanks Peter. That's just silly though isn't it? You'd have thought they'd have figured that
>> one out.. Still, if it looks good...
And you have a choice of bumper colour to match your dress, I mean shirt pocket.
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I think BES stands for Blackberry Enterprise Server, but that doesn't mean I know what it actually means ;-)
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None the wiser myself Peter.
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Aye Blackberry enterprise server. An extra expense over iphones if you're deploying BB's in your organisation.
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Still not sure what a BES is for though Skoda, which makes me think it wouldn't matter if I did as I don't seem to have needed one before. If you see what I mean....
:-)
I'm well clued up on bumpers now though. I'll find an opportunity to drop that into a conversation at work tomorrow in a casual / knowing sort of way.
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tinyurl.com/6xz4l2t for signal strength
iPhone vs Android
tinyurl.com/4pmc9yn
I had an iPhone for 7 months, battery wouldn't last a train journey from Munich to Cologne (about 4.5 hours) and signal was useless. I had to switch back to my Nokia 6230 for train journeys if I wanted anyone to contact me otherwise, the iPhone was perfect.
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Don't worry about BES it's only for business users - my personal Blackberry got on perfectly well without it.....No signal issues with my iPhone (it's in an Otterbox so I don't know whether that improves the signal) - battery lasts for a week with my use. The Blackberry one lasted two days and was an infernal nuisance as it always wanted charging just before I was about to do something or go somewhere. Blackberry phones are very last year.
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For Humph I wouldn't recommend Android because to get the best out of it you need to spend time tinkering a bit. But if he's happy how Apple forces you to use the iPhone I'd recommend that for him.
I'd suggest (if he's not familar with them) taking a look at someone or in a phone shop. Better still an Apple store. I know it's with O2 he'd be getting it.
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Thanks Rob. To be honest, I don't really mind what I have. Battery life and phone call signal strength / clarity are I suppose the most genuinely useful features. The rest is mainly for show. I do text occasionally and send or receive the odd email or photo on my phone but those are peripheral features for me. I'm kind of used to the BB keyboard now. I have a 9000 I think. At least that's what my car says it is when it pairs up with it. I still think that's kind of cool in its own right.
Might just get one of those "aye" phones because I can really. Wonder if they do an "Och Aye" for the Scottish market?
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It's not over yet. BBs are still big sellers and BB Messenger is very big in the US if I am to believe its adherents. Boy has an HTC Wildfire that suits him, especially as it works out about half the monthly cost of the Desire - unless you're watching videos and playing games it doesn't seem a problem, he's wirelessing away at the moment. Charges it very 2 days.
The trouble with iPhones, observing the addicts, is that you get sucked in to the whole Apple thing and when they bring something new out you have to have it;-)
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Some of us have an inner strength and can avoid all that Jobs Hype.
Alas, some have so little will power they cant give up smoking....
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I recently got an HTC Desire HD. I really like it and its as slick as an iphone, but importantly isn't an iphone.......I'm not one for being a sheep.
Colleagues who have iphones are impressed with mine, but the battery life is poor. I charge mine each night, but doubt with reasonable use it would go much longer than 48 hours.
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Ah well now then, I've discovered that I have the willpower to not smoke very much now. This is I feel a demonstration of ultimate self discipline. At least I don't have to spend any time in denial and can treat cigarettes as a treat over which I have control unlike those who know in their heart that if they were to smoke one they'd be back on them full time within a week.
At least that's what I tell myself anyway...
:-)
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I've had mobile phones since they came in briefcases. For me the golden age was round about the time when they switched from analogue to digital. Signal strength seemed much more reliable than before and the phones were just phones which seemed to address my needs very well. Since the addition of features allowing them to double as Goblin Teasmaids etc they have, in my humble view, gone backwards.
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Remember Humph they're not phones now... they're devices. I pretty well agree with your summary of the mobile phone peak... but I'd probably pitch it a few years later where they could slip in a back pocket of jeans and not mind being sat on.
