This may be why really ill people can't be given life saving medical care as the money is being spent on fools like this!
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Wonderful. So he hasn't worked in over 20 years after being fired by Royal Mail for nicking money out of letters and cards - to buy food....
I can never decide with people like this whether there is actually something the matter with them, other than incorrigible gluttony.
And somehow all this is the NHS' fault? The NHS that has already spent heaven knows what on trying to stop this moron eating himself to death?
Who is putting him up to this?
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>> Who is putting him up to this?
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The League of Fatties, perhaps?
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Whatever happened to taking responsibility for yourself?
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>> Whatever happened to taking responsibility for yourself?
His defence to the challenge that it was self inflicted will be that he had/has an addiction, which is an involuntary illness and the root cause.
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Probably a firm of shysters on 25% of what they can get for him!
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I doubt that he'll get very far with this.
I hope that he will be liable for his own expenses.
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I can prevent him from eating - if he really wants not to eat.
100% guarranteed.
He#'ll sue me for it as he will have to work...
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Should have been left to die.
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I find it interesting that no one has a problem with gratuitously offensive abuse of a fat person.
Yet if I am not even critical, just questioning, of a homosexual one, what happens?
There's howls of derision heaped down upon me, posts downgraded, deleted, etc, etc.
If someone was dying of aids, and I posted about 'taking responsibility' and 'leaving him to die', I know the squealing would reach fever pitch.
I think there are parallels between an obese person and a homosexual one.
And after all, this fat bloke might be gay.
Then what would you all say?
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>> I find it interesting that no one has a problem with gratuitously offensive abuse of
>> a fat person.
Where exactly is this "gratuitously offensive abuse"?
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...Where exactly is this "gratuitously offensive abuse"?...
Well, 'should have been left to die' is hardly a compliment, but I don't want to single out one post.
All of the posts so far would be offensive to a fat person.
Anyway FT, I think you know precisely what I mean.
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>> ...Where exactly is this "gratuitously offensive abuse"?...
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>> Well, 'should have been left to die' is hardly a compliment, but I don't want
>> to single out one post.
It's not ant-i fat-person in itself, though, is it.
>> All of the posts so far would be offensive to a fat person.
They are aimed at this particular person, though.
>> Anyway FT, I think you know precisely what I mean.
I didn'/don't, hence my asking, of course.
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...It's not ant-i fat-person in itself, though, is it...
That's a genuinely hard one to answer.
I think it does demonstrate a general anti-fat person bias.
My opinion is possibly influenced by other posts - not necessarily by these posters - I've read on C4P in the past.
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Iffy, I feel one doeth protest just a way bit too much.
Time to come out of the closet perhaps?
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...Iffy, I feel one doeth protest just a way bit too much...
That's the difference, Zero, I am not protesting at all.
I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the posters in this thread so far.
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"I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the posters in this thread so far."
I'm slim. I'm not suing the NHS. I am not grossly overweight.
So why does that make me a hypocrite....?
Definition of HYPOCRITE
1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
Pedant I may be, hypocrite I am not..
Defend the indefensible by all means. Don't criticise me for faults I do not possess. (I have lots that are worthy of criticism)
:-)
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>> And after all, this fat bloke might be gay.
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>> Then what would you all say?
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Interesting one, that, Iffy. The simple answer would be that sexual orientation isn't a matter of choice, whereas eating yourself nearly to death must be said to have an element of volition about it.
This fellow is destroying himself through his own lifestyle choices and is seeking to blame everyone but himself for the predicament into which he has got himself. What exercises me about it is that the NHS has already tried to rescue him from the consequences of his actions by giving him the highly expensive stapling op and yet (if the report is to be believed) he thinks they should have stopped him eating sooner - how? Send someone after him to dash the chocolate bar from his lips?
And meanwhile, the only people who will really derive any benefit from any of this will, once again, be the legal profession.
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...The simple answer would be that sexual orientation isn't a matter of choice, whereas eating yourself nearly to death must be said to have an element of volition about it...
I agree this guy's position is difficult to defend.
I've always found it fascinating how some groups of people who are different are seen as easy prey for picking on, yet other minority groups are fiercely defended.
And the bullies and the defenders are often the same people.
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>> ...The simple answer would be that sexual orientation isn't a matter of choice
Actually "doing it" is, though.
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...the simple answer would be that sexual orientation isn't a matter of choice...Actually "doing it" is, though...
And there is a 'nature versus nurture' argument in the background.
Is a manufactured child brought up by two homosexual males any more likely to grow into a homosexual man, than a manufactured child brought up by a heterosexual couple?
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>> And the bullies and the defenders are often the same people.
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Are you fat or obese, iffy?
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...Are you fat or obese, iffy?...
Look, don't you think my coming out of the closet as a poof is enough personal information for one day?*
Some people can be very demanding.
*Warning to the gullible: Not all statements on internet forums should be taken as fact.
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>> *Warning to the gullible: Not all statements on internet forums should be taken as fact.
Nice way to test the water Iffy. I am sure it will be a relief for you to get it all out in the open.
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>> I am sure it will be a relief for you to get it all out in the open.
That could be potentially one of several offences.
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Yes, hadn't thought of that/
Still don't suppose anyone will notice.
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>> I find it interesting that no one has a problem with gratuitously offensive abuse of
>> a fat person.
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>> Yet if I am not even critical, just questioning, of a homosexual one, what happens?
