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Thread Author: Alanovich	Replies: 44

New Wed 19 Jan 11 13:04   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

The house buying thread just got my grey matter slowly churning regarding a flat roof I have. It's only on the garage and porch, and I had it replaced with new felt and all the works last summer. But it started leaking through the porch in heavy rain again this week. It probably just wants some gunk clearing out of the drains or something (if not, then the roofer's getting a rocket and he'll be fixing it again for free), but still. It's a blooming awful arrangement. So I was thinking that I could get a roofer to put on a pitched roof to match the main house to be done with the nonsense once and for all. Would this require planning permission? Last edited by: Alanović on Wed 19 Jan 11 at 13:08 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 13:18   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - RichardW

Possibly not.... a lot more is allowable under the new permitted development rules, but they are a bit complex! Best to check with your local planning office. You will need building regs approval though I'm sure. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 13:43   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Clk Sec

>>a lot more is allowable under the new permitted development rules, Not when work is required at the front of a property. Planning permission will be necessary. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 13:46   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

Yup, call to the planning office. Anyone else down your road done it? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 13:51   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

Nope. But some houses have converted their garage in to rooms. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 13:52   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Bellboy

of course you could just do it and wait for retrospective Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:00   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

Or Mrs Busy body over the road shops you to the council, and they order you to pull it down at your own expense. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:08   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Clk Sec

Yes. Definitely not a good idea. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:11   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

Sadly the delightful old lady opposite me passed away last week. I wonder what's going to happen to her incredibly low mileage, showroom condition, FSH, owned from brabd new, 04 reg Renault Clio now? Nice wee car for a youngster that'll be. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:21   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

offer them 1500 quid. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:29   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

Except I don't want/need it. I wish to heavens I knew a youngster after a set of wheels at the moment. Shame my niece is about to turn 16 and not 17. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:33   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Bellboy

youve bought it done and you have bin you know the airbag lights on of course and the abs light and look at that rear bumper......... Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 20:45   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - MD

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New Wed 11 May 11 11:28   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

The late old lady's house opposite me has (I think) now been sold by her heirs (judging by "For Sale" signs going up and then coming down within a week, although perhaps they've just changed their minds), and there were some work men in the garage yesterday fiddling with something or other. At which point I noticed the Clio is still there. I noted it's reg number and looked up its precise spec, as I thought I might have a buyer for it - my sister needs a second car and wants something to teach her daughter to drive in next year. Turns out it's a 2004 1.4 16v Expression, auto. Insurance group? 11!!! A non starter for us then on grounds of automatic transmission and insurance premiums for a teenager, but I expect the lady's heirs just don't know how to or can't be bothered to sell the car. It'd be an absolute peach for someone, what a shame. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:05   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

Hang on a minute. Parkers says Group 11 - confused.com and autotrader say Group 5. Quite a difference. Who is right? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:22   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Focusless

>> Hang on a minute. Parkers says Group 11 - confused.com and autotrader say Group 5. >> Quite a difference. Who is right? Is it 11/50 and 5/20? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:36   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

>> Is it 11/50 and 5/20? >> I have no idea what you're asking here. Parkers simply states "Group 11", the other two sources "Group 5". No slashes or further numbers. What does 11/50 and 5/20 signify? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:38   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

There used to be 20 groups, so it would have been a group 5 under the old scheme. It was changed to 50 groups, so would be 11 under the new scheme. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:41   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

Crumbs. I missed a massive meeting then. I still haven't seen any car quoted as any group over 20. Had no idea there were groups 20-50. If this is the case, then perhaps that Clio would be insurable for a teenage learner, but I keep forgetting it's still an auto. Would it be a good idea to have practice sessions in an auto alongside professional lessons in a manual? First instinct would say no, which would rule the old lady's Clio out for my niece anyway. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 14:11   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

Its pretty heavy on the road tax, and quite thirsty on petrol, my mum has one. I wouldn't mix auto with manual for a learner. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:39   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Iffy

...What does 11/50 and 5/20 signify?... I'm a bit vague on this, but insurance groups now run up to 50, but you will also see some quoting of the old groups which ran up to 20. Can be confusing. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:52   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Focusless

>> What does 11/50 and 5/20 signify? sorry, should have been clearer Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:31   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Bellboy

chuck some yoghurt on it and say its been there 11 years does the person over the road really care if its done neatly? no Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:34   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Alanovich