In my opinion for anyone over 18 IPhones are as cool as a Saab convertible.
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True enough Fenlander. I think my favourite ever was a Motorola flip. As you say small enough to fit in your pocket and simple to use.
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In that case Humph, you need a very plain nokia that you can get for free, and cut your contract cost. A nice cheap plain nokia,
Very plain mind,
But thats what you need.
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Nope, not one bit. But its what you need,
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My Nokia 3110C makes great phone calls and it's cool...it's black.
Pat
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>> In my opinion for anyone over 18 IPhones are as cool as a Saab convertible.
You live in a swamp, what do you know.
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Actually, in the world of cool, the coolest phone for Gentlemen, is a second Hand Motorolla Razr V3 I.
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I've still got one somewhere.
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Phone badge snobs, sad, sad, people.
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>> Phone badge snobs, sad, sad, people.
Old Old Person.....
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>>>You live in a swamp, what do you know.
Not keen on the Saab convertible then?
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I'll sell you my Razer V3 - good phone, needs a new battery.
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Like I say, I've got one somewhere. Cracked screen though if I recall.
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Thats like having a Rolex with missing hands.
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Only the outer screen mind. Sharp though. Wouldn't fancy it in my front pocket. Maybe I'll just keep my BB and order whatever my son wants as an upgrade. I reckon BlackBerry(s) could become collectors items in due course too. You know the sort of, "so uncool it's actually cool" thing...
:-)
Oh I dunno.
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I've just got a Nokia 5230 on a free upgrade. I was a bit wary about a touch screen instead of a keypad, but it is brilliant with a full QWERTY keyboard so no faffing about trying to remember what button you press to get punctuation marks, numbers etc.
I'm just waiting for the micro USB lead from Amazon so I can download the maps and have the free satnav function. Not that I go anywhere different, but it's "stuff" so I desperately want it.
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>> I've just got a Nokia 5230 on a free upgrade. I was a bit wary
>> about a touch screen instead of a keypad, but it is brilliant with a full
>> QWERTY keyboard so no faffing about trying to remember what button you press to get
>> punctuation marks, numbers etc.
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>> I'm just waiting for the micro USB lead from Amazon so I can download the
>> maps and have the free satnav function. Not that I go anywhere different, but it's
>> "stuff" so I desperately want it.
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Good phone, my brother has one.
I have the 5800, similar but more toys.
Does all I want it to, loads of apps available (many free) and has good signal almost everywhere... more places than my daughters BB, or my old sony Ericsson.
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>> "so uncool it's actually cool" thing...
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Yes Humph, of course your right, you keep your BB. Its a very plain founctional phone, just what you need.
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I know you're kidding but actually I do like its querty keyboard for the odd text or email I send.
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there you go then, decision made.
Keep the old plain functional phone.
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But is it cool....
Joking !
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Matters not. Its the rational choice, you have what you need. Stick with it.
All you colleagues, friends and contacts will appreciate it, and you, for what it is and what it stands for. Sensible, rational, dependable.
Good choice.
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>> Signal strength seemed much more reliable than before and the phones were just phones
The problem with phone signal and battery life these days is called 3G/UMTS. The signal strength is often much weaker and therefore the phone uses more power (and therefore battery) to maintain a signal. This is mainly because there aren't enough 3G base stations that are near enough.
This will change when 3G is allowed to use the 900MHz frequencies (lucky O2 and Vodafone then) because the signal carries further so you need fewer base stations for good coverage compared to the 2100MHz 3G/UMTS signal.
Now a phone ought to switch from 3G to GSM automatically when the signal is weak. But it has to be very very weak for it to do so. But that's understandable because using a smart phone over GSM's GPRS speeds can be painfully slow.
So if you have marginal or weak 3G signals on your network where you use it most (not home because that will be using WiFi) then expect poor battery life. This is one reason why some people claim brilliant battery life and others poor battery life. And I'm referring to all 3G phones (Androids and iPhones included). So one iPhone could be great for battery and another poor at the same location due to them being on different mobile networks.
Sure Z will have something to add ;-)
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I lost my Sony Ericsson K800i over the Xmas hols.
As it did everything I wanted & had a damn good camera I sourced and unlocked another k800i. Whether it's different software or a new SIM I don't know but the replacement is much more forward in offering 3G connectivity.
I've turned 3G off as, like permanent bluetooth, it reduces the battery life from 7 days to 2.5.
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WiFi and Bluetooth are turned off on mine, makes a hell of a difference. I turn them on when I need them - simple.
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Wifi is turned "on" on mine, If I turn off wifi it reverts to 3G which uses more battery power.
Bluetooth off. I barely use it now.
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No 3G up here in the sticks so no problem.
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Call quality on 3g is dreadful. I've tried every network except vodafone and every single phone I've had breaks up constantly on calls. The old 2g ones never did anywhere near as much. Orange always has a noticeable ticking noise whenever I use their network wherever I am, even on 2g. T-mobile was the worst though. Any call over 10 minutes would break up even if you had full signal! Their EHCR system also meant that on hold music would wow and flutter as it seemed to increase and decrease the gain or do something weird. Doesn't happen to other people though. I can only think that the base stations around Stoke are totally defective in some way.
I want a phone that can make a call without breaking up and that has good battery life and mobile browsing/email etc. The iphone is useless as the battery life is poor and so is the camera. I detest touch screens too. My current nokia has been an appalling piece of unreliable garbage. I don't think anyone makes a decent phone any more. I haven't had a single one I've been happy with since the nokia 6310i! The battery life is just about ok as I generally get 3 days. Would prefer 4 or 5 with the same usage. BT and wifi are off.
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...I want a phone that can make a call without breaking up and that has good battery life and mobile browsing/email etc...
I reckon that is asking too much of the currently available technology.
Which is why I have two devices to do this job.
A simple, chocolate bar phone, and a netbook.
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>> A simple, chocolate bar phone, and a netbook.
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Me too, the best of both, a phone to talk to people with, and a netbook for simple computer stuff.
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>> Which is why I have two devices to do this job.
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>> A simple, chocolate bar phone, and a netbook.
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Me too. I don't need mobile net/mail unless I'm away from home for a day or two.
The phone will do basic internet like checking the footie scores or train times but nothing more complicated. Only'app' I miss is the one that will tell me the nearest available Boris Bike before the train gets to Euston!!
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>> is poor and so is the camera.
Clearly looking at the wrong Iphone then.
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The iphone4 is much better than the 3gs but many other smart phones have much better cameras and are a heck of a lot cheaper.
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>> The iphone4 is much better than the 3gs but many other smart phones have much
>> better cameras and are a heck of a lot cheaper.
Few have Video as good as the Iphone.
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Review I read in techrader didn't rate the video on the iphone4 as being much cop.... The samsung, nokia and Sony Ericsson phones seem to do it better but they don't have the better UI of the iphone.
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Well all the ones I read said it was pretty good. HD too.
And guess what, the video on mine is excelent. HD too.
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>> The iphone4 is much better than the 3gs but many other smart phones have much
>> better cameras and are a heck of a lot cheaper.
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As I have said before, Apple take out of date technology, repackage it, and market it VERY well.
Every Iphone has been at least one generation behind the opposition in most aspects.
for example Iphone 4 has a secondary camera, with the possibility of video calls.
My Nokia 5800 has both, and was launched about 2 years earlier.
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My Nokia N70 had both rear (photo) and front (i.e. video) cameras. I had that in 2005. Now did I know anyone with a 3G phone that wanted to try video conferencing - ah that would be no.
At least on the iPhone 4 and iPod Touch you can talk to people with the FaceTime app on a Mac too.
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>> At least on the iPhone 4 and iPod Touch you can talk to people with
>> the FaceTime app on a Mac too.
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If I remember correctly, only if you have a wifi connection though, can't be done by 3g....
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But have you tried a video call over 3G - the quality when I've tried it is very very poor most of the time ;-)
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>> But have you tried a video call over 3G - the quality when I've tried
>> it is very very poor most of the time ;-)
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Ill be honest...no
I don't really see the point in it, most people I talk to know what I look like, and those that don't, I often rather they didn't!
Not only that, but how can you say your at work, when the background looks more like a pub or a bedroom?
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>> how can you say your at work, when the background looks more like a pub or a bedroom?
The single biggest reason why video mobile calling didn't take off.
I've been on Three for several years now, had phones both with and without video call capability. The only other person I've ever known with one was my first ex-mrs, and I certainly didn't want to look at it on the few occasions I had to speak to it.
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>> But is it cool....
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This iPhone with its "bumper" is:
i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01816/iphone_1816078c.jpg
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>> Our place was all blackberries for ages, now i'd say it's 50/50 with iPhones.
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>> Pulled some stats a wee while back. Random info that might help you sleep tonight...
>> :-)
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>> iPhone users send less email but, they receive more email.
>> iPhone users make more phone calls.
>> iPhone users make way more use of corporate websites / webapps.
they receive more mail than then send, because people keep sending the same e-mail, while the Iphone user is trying to get a signal.....
It may seem like they make more calls... but its only one conversation - line keeps dropping.
Have you seem some of the apps? waste of space many of them!
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I have a "company" iPhone, which is on Vodafone (no choice) and my personal phone, which was free at some point, is a Nokia 2600 on Virgin.
Mostly, if I am out and about as opposed to sitting in my office, the Virgin phone gets a signal and the iPhone doesn't, so for actually making calls, the baby Nokia wins every time.
In addition, people I talk to often know which phone I'm on, as the iPhone apparently sounds awful to them - all echoey and distant.
It's great for apps, satnav, email, etc, but as a phone - no, I'll stick with the tiny Nokia that needs a charge once a week and works everywhere thanks.
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I have tried a few different makes of phone over the years but always return to Nokia, as long as it is triband they just work anywhere that I go. I have a 3720 at the moment, it will probably outlast me.
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I'm still using my 5 year old Motorola RAZR V3. The first one failed big style after a month (short in the output stage caused the case to become virtually red hot). The replacement is still going and is still on the original battery.
Had a Blackberry with a job a couple of years back but was glad to give it back as I found the microscopic QWERTY keyboard unusable and wasn't impressed with the battery life.
I recently flirted with a Nokia 6300 as the battery on the V3 has become a bit unpredictable but I just didn't like it - I've periodically tried Nokias over the years but just don't on with them. So I'll get a new battery for the V3 on eBay and soldier on. The iPhone 5 is supposed to be out middle of this year so I'll probably give that a go.
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>> I'm still using my 5 year old Motorola RAZR V3.
I'm still using my 5 yr old Nokia N70. Have a new battery for it somewhere when the current one dies.
As much as I want an iPhone, I loathe not only paying for a phone, because previously when I've upgraded I got the phone for free, but also a big jump in monthly line rental too. Currently paying £20 a month on O2's simplicity for 600 mins and 1000 txts.
Trouble is, Apple know how popular their iPhone is, and that reflects on them not 'giving' you the phone free as part of the phone contract you sign up for.
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"Have a new battery for it somewhere.."
Makes you wonder what will happen to all the iPhones when theirs begin to deteriorate?
As for coolness, see iBores in Private Eye...
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>> "Have a new battery for it somewhere.."
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>> Makes you wonder what will happen to all the iPhones when theirs begin to deteriorate?
You send it off with a cheque for 39.95 and it comes back three days later with a new battery.
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I swapped the battery in my wife's old iPod Nano 1G myself. Kit and battery cost about 5 Euros in EBay. The interesting thing about the kit was it contained something called a spudger which is basically a nylon screwdriver. Whilst I was displeased about the battery dying at least it gave me the opportunity to learn the verb "to spudge".
I guess I wouldn't be able to spudge the glass and metal bits on an iPhone apart though.
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Here you go, the ultimate posers phone. Just what all you phone flashers need.
tinyurl.com/63ldxo5
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>> Here you go, the ultimate posers phone. Just what all you phone flashers need.
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beat you to it!
www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=107658&v=e
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How do you know if someone's got an iPhone?
They tell you. :)
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>> How do you know if someone's got an iPhone?
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>> They tell you. :)
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or their Toyota crashes
www.reghardware.com/2011/02/01/toyota_ios_car_hifi_crash_warning/
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Gosh what a lot of replies. I hadn't realised phones were quite so fascinating. I hate mobile phones actually. I hate email too. My life is ruled by both of these technologies and far from making things easier and more efficient they both create more and very often unnecessary work and problems. When I'm the Grand Dictator I shall ban them.
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>>When I'm the Grand Dictator I shall ban them
of Egypt......
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>> www.reghardware.com/2011/02/01/toyota_ios_car_hifi_crash_warning/
Following the link on that page to the Reg Hardware awards of the year, the iPhone 4 wins 'work product of the year', while the HTC Desire wins 'commuter product of the year'.
www.reghardware.com/2011/01/25/reg_hardware_awards_2010_winners/
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>> Here you go, the ultimate posers phone.
And here's the hands free kit to go with it.
tinyurl.com/6k9weda
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>> As much as I want an iPhone,
I finally gave in. Tesco appeared to have the best deal. £299 for the phone (Iphone4 32GB) and £40 a month on a 12 month contract. Everyone else seems to be doing 18 or 24 month contracts. At the end of the 12 months I'll resort back to a SIM only contract again.
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Soooo.... that's £780 over a year for a phone. And people here were making a point about the amount others spend on Sky/Virgin, which must be better value??!!??
I was looking at phones the other day and there was a SIM only deal with unlimited texts, minutes and internet (I think) on a monthly contract for £45 a month.
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>> Soooo.... that's £780 over a year for a phone.
Not quite, I'm already paying £20 a month for my Simplicity tariff, so it actually works out at £539 over a year.
Also, as I've not had a new phone for 5 years, I thought it was about time I upgraded.
However....
I never thought it would happen - but I've become a technophobe. For the life of me I cannot download iTunes to my PC. I goto the download page, get asked whether I want to run or save the download, and informed that it's a 78MB sized file. But when I download it all I get is a 327KB file. It's getting late now. Will try and download it to the laptop instead later today. Probably best to ask this in Comp related - if you've got any ideas where I'm going wrong, please reply there.
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>> >> As much as I want an iPhone,
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>> I finally gave in.
Well bang goes the neighbourhood then PU, and from Tescos as well.
Now its lost its cool status I wonder what I can get next.
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>> Hmmmoh !
Is that something the welsh say when they've just had the use of a sheep ?
:-)
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Sure, no problem, I understand how exciting some people find their tech...
:-)
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Good definition submitted for the Uxbridge English Dictionary on 'Clue' last night -
eyeliner n. a big ship made by Apple
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Rather like iRon.
Though iRony would not work I feel ...
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Do people grow out of being a phone fashion victim? Or is it a badge snob thing?
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There are those of us with taste, and English matelots hiding in jockland.
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And there are those with dubious taste. Mitsubishi, at least no one could accuse you of being a badge snob. :-)
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>> And there are those with dubious taste. Mitsubishi, at least no one could accuse you
>> of being a badge snob. :-)
Its a much prettier badge. Red too.
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New phone - What's the wisdom? - Zero