For those old enough to remember:
Not the Nine O'Clock News did a great spoof on this very subject:
A pardody of Gay rights, but all about the 'stout'.
Well worth trying to find a copy.
Some quotes:
"Oh, so you have to be FAT to be stout now, do you?"
"Squeeze out of the closet"
"I, er... have a friend who thinks he might be stout..." "Well, my advice to you... your friend is..."
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...A pardody of Gay rights, but all about the 'stout'...
Had to go half-way around the world to find someone who gets my drift.
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That fat git should be put on minimum wage! Put his food outside the house too so he'll have to get up if he wants it.
If he has got Prader Willis or whatever it is called then that's quite nasty but at the same time he's an adult so he can easily just learn to live with being hungry sometimes.
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"That fat git should be put on minimum wage!"
That's a bit harsh, I happen to like him even if he does drive a Focus Cabrio.
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To try and lighten this up a bit and relate to Nature or Nuture - Graffiti seen in a gent's toilet saying "My mother made me a homosexual" Reply underneath - "If I gave her the wool would she make me one too?"
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>> Graffiti seen in a gent's toilet
...over half a century ago, AFAIK.
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I think there are 2 different elements here, maybe even 3.
Yes, whether we like it or not, eating could possibly be seen as an addiction. As we know addicts in this country get all sorts of help, benefits etc.
If a drug addict went for help and the doctor told him stop taking drugs and you will be better, then I am sure he would not find that supportive. If an obese man goes and, allegedly, is told to get on your bike and exercise more, then that is also not supportive.
But to the other 2 elements, one is the fact that we have built and developed a support system in this country of defaulting to the state, it is never the individuals fault, it is always the state, the DSS, the benefits, the NHS etc.
And the other is the fact that we have encouraged so many lawyers, no blame no claim culture and accepted so many rulings from Brussels that when it comes down to it, often it is easier and cheaper to pay out than fight it through the courts. And the lawyers know that.
My own personal opinion is that no benefits of any kind should be paid out without a benefit going back into the community. Even if you are fat and obese, if your hands can pick up food, well they can also stuff envelopes for a community group or fold leaflets or whatever. And that can be replicated over any benefit almost.
Jobseekers allowance - do voluntary work for your money until you get a job
Disability - depending on the disability there are huge amounts of stuff that could be done.
And in the spirit of iffys confession, yes, according to the wii I am obese!!
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Don't worry Bobby, according to the Wii, so am I.
According to me, I'm just cuddly:)
Pat
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>> According to me, I'm just cuddly:)
My excuse is that I'm 6 foot too short.
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Bobby
Have you seen the film? this bloke was SO fat he couldnt move. So its not a matter of him stuffing another sandwich in his mouth, he physically could get up to go to the kitchen.
His helpers fed him.
In this case they should have been withdrawn and let the bloke starve to death, he has clearly shown he has value, morals or character needed in this or any other society.
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>>Have you seen the film?
Nope! Maybe I should for my own sake...!
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>> Nope! Maybe I should for my own sake...!
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You don't really need to, just look at the photo here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344930/Former-worlds-fattest-man-Paul-Mason-sue-NHS-weight-gain.html
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>You don't really need to, just look at the photo here:
OMG! That is gross!
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Opps I missed out couldn't and no!
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...And in the spirit of iffys confession, yes, according to the wii I am obese!!...
I thought I'd confessed to being an iron hoof.
Fat as well?
Heaven knows I'm miserable now. :)
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Anyone spouting Morrisey gets a bottle thrown at them
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...Anyone spouting Morrisey gets a bottle thrown at them...
You'll have Rattolo after you.
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its the manchester crowds wot chucks the bottles at him
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Yes - that is when/where I saw it!
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Well at least we can depend upon the morally upright solicitors to take from the legal aid system to properly represent this man.
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Hope he doesn't smoke as well then he'd really get some abuse. On the other hand he could sue the NHS for that as well.
Just off to pour another glass of wine - and if the NHS don't step in to stop me I might well sue them......need the wine to go with a nice little cigar. I could be in the money here.......
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Having watched the TV documentary about this man, to me it seems he still is very fragile, mentally.
He burst into tears several times during the filmed program, sometimes for little apparent reason. Mind you with TV's need for drama, even in so-called factual programs, I dare say there was heavy editing to produce the effect. There's nothing like prolonged, repeated close-ups of a person in distress to boost the ratings, is there?
Slightly off topic:-
I am profoundly cynical about the genuineness of very, very many "reality" programs.
Just as an isolated example: take the BBC daytime TV offering "Bargain Hunt".
The premise of this is the spending of the allocated cash in, wait for it - ONE hour.
Complete c******. (The Spanish word for testes)
Having stood at at least three Antiques Fairs where this program was filmed, I can tell you that a selection of purchases were pre-reserved from dealers, by the researchers; many of theses reserved goods are not used.
The filming takes the whole day, starting when dealers are setting up their displays until the stands are being cleared away in late afternoon.
Reality TV needs to be taken with a shovel full of salt (if you can find any after the snow) not just a pinch.
TV is basically a totally dishonest medium, with production values always taking precedent over facts.
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Most people lead sad lives: so they watch reality TV.
I lead a sad life: but don't watch reality TB or even TV. I keep bees instead:-)
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>> I keep bees instead:-)
Now I know what the "f" stands for after the "mad". ;-)
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