Bellboy, as usual, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about! :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:52   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Clk Sec

I'm not the only one, then! :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 14:59   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

yogurt promotes quick moss and lichen growth. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 15:03   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - CGNorwich

>> yogurt promotes quick moss and lichen growth. Wish you'd told me earlier - had a tub with my lunch. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 20 Jan 11 10:00   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Cliff Pope

Sour milk and cow dung stirred into limewash paint comes up nicely. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 20:46   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - MD

Why put yoghurt on a Clio?? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 20:44   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - MD

They will only act on something they would have refused anyway. Unlikely you won't get PP, but who wants the cost of PP for something they would pass on a nod. Ask the Planning Orifice on a no names no pack drill basis. If you go for it don't apply for Building Reg's. Do it on a Building Reg' notice. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 15:23   Replacing a flat roof - planning permission? - Old Navy

I had a similar job done a couple of houses back, long before the rule change, Definitely needed permission then. Worth checking with the council. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 15:23   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - FocalPoint

I have always found my local council's planning department easy to talk to. If I were you I'd go down to their office (preferably) or phone and simply say I'd like to discuss a matter that may or may not have planning implications. Then put your cards on the table. It may well be that your question can be answered on the spot. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 15:27   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Zero

Take some photos with you. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 16:59   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - BiggerBadderDave

"Take some photos with you." I have a photo of the snowman I made before Christmas. Would they like to see this? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 17:01   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Iffy

...I have a photo of the snowman I made before Christmas. Would they like to see this?... No, but I know a man in a blue pointy hat who might be interested in your porn and cocaine. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 17:07   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - BiggerBadderDave

"No, but I know a man in a blue pointy hat" Gandalf? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 15:32   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Iffy

...It may well be that your question can be answered on the spot... I would take a picture of the street and a picture of my house with me. Asking for something modest and in keeping with the other properties improves your chance of a positive response. Bellboy was being flippant with his yoghurt comment, but if your design looks like it could have been there years, so much the better. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 19 Jan 11 20:47   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - MD

Erin doors has been here years. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:10   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Slidingpillar

I changed my garage roof from concrete asbestos to felted and 'needed' building regulations approval. Because I needed a steel beam (the concrete one was a bit iffy) I spent more on the fees and steelwork reports than I did on the materials to do the job. Labour was mostly me, with a bottle of malt for my brother being the only labour expense. Didn't need planning permission for that, I went and asked them. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 13:19   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Boxsterboy

>> I changed my garage roof from concrete asbestos to felted >> I do hope you got a licensed asbestos contractor to remove and take away the old roof! Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 18:47   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Slidingpillar

Nope! Would have cost me a fortune. Actually though I checked before I started and it was regarded as fairly benign at the time, perhaps 13 years ago. As the local council were quite prepared to accept the stuff at the recycling depot, I wore old clothes and dumped the clothes and gloves along with the panels. Probably naughty now, but legal(ish) at the time. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 20:14   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Cliff Pope

>>>> >> Probably naughty now, but legal(ish) at the time. >> Definitely naughty now. I demolished an old asbestos-roofed garage a few weeks ago. The sheets were swollen and water-logged, and had moss and ivy growing through them. They fell apart at the slightest touch. I asked the council where I should take it, and they said they won't touch asbestos anywhere, at any price. I was referred to a private disposal contractor. They said I could take the asbestos to their depot, but it would all have to be bagged and double-wrapped in polythene. The cost would be £20 per bag or £50 a sheet. Total disposal cost would have been about £1000. Needless to say I decided to make other arrangements, ie bury it. I suppose I could hide one small heavily wrapped parcel in the black bag each week, and in 10 years time it will all be gone. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 11 May 11 21:44   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - bathtub tom

I had an old concrete sectional garage with a concrete/asbestos roof I wanted to get rid of about five years ago. I advertised it as free to whoever dismantled and removed it. There was no shortage of folk wanting it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 12 May 11 10:42   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - Leif

>> Needless to say I decided to make other arrangements, ie bury it. I suppose I >> could hide one small heavily wrapped parcel in the black bag each week, and in >> 10 years time it will all be gone. You could, but you need to think about why there are regulations. Asbestos can be pretty nasty stuff, and do you want to possibly expose someone to the fibres? Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 12 May 11 10:45   Replacing a flat roof - planning premission? - nyx2k

my local tip will take double bagged asbestos at anytime Reply to this message | Report message