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Hugh`s Fish Fight! - anybody watch it tonight? - Discards Grrrr!
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Was it a right battering?
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The discards programme was an extraordinary piece of work. I thought that the salmon and tuna programmes raised valid issues but reduced the overall impact by broadening the front. Even so, the final set piece in Westminster was a stirring sight.
As for mackerel, we had it for tea last night - but from a chip shop? I'll stick to haddock, thanks.
It's encouraging to see that politicians in Westminster and Brussels recognize discards as a problem, so let's hope we can end that without losing sight of the need to conserve stocks. The other aspects will require a change in the behaviour of consumers, and not just hardcore Fearnley-Wearnleyites like me. That, as we saw with the chickens, may take a little longer.
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The previous campaign re US childrens school meals may have have made some further impact.
edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/13/school.nutrition/
So lets hope the Fish Fight does work.
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...that, as we saw with the chickens...
Will,
As you seem to keep up with these things, has the chicken campaign had a lasting effect?
I once bought a cheap supermarket chicken and it was truly disgusting, it didn't look right, smell right, cook right or taste right.
If I can't afford a decent chicken, I'd rather eat beans.
The chickens from Marks and Spencer were pretty good, although I've not had one for a while.
Not all that expensive when there was an offer on.
Last edited by: Iffy on Fri 14 Jan 11 at 09:13
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Didn't see the fish programme but saw HFW on the One show last night.
SWMBO were literally eating cod and chips from the local chippie....
Having said that I love all fish and seafood , smoked mackerel with horseradish is a particular favourite, herring in the form of Craster Kippers or haddock as an ingredient in our local speciality Sussex Smokie .....
www.gourmetbritain.com/recipes_entry.php?item=138
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Or you could try this fish fight instead - always makes me laugh
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
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>> in our local speciality Sussex Smokie .....
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Two words:
Springs
Edburton
:-)
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I love the idea of battered mackerel. (Had mackerel for supper last night, it's one of my favourite fish.) Try going to Spain and ordering a plate of battered mixed fish; there will be everything in there, sardines, herrings, chunks of unidentifiable white fish etc.
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Mappy you are correct. I usually just ask for the catch of the day and am rarely disappointed
Nothing beats fresh fish and I have had memorable meals in tiny seaside cafes and restaurants in countries worldwide....
I am returning to the villa in Crete this year and already planning my meals out at the harbour taverna in Kissamos and the beach at Sfinari.
How about this restaurant spotted by a friend...... not tried it personally.
tinyurl.com/6388j7d
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Just the typical opionated rubbish from Hugh Fearnley-Fuquit.
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What's wrong with having an opinion, Chris? In this case, it was one that HFW went to considerable trouble to form and substantiate.
On the chickens, Iffy, I'm not sure I'm best placed to comment since I seldom visit supermarkets (that's what home deliveries are for) and hardly ever buy their meat. When I do go, my impression is that my local Tesco still has a fair amount of 'value' and basic blue-tray chicken on show. As long as they keep offering it, those who shop on price alone will keep buying it, which suggests that that campaign still has some ground to cover.
Here's another thing we can load onto our hard-pressed education system. If more people understood that an £11 FR chicken will make three tasty meals for four people, it wouldn't seem so expensive. My school didn't teach me this - I've found it out for myself with the help of writers like Slater and HFW - but wouldn't it be great if everyone knew this stuff?
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>> What's wrong with having an opinion, Chris?
Do you honestly think TV companies or presenters are concerned about the environment? They just latch on to what they think are popular issues and use them to try and boost ratings.
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ChrisS>> Just the typical opionated rubbish from Hugh Fearnley-Fuquit.
Whilst I haven't seen the programme (or indeed ever seen HFW in action on any television programme) what exactly do you think is a good idea about destroying ecosystems (and tomorrow's profit) in search of today's? Why do you think it is a good idea that 50% (I'll assume he's right on this point) of all fish caught is chucked?
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>> Why do you think it is a good idea
>> that 50% (I'll assume he's right on this point) of all fish caught is chucked?
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I really can't understand that rule..
If is meant to control the fish stocks, how can it work when the fish put back are all dead?
Surely the control should be on sales of the fish caught, landed, and sold.
ie when the level is reached, the boats are not allowed out to fish again.
After all, a dead fish is dead, whether its on a plate, or in the sea.
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"Surely the control should be on sales of the fish caught, landed, and sold"
I think this is the problem. Don't quote me on this (I'm sure there are good sources on Tinternet) but very simply, each country is allocated a certain catch of each fish type. This then has eventually to be split between various fishing boats.
If, say, you, as a boat/fleet captain/owner, are allocated 1000 tons of halibut per year that is all you can land and market. If, while fishing for your halibut, you catch a load of cod, you cannot land them or sell them. By the time they have been caught, hauled in and sorted, most will be dead but still have to be chucked back in the sea. Otherwise a heavy fine results. Gone are the days when I would go down to the harbour to watch the catch coming in and being sorted, graded and then sold at auction.
In addition, if your allocation is 100 tons of halibut, when you have caught those you have to stop fishing. What if the profit on 1000 tons is not enough to run the boat, pay the crew etc? Boat laid up, crew unemployed etc. What if, in the name of conservation of stocks (and I am not saying that is not necessary in some cases) that fishing for (say) cod is banned in the North Sea and you are based in Scarborough or Whitby or Grimsby and your boat only has a range of 100 or 200 miles or is only suitable for inshore fishing? Can't exactly nip off to North Atlantic and catch a few cod. Result, many small drifters and trawlers laid up and scrapped.
I stress that this is only a layman's view - I would welcome more informed views.
Phil
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>> "Surely the control should be on sales of the fish caught, landed, and sold"
>> I think this is the problem. Don't quote me on this (I'm sure there are
>> good sources on Tinternet) but very simply, each country is allocated a certain catch of
>> each fish type. This then has eventually to be split between various fishing boats.
Understood.
But it really is a stupid law.
A dead fish is a dead fish. End of.
A sea full of dead fish does not help the fish stocks.
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"But it really is a stupid law
A sea full of dead fish does not help the fish stocks."
Exactly - and why you should sign up on fishfight.net !!!!
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I think your description of how it works PhilW is basically correct although landing a 1000 tons of halibut would make you a very very wealthy fisherman indeed!
Whilst on the face of it then legislation forcing fishing boats to throw away any catch for which they do not have a quotas seems quite mad I believe the reasoning behind it is quite simple. If fishing boats were allowed to land and sell the "by" catch you would very rapidly find that they were catching very large amounts of endangered species and claiming that the catch was accidental. Being allowed to sell them would mean an effective free for all.
Unfortunately fishermen of all nationalities have proved their own worst enemies when it comes to conservation and the current system, although very flawed is at least an attempt to reign in their worst excesses.
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"Just the typical opionated rubbish from Hugh Fearnley-Fuquit. "
Not in this case - absolutely disgraceful that so much good edible fish is wasted.
I grew up in Scarborough, used to have a big fishing fleet of drifters, trawlers and cobles and lots of my friends were sons/daughters of fishermen. The Scottish herring fleet used to follow the herring South and fill the harbour and bay. Nowadays? A couple of fishing boats seem to be all that remains.
Also that TV series on "Trawlermen" a few years ago showed how brave these guys are but how they struggle to make a decent living these days. One thing I'm sure of - I couldn't do their job, but I love what they bring ashore.
Join the fight
www.fishfight.net/
Phil
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>> of my favourite fish.) Try going to Spain and ordering a plate of battered mixed
>> fish; there will be everything in there, sardines, herrings, chunks of unidentifiable white fish etc.
Indeed, some of it is not even fish.
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The "Two for a Fiver" chicken thing i can understand, and chavs with thier six kids on benefits just cant go out and buy a couple of £11 chickens, and still have enough for a "slab" of Lager! - as long as thier are poor people, there will always be a market for poor chicken!
Fish discards though, as shown when HFW went out on the trawlers, is an absolute disgrace! fine prime Cod, Haddock, Hake etc, all chucked back dead-wasted!!! in fact it`s downright criminal! - it`s caught, it`s dead, it should be used.
Even the Skippers would prefer to have thier days at sea cut and land everything, than have these ridiculas quota systems as they do now, and chuck good food away.
Discards Grrr!
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Stereotyping poor people, Grrrrrrrr.
Pat
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Stereotyping poor people, Grrrrrrrr.
Hey! i`m one of them! - not a chav with six kids, but a poor person who needs 2for a fiver chickens! so I can have my beer as well!
Us poor people have been "stereotyped" by society for years so I haven`t done anything new! '-)
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I know Devonite, but this lot on here don't need any help from people like us:)
I can remember having bread and hot milk in a bowl, I can remember having bread and dripping, but I can never remember going hungry!
Pat
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>> I can remember having bread and hot milk in a bowl, I can remember having
>> bread and dripping, but I can never remember going hungry!
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You should look at "People of the Abyss" by Jack London. Out of copyright so free copies on the net.
Written in 1905, so only just over 100 years, and boy, what it was to be poor in those days. We've come one heck of a long way since then, even if we're not there yet.
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I love bread and dripping, Pat. What exactly are you trying to say?
Oh yes, and cheaper than bread and hot milk is oats and hot milk. I love that too.
Last edited by: Mapmaker on Fri 14 Jan 11 at 16:26
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So do I, Mapmaker, specially when it's got jeyy in the bottom of it.
I suppose I was given bread instead of oats because it used to be so cheap.
I used to ask for a doorstep - a crust cut of the side of the loaf with butter on it.
But the best meal I remember when I was very little was Sunday evening supper. My Dad would get his penknife out and we'd share a 'Thumb-bit'
New bread, cold Sunday beef joint, and raw onion all cut with the penknife.
Pat
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I once had Sunday lunch at the home of a tolerably well-off farming family.
The male head of the household carved the beef and then propped the joint up with the carving fork.
This, I was told, was to get the dripping for his bread and dripping at teatime.
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Fish Fight!! - VxFan